Why Do Liberal/Progressives Seek To Impose Their Views On Others?

[LoneLaugher]

We all do it... Liberals and Conservatives, and Centrists and Independents alike.

What distinguishes Liberals from the rest, I think, is their obnoxious insistence upon getting their own way by any means and at any cost.

And there are even exceptions in that category - there are, indeed, examples of such disingenuous and overbearing behaviors on the part of the others, as well.

It's just that Liberals / Progressives seem to do it sooooo much more frequently than the others, that Lib-Progs end-up 'eating' (suffering) the attaching of the stereotype to them, and end-up 'owning' it - fairly or unfairly - rightly or wrongly.

The most disgusting aspect of this, for me, is the seeming insistence of Lib-Progs that they pretend to know what is good for you, soooo much better than you do yourself.

It's the mindset which says that not only are there some things that the government does better than the individual, but that most things are better done by the government than by the individual - and that they know better than you, which things those are.

Not to mention their willingness-in-a-heartbeat to empty your wallet on behalf of The Beehive Collective, insofar as they can get away with it, by any means, fair or foul.

Most LIb-Progs probably start-out meaning well, and a great many in their ranks are young, and inexperienced, and naive and gullible, and are absolutely certain that they have all the answers...

These younglings have all the energy and fervor and zeal of the New Religious Convert, having found a Substitute God to worship, and a wide-ranging Congregation in which to reside, and they work very hard to advance their 'faith' and to zealously advocate for their 'substitute godhead'; 'missionary work' - secular style - for many younglings.

Lib-Prog ranks also include old-timers and minorities who oftentimes seem not to have done well in life, and who band-together and submit to The Beehive Collective, seeking safety in numbers, rather like a school fish.

Lib-Prog ranks also seem to include a few here and there who have done well in life, and who enjoy the White Man's Guilt or Rich Man's Duty to Humanity, and who lend some additional weight to an oftentimes otherwise lightweight collection of juicy rationalizations and erzatz justifications for their Beehive Collective Mindset.

Because a great many of them believe that they are the one-and-only answer, and that they, above all others, fight for justice and peace and the betterment of Mankind - they oftentimes and nearly unconsciously slip into a "The End Justifies the Means" framework in their dealings with others who do not think like them...

Lib-Progs - once they slip into End-Justifies-the-Means mode - then seem to slowly but surely slip into the role of the Socialist Revolutionary - most recently represented in the 20th by the Communists in various parts of the world.

Of course, we all know how that Grand Experiment turned out.

All the rest of us can do is to take the best of what they offer and incorporate that into a saner overall governance and society, while rejecting the more impractical or idiotic or touchy-feely crap they dream-up, and bitch-slap them back to Reality when they get lose control and become dangerous or - more frequently - just a genuine pain in the ass.

===============

"A man who is not a Liberal in his youth has no heart.

A man who is not a Conservative in his old age has no brains."

- Winston Churchill

( an apocryphal attribution )

I agree we all do it. I did it last night at work and still after all these years I still forget people are not as talented as me fixing a machine problem, are goals and wants are not all the same.

most liberals see work as just a paycheck and just look at the clock to when they get to go home

Most cons see their jobs as a passion and don't want to go home

The above just and example

This is awesome!! The disconnect from reality is just awesome.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We all do it... Liberals and Conservatives, and Centrists and Independents alike.

What distinguishes Liberals from the rest, I think, is their obnoxious insistence upon getting their own way by any means and at any cost.

And there are even exceptions in that category - there are, indeed, examples of such disingenuous and overbearing behaviors on the part of the others, as well.

It's just that Liberals / Progressives seem to do it sooooo much more frequently than the others, that Lib-Progs end-up 'eating' (suffering) the attaching of the stereotype to them, and end-up 'owning' it - fairly or unfairly - rightly or wrongly.

The most disgusting aspect of this, for me, is the seeming insistence of Lib-Progs that they pretend to know what is good for you, soooo much better than you do yourself.

It's the mindset which says that not only are there some things that the government does better than the individual, but that most things are better done by the government than by the individual - and that they know better than you, which things those are.

Not to mention their willingness-in-a-heartbeat to empty your wallet on behalf of The Beehive Collective, insofar as they can get away with it, by any means, fair or foul.

Most LIb-Progs probably start-out meaning well, and a great many in their ranks are young, and inexperienced, and naive and gullible, and are absolutely certain that they have all the answers...

These younglings have all the energy and fervor and zeal of the New Religious Convert, having found a Substitute God to worship, and a wide-ranging Congregation in which to reside, and they work very hard to advance their 'faith' and to zealously advocate for their 'substitute godhead'; 'missionary work' - secular style - for many younglings.

Lib-Prog ranks also include old-timers and minorities who oftentimes seem not to have done well in life, and who band-together and submit to The Beehive Collective, seeking safety in numbers, rather like a school fish.

Lib-Prog ranks also seem to include a few here and there who have done well in life, and who enjoy the White Man's Guilt or Rich Man's Duty to Humanity, and who lend some additional weight to an oftentimes otherwise lightweight collection of juicy rationalizations and erzatz justifications for their Beehive Collective Mindset.

Because a great many of them believe that they are the one-and-only answer, and that they, above all others, fight for justice and peace and the betterment of Mankind - they oftentimes and nearly unconsciously slip into a "The End Justifies the Means" framework in their dealings with others who do not think like them...

Lib-Progs - once they slip into End-Justifies-the-Means mode - then seem to slowly but surely slip into the role of the Socialist Revolutionary - most recently represented in the 20th by the Communists in various parts of the world.

Of course, we all know how that Grand Experiment turned out.

All the rest of us can do is to take the best of what they offer and incorporate that into a saner overall governance and society, while rejecting the more impractical or idiotic or touchy-feely crap they dream-up, and bitch-slap them back to Reality when they get lose control and become dangerous or - more frequently - just a genuine pain in the ass.

===============

"A man who is not a Liberal in his youth has no heart.

A man who is not a Conservative in his old age has no brains."

- Winston Churchill

( an apocryphal attribution )

I agree we all do it. I did it last night at work and still after all these years I still forget people are not as talented as me fixing a machine problem, are goals and wants are not all the same.

most liberals see work as just a paycheck and just look at the clock to when they get to go home

Most cons see their jobs as a passion and don't want to go home

The above just and example

This is awesome!! The disconnect from reality is just awesome.

You are a Weirdo troll,

I have seen it every day for the past 30 years

What you call work well you never met my type, I don't take lunch breaks and the company pays me to take a lunch break, they owe me at least 40 hours of no breaks

 

[jon_berzerk]

Deep down they are fascist and feel their views are the only views that is acceptable.

so if they can't sweet talk you into bowing to them.... they'll just berate you and beat you down.

the most intolerant people I have come across.

indeed

 

[Conservative65]

Is it fair that some low skilled worker that earns minimum wage his/her entire working career will get out of SS far more than they put in after just a few years while people like my dad who earned a high wage and now draws, unless he lives to a very old age, won't get out what he was forced to put in?

Why do you ASSume that those of us who would rather invest our own money as we see fit will have to be taken care of. I have invested wisely and as it stands now, SS will be a bonus. I'll be more than happy to take it whether I need it or not for the sole reason that I was forced to put into it. I will gladly do so whether someone else needs it more than me.

Not everyone is as smart or as successful as you. I met a woman yesterday living on $700 a month. If we didn't make her pay into ss shed have nothing.

The next generation isnt saving shit. They're going to need ss. Americans no longer make enough to save.

Americans no longer make enough to save..That's bullshit....The reason why certain people have no savings is because they spend unwisely. They want toys. They think they are entitled to cell phones, expensive entertainment equipment, pay tv....They think nothing of spending any extra dollars they may earn and blowing it on nonsense.
Did you happen to ask that woman you met why she is on;y making $700 per month? Or did you think to yourself "aww you poor thing. You're being cheated"...Listen, if an individual is earning $225 per week, they have some serious considering to do...Like, learning a trade. Or going to school( subsidized tuition is available at most community colleges) or taking a second job....she deserves help from the public but ONLY until she gets on her feet and for a LIMITED time only...Public assistance should never have been made into a permanent vacation nor should it have ever made poverty comfortable.

She's 65

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

 

[Conservative65]

Another lying Liberal piece of shit.

Do you support social welfare programs? Do you support Obamacare? Do you support the free community college tuition proposal by Obama? Do you support any big government program that gives the federal government authority to do things for which the Constitution gives no specific delegated authority?

I support all those things.

Of course you do....it's socialist central planning that wets your panties.

Right wing talking point says what?

You said you support all those things and all of them are socialist based programs. When what is said is true, it's no longer a talking point but a fact.

They called the new leader of Greece a Commy socialist. If taxing the rich is socialism then I'm a socialist.

If thinking that someone financially successful owes someone that isn't is socialism, you're a socialist. Interesting how you think someone else should do what you can't or won't voluntarily do without the government telling you. That's why socialism and socialists are worthless. It involves someone taking credit for something getting done although they don't do what actually gets done.

You hate the rich because you'll never be that way.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Same way you guys are chipping away at abortion.

I want to keep my hunting and home protection guns. I would like to ban assault weapons and automatic weapons and armor piercing ammo. Too many nuts in america.

Just like capitalism and religion dont mix I find it funny christians are such gun nuts.

I just found it interesting that you openly and explicitly stated that you want to keep your guns but want to ban other people from having theirs.

 

[LoneLaugher]

We all do it... Liberals and Conservatives, and Centrists and Independents alike.

What distinguishes Liberals from the rest, I think, is their obnoxious insistence upon getting their own way by any means and at any cost.

And there are even exceptions in that category - there are, indeed, examples of such disingenuous and overbearing behaviors on the part of the others, as well.

It's just that Liberals / Progressives seem to do it sooooo much more frequently than the others, that Lib-Progs end-up 'eating' (suffering) the attaching of the stereotype to them, and end-up 'owning' it - fairly or unfairly - rightly or wrongly.

The most disgusting aspect of this, for me, is the seeming insistence of Lib-Progs that they pretend to know what is good for you, soooo much better than you do yourself.

It's the mindset which says that not only are there some things that the government does better than the individual, but that most things are better done by the government than by the individual - and that they know better than you, which things those are.

Not to mention their willingness-in-a-heartbeat to empty your wallet on behalf of The Beehive Collective, insofar as they can get away with it, by any means, fair or foul.

Most LIb-Progs probably start-out meaning well, and a great many in their ranks are young, and inexperienced, and naive and gullible, and are absolutely certain that they have all the answers...

These younglings have all the energy and fervor and zeal of the New Religious Convert, having found a Substitute God to worship, and a wide-ranging Congregation in which to reside, and they work very hard to advance their 'faith' and to zealously advocate for their 'substitute godhead'; 'missionary work' - secular style - for many younglings.

Lib-Prog ranks also include old-timers and minorities who oftentimes seem not to have done well in life, and who band-together and submit to The Beehive Collective, seeking safety in numbers, rather like a school fish.

Lib-Prog ranks also seem to include a few here and there who have done well in life, and who enjoy the White Man's Guilt or Rich Man's Duty to Humanity, and who lend some additional weight to an oftentimes otherwise lightweight collection of juicy rationalizations and erzatz justifications for their Beehive Collective Mindset.

Because a great many of them believe that they are the one-and-only answer, and that they, above all others, fight for justice and peace and the betterment of Mankind - they oftentimes and nearly unconsciously slip into a "The End Justifies the Means" framework in their dealings with others who do not think like them...

Lib-Progs - once they slip into End-Justifies-the-Means mode - then seem to slowly but surely slip into the role of the Socialist Revolutionary - most recently represented in the 20th by the Communists in various parts of the world.

Of course, we all know how that Grand Experiment turned out.

All the rest of us can do is to take the best of what they offer and incorporate that into a saner overall governance and society, while rejecting the more impractical or idiotic or touchy-feely crap they dream-up, and bitch-slap them back to Reality when they get lose control and become dangerous or - more frequently - just a genuine pain in the ass.

===============

"A man who is not a Liberal in his youth has no heart.

A man who is not a Conservative in his old age has no brains."

- Winston Churchill

( an apocryphal attribution )

I agree we all do it. I did it last night at work and still after all these years I still forget people are not as talented as me fixing a machine problem, are goals and wants are not all the same.

most liberals see work as just a paycheck and just look at the clock to when they get to go home

Most cons see their jobs as a passion and don't want to go home

The above just and example

This is awesome!! The disconnect from reality is just awesome.

You are a Weirdo troll,

I have seen it every day for the past 30 years

What you call work well you never met my type, I don't take lunch breaks and the company pays me to take a lunch break, they owe me at least 40 hours of no breaks

You ain't seen shit. Work ethic isn't a conservative trait any more than it is a liberal trait. Stop masturbating and stop whining about not getting paid your due. Say something intelligent for a change.

 

[sealybobo]

Not everyone is as smart or as successful as you. I met a woman yesterday living on $700 a month. If we didn't make her pay into ss shed have nothing.

The next generation isnt saving shit. They're going to need ss. Americans no longer make enough to save.

Americans no longer make enough to save..That's bullshit....The reason why certain people have no savings is because they spend unwisely. They want toys. They think they are entitled to cell phones, expensive entertainment equipment, pay tv....They think nothing of spending any extra dollars they may earn and blowing it on nonsense.
Did you happen to ask that woman you met why she is on;y making $700 per month? Or did you think to yourself "aww you poor thing. You're being cheated"...Listen, if an individual is earning $225 per week, they have some serious considering to do...Like, learning a trade. Or going to school( subsidized tuition is available at most community colleges) or taking a second job....she deserves help from the public but ONLY until she gets on her feet and for a LIMITED time only...Public assistance should never have been made into a permanent vacation nor should it have ever made poverty comfortable.

She's 65

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

 

[sealybobo]

I support all those things.

Of course you do....it's socialist central planning that wets your panties.

Right wing talking point says what?

You said you support all those things and all of them are socialist based programs. When what is said is true, it's no longer a talking point but a fact.

They called the new leader of Greece a Commy socialist. If taxing the rich is socialism then I'm a socialist.

If thinking that someone financially successful owes someone that isn't is socialism, you're a socialist. Interesting how you think someone else should do what you can't or won't voluntarily do without the government telling you. That's why socialism and socialists are worthless. It involves someone taking credit for something getting done although they don't do what actually gets done.

You hate the rich because you'll never be that way.

No socialism is where everything is state run. America has a progressive tax system so you live in a socialist country. You also help pay for poor public schools so they aren't overly disadvantaged. God the GOP sucks. They claim to care about people but they really dont.

And listen you stupid cock sucker. Everyone who got rich did so in the old "socialist" america. You have no idea how this system helped get them to where they are. Now they want to change the rules to every man for himself? Fuck you!

 

[sealybobo]

Same way you guys are chipping away at abortion.

I want to keep my hunting and home protection guns. I would like to ban assault weapons and automatic weapons and armor piercing ammo. Too many nuts in america.

Just like capitalism and religion dont mix I find it funny christians are such gun nuts.

I just found it interesting that you openly and explicitly stated that you want to keep your guns but want to ban other people from having theirs.

No keep your guns. Just dont manufacture or sell anymore. Imagine how valuable your oozy would be then?

 

[Conservative65]

Americans no longer make enough to save..That's bullshit....The reason why certain people have no savings is because they spend unwisely. They want toys. They think they are entitled to cell phones, expensive entertainment equipment, pay tv....They think nothing of spending any extra dollars they may earn and blowing it on nonsense.
Did you happen to ask that woman you met why she is on;y making $700 per month? Or did you think to yourself "aww you poor thing. You're being cheated"...Listen, if an individual is earning $225 per week, they have some serious considering to do...Like, learning a trade. Or going to school( subsidized tuition is available at most community colleges) or taking a second job....she deserves help from the public but ONLY until she gets on her feet and for a LIMITED time only...Public assistance should never have been made into a permanent vacation nor should it have ever made poverty comfortable.

She's 65

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

She's 65

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

 

[sealybobo]

She's 65

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

A lot of tax payers in manufacturing lost their jobs in 2007 and had to get welfare and foodstamps.

Like I said your dad made a great life for himself in the old system. Now he wants to change the rules to make it harder for the next generation? Sorry you made so much money pops.

 

[sealybobo]

Irrelevant. If she's too old to work in your opinion, write her a check with your money. The rest of us owe her nothing.

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

Good! Lucky some people die at age 59.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

We had this argument 70 years ago and you lost. Get over it.

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

Good! Lucky some people die at age 59.

Yes, we want lots of that actually. Pay in but don't take a cut. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

 

[Conservative65]

Of course you do....it's socialist central planning that wets your panties.

Right wing talking point says what?

You said you support all those things and all of them are socialist based programs. When what is said is true, it's no longer a talking point but a fact.

They called the new leader of Greece a Commy socialist. If taxing the rich is socialism then I'm a socialist.

If thinking that someone financially successful owes someone that isn't is socialism, you're a socialist. Interesting how you think someone else should do what you can't or won't voluntarily do without the government telling you. That's why socialism and socialists are worthless. It involves someone taking credit for something getting done although they don't do what actually gets done.

You hate the rich because you'll never be that way.

No socialism is where everything is state run. America has a progressive tax system so you live in a socialist country. You also help pay for poor public schools so they aren't overly disadvantaged. God the GOP sucks. They claim to care about people but they really dont.

And listen you stupid cock sucker. Everyone who got rich did so in the old "socialist" america. You have no idea how this system helped get them to where they are. Now they want to change the rules to every man for himself? Fuck you!

That's one tenet of socialism.

The progressive tax system is bullshit. Because I make more, I don't have a problem paying more. I have a problem paying a higher percentage while some piece of shit pay 0%.

You have no clue how the schools where I live are funded. There are 15 high schools, 28 middle schools, and over 50 elementary schools. We're the largest district in the State. EVERY student whether their personal background is rich or poor uses the same desks, books, has the same teachers, etc. Within the district, there are no poor or rich schools when it comes to per pupil spending. While the financial background of the individual parents of the students at each school may differ and those wealthier may voluntarily give more to the schools where their kids go, the taxpayer funded spending for each level of school is the same across the board. If people are disadvantaged at certain schools, it's because of personal factors not unequal spending for them.

You claim to care about people yet your only way to show it is to find a w

The only losers are those that demand someone else owes them something or support one person being forced to support another. I don't know how old you are. Since you're one of those that either receives it or believes in it, that makes you a born loser.

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

Not necessarily true.

Good! Lucky some people die at age 59.

Yes, we want lots of that actually. Pay in but don't take a cut. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I'll take it for one reason. Because I was forced to put into it. The thing is I will take it and spend it even it someone else NEEDS it or goes without otherwise.

 

[sealybobo]

Right wing talking point says what?

You said you support all those things and all of them are socialist based programs. When what is said is true, it's no longer a talking point but a fact.

They called the new leader of Greece a Commy socialist. If taxing the rich is socialism then I'm a socialist.

If thinking that someone financially successful owes someone that isn't is socialism, you're a socialist. Interesting how you think someone else should do what you can't or won't voluntarily do without the government telling you. That's why socialism and socialists are worthless. It involves someone taking credit for something getting done although they don't do what actually gets done.

You hate the rich because you'll never be that way.

No socialism is where everything is state run. America has a progressive tax system so you live in a socialist country. You also help pay for poor public schools so they aren't overly disadvantaged. God the GOP sucks. They claim to care about people but they really dont.

And listen you stupid cock sucker. Everyone who got rich did so in the old "socialist" america. You have no idea how this system helped get them to where they are. Now they want to change the rules to every man for himself? Fuck you!

That's one tenet of socialism.

The progressive tax system is bullshit. Because I make more, I don't have a problem paying more. I have a problem paying a higher percentage while some piece of shit pay 0%.

You have no clue how the schools where I live are funded. There are 15 high schools, 28 middle schools, and over 50 elementary schools. We're the largest district in the State. EVERY student whether their personal background is rich or poor uses the same desks, books, has the same teachers, etc. Within the district, there are no poor or rich schools when it comes to per pupil spending. While the financial background of the individual parents of the students at each school may differ and those wealthier may voluntarily give more to the schools where their kids go, the taxpayer funded spending for each level of school is the same across the board. If people are disadvantaged at certain schools, it's because of personal factors not unequal spending for them.

You claim to care about people yet your only way to show it is to find a w

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

Not necessarily true.

Good! Lucky some people die at age 59.

Yes, we want lots of that actually. Pay in but don't take a cut. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I'll take it for one reason. Because I was forced to put into it. The thing is I will take it and spend it even it someone else NEEDS it or goes without otherwise.

You're making my point. If we did it your way your schools would be better than schools in poor communities. You live in a nice city where even the poor kids get a good education. I know cities like that. That's not how it works in michigan. The metro Detroit schools are good but not Detroit public schools.

I knew lots of guys who wished they could have invested instead of ss then 2007 happened. You trust corporations too much. At least its our government. But you dont like democracy as much as you do capitalism

 

[francoHFW]

Right wing talking point says what?

You said you support all those things and all of them are socialist based programs. When what is said is true, it's no longer a talking point but a fact.

They called the new leader of Greece a Commy socialist. If taxing the rich is socialism then I'm a socialist.

If thinking that someone financially successful owes someone that isn't is socialism, you're a socialist. Interesting how you think someone else should do what you can't or won't voluntarily do without the government telling you. That's why socialism and socialists are worthless. It involves someone taking credit for something getting done although they don't do what actually gets done.

You hate the rich because you'll never be that way.

No socialism is where everything is state run. America has a progressive tax system so you live in a socialist country. You also help pay for poor public schools so they aren't overly disadvantaged. God the GOP sucks. They claim to care about people but they really dont.

And listen you stupid cock sucker. Everyone who got rich did so in the old "socialist" america. You have no idea how this system helped get them to where they are. Now they want to change the rules to every man for himself? Fuck you!

That's one tenet of socialism.

The progressive tax system is bullshit. Because I make more, I don't have a problem paying more. I have a problem paying a higher percentage while some piece of shit pay 0%.

You have no clue how the schools where I live are funded. There are 15 high schools, 28 middle schools, and over 50 elementary schools. We're the largest district in the State. EVERY student whether their personal background is rich or poor uses the same desks, books, has the same teachers, etc. Within the district, there are no poor or rich schools when it comes to per pupil spending. While the financial background of the individual parents of the students at each school may differ and those wealthier may voluntarily give more to the schools where their kids go, the taxpayer funded spending for each level of school is the same across the board. If people are disadvantaged at certain schools, it's because of personal factors not unequal spending for them.

You claim to care about people yet your only way to show it is to find a w

Yes that is the right wing montra or spin on such things as social security. Unfortunately for you its an unpopular position to have.

Why would those who depend on my hard work and the hard work of others not like a program that hands them something for nothing. Welfare and food stamps leeches don't pay the taxes that fund their leech handouts and their only demand is that those of us supporting them now be taxed more.

Popular isn't necessarily good and good isn't necessarily popular.

My problem with social security is that someone working at a low wage because they have low skills will get out of the program far more than they ever put in while people like dad who made a high wage for many years won't get close to what he was forced to put in unless he lives to 100.

It's not a savings account, and anyone who lives long enough very quickly gets back more than they paid in.

Not necessarily true.

Good! Lucky some people die at age 59.

Yes, we want lots of that actually. Pay in but don't take a cut. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I'll take it for one reason. Because I was forced to put into it. The thing is I will take it and spend it even it someone else NEEDS it or goes without otherwise.

The problem with hater dupes is that they are totally misinformed. After 30 years of Voodoo, our tax system is no longer progressive- EVERYONE now pays about 21% of their income if you count ALL taxes and fees, and 95% of new wealth goes to the richest. You are so misinformed you're a functional moron.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Why Do Liberal/Progressives Seek To Impose Their Views On Others?

because that is the only way people will do it - force them

 

[sealybobo]

Why Do Liberal/Progressives Seek To Impose Their Views On Others?

because that is the only way people will do it - force them

No one forces you to get an abortion we just give you the right.

You dont have to take the sick or vacation days we got you.

You can accept lower pay if you dont like higher wages.