Why Do Palestinians Lie About Wanting Peace? And Two States?

[Hollie]

No land was transferred to the Jews for a Jewish state. Your so called national home was the right for Jews to obtain Palestinian citizenship.

Well, no. The land was given over (as you, yourself, has stated many times) to the inhabitants who, through following certain specific steps, grew into the right of self-governance and self-determination. Those people were -- quite specifically -- the Jewish people, who, by a pre-existing, historical claim, were granted the right by the authorities of the time to re-constitute their national homeland.

The flaw in your argument is in the mistaken assumption that the Jewish people are somehow excluded from having rights greater than "citizenship" when the documents of the time clearly state the political rights to a nation granted to the Jewish people.

What pre-existing historical claim did the European Zionists have? The native inhabitants would have a stronger claim than Europeans, don't you think? Because the native inhabitants converted to Christianity and Islam, does not change their status as the native inhabitants. The native americans that have converted to Christianity are no less "native" than before they converted.

Since when are invading / colonizing Turks followed later by Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese squatters / land grabbers a "native population"?

 

[montelatici]

There weren't any colonizing Turk, Egyptian, Syrian or Lebanese settlers. Only Jews.

 

[Hollie]

There weren't any colonizing Turk, Egyptian, Syrian or Lebanese settlers. Only Jews.

What a shame you're utterly in denial about the history of the area.

The invading / colonizing Turks followed later by the colonizing / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese certainly were a factor in the population of the geographic area called Pal'istan.

You're convinced the space aliens populated the area?

 

[montelatici]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

 

[Hollie]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

 

[montelatici]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

The invaders post Roman (Byzantine) rule, Persian, Arabian, Christian, Kurdish (Saladin), Mameluk and Turkish put in place new rulers, they did not change the make-up of the native inhabitants. Italy was invaded for centuries after the western Roman Empire fell. The people remained Italian.

 

[Hollie]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

The invaders post Roman (Byzantine) rule, Persian, Arabian, Christian, Kurdish (Saladin), Mameluk and Turkish put in place new rulers, they did not change the make-up of the native inhabitants. Italy was invaded for centuries after the western Roman Empire fell. The people remained Italian.

That was quite the islamo-tap dance. The invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese clearly did not "always live there". Thus, your islamo-tap dancing around your self-refuting claim is pointless.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

You believe that every time a new flag is raised over city hall the entire population moves out and a whole new population moves in.

That is not how the world works. The elites and other problem people are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited.

Settler colonialism, like Israel for example, is different. Their goal is to remove the locals and replace them with foreigners.

 

[montelatici]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

The invaders post Roman (Byzantine) rule, Persian, Arabian, Christian, Kurdish (Saladin), Mameluk and Turkish put in place new rulers, they did not change the make-up of the native inhabitants. Italy was invaded for centuries after the western Roman Empire fell. The people remained Italian.

That was quite the islamo-tap dance. The invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese clearly did not "always live there". Thus, your islamo-tap dancing around your self-refuting claim is pointless.

You keep making a fool of yourself demonstrating you haven't the vaguest notion of the historical context. But then you are Hollow Hollie. By the way, who did these mythical Turkish, Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese settlers grab the land from? There were no Jews to grab the land from. Who were these people that lost their land to these mythical settlers of yours?

 

[Hollie]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

The invaders post Roman (Byzantine) rule, Persian, Arabian, Christian, Kurdish (Saladin), Mameluk and Turkish put in place new rulers, they did not change the make-up of the native inhabitants. Italy was invaded for centuries after the western Roman Empire fell. The people remained Italian.

That was quite the islamo-tap dance. The invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese clearly did not "always live there". Thus, your islamo-tap dancing around your self-refuting claim is pointless.

You keep making a fool of yourself demonstrating you haven't the vaguest notion of the historical context. But then you are Hollow Hollie. By the way, who did these mythical Turkish, Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese settlers grab the land from? There were no Jews to grab the land from. Who were these people that lost their land to these mythical settlers of yours?

Your juvenile name-calling is a poor substitute for a valid argument. You're utterly befuddled when tasked with explaining how the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese have, by some magical means according to you, "always lived there". Have you considered that invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese are identified with geographic areas other than the geographic area of Pal'istan for a reason?

 

[Hollie]

The people that have always lived in the area populated the area, like almost everywhere else in the world. Why do you think the area is any different than Lebanon?

Your ignorance of history is the cause of your limitations. The geographic area of Pal'istan has been a region of various conquests to include the invading / colonizing Turks followed by the squatting / land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese.

How could those invaders have "always lived there" when they didn't "always live there"?

You believe that every time a new flag is raised over city hall the entire population moves out and a whole new population moves in.

That is not how the world works. The elites and other problem people are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited.

Settler colonialism, like Israel for example, is different. Their goal is to remove the locals and replace them with foreigners.

That's just more of your pointless conspiracy theories.

 

[montelatici]

Who did these mythical and grabbing Turks and later Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese grab the land from? You can't answer the question because there were no mythical settlers, Hollow Hollie.

 

[Hollie]

Who did these mythical and grabbing Turks and later Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese grab the land from? You can't answer the question because there were no mythical settlers, Hollow Hollie.

Already answered. You should try paying attention.

What a shame your best effort amounts to juvenile name-calling.

 

[montelatici]

You haven't answered squat Hollow Hollie. Who did your mythical settlers displace? There were no Jews to displace.

 

[Hollie]

You haven't answered squat Hollow Hollie. Who did your mythical settlers displace? There were no Jews to displace.

You're stuttering and mumbling again. Read back through the thread. This has been addressed along with your juvenile name-calling.

Because you're befuddled, raise your hand when you have questions.

 

[montelatici]

You just haven't answered the question, because you have no answer that supports the propaganda you spew, Hollow Hollie. The only one befuddled is you. LOL

 

[Hollie]

You just haven't answered the question, because you have no answer that supports the propaganda you spew, Hollow Hollie. The only one befuddled is you. LOL

Such an angry name-caller. Rather than work youself into another froth, why not read through the thread where your questions have been addressed.

On the other hand, you never did address how the people who you claim "have always lived there" could have "always lived there" when the invading / colonizing Turks followed later by the squatting/ land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese have clearly not "always lived there".

 

[Phoenall]

No land was transferred to the Jews for a Jewish state. Your so called national home was the right for Jews to obtain Palestinian citizenship.

Well, no. The land was given over (as you, yourself, has stated many times) to the inhabitants who, through following certain specific steps, grew into the right of self-governance and self-determination. Those people were -- quite specifically -- the Jewish people, who, by a pre-existing, historical claim, were granted the right by the authorities of the time to re-constitute their national homeland.

The flaw in your argument is in the mistaken assumption that the Jewish people are somehow excluded from having rights greater than "citizenship" when the documents of the time clearly state the political rights to a nation granted to the Jewish people.

What pre-existing historical claim did the European Zionists have? The native inhabitants would have a stronger claim than Europeans, don't you think? Because the native inhabitants converted to Christianity and Islam, does not change their status as the native inhabitants. The native americans that have converted to Christianity are no less "native" than before they converted.

The Treaty of Sevres, the Treaty of Lausanne and the mandate of Palestine all say that the Jews had a stake in the land. At the same time denying any rights of the arab muslims to have the land. You really need to start reading up on international law in the first half of the 20C

 

[Phoenall]

You just haven't answered the question, because you have no answer that supports the propaganda you spew, Hollow Hollie. The only one befuddled is you. LOL

Such an angry name-caller. Rather than work youself into another froth, why not read through the thread where your questions have been addressed.

On the other hand, you never did address how the people who you claim "have always lived there" could have "always lived there" when the invading / colonizing Turks followed later by the squatting/ land grabbing Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese have clearly not "always lived there".

He cant as he does not know how to take someone of ignore

 

[Phoenall]

Who did these mythical and grabbing Turks and later Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese grab the land from? You can't answer the question because there were no mythical settlers, Hollow Hollie.

The Jews and Christians that had lived there as slaves for so long