Why Do American Politicians Dislike Socialism and Communism So Much?

[there4eyeM]

Why Do American Politicians Dislike Socialism and Communism So Much?
They don't, they love the terms. It gives them something their constituents don't understand that can be criticized and berated in the most virulent terms without accomplishing anything. That is what politicians especially love. No positive alternatives are necessary, just repeated clichés from the old play book. Also, the insufficiencies of the current economic game can be made to look better by comparison, again with no need to think and come up with new ideas.

 

[dblack]

I think we should avoid socialism and communism in the same way we avoid theocracy, and for the same reason: it gives government too much power. We need a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the state from co-opting economic power. Government should be the referee for society, not the coach.

But you know that isn't going to happen.

Probably not. Doesn't change my position.

Speaking of what isn't going to happen - we'll never get anything like real socialism in the US. Certainly not if the Democrats have anything to do with it. They're squarely fixated on corporatism, which is even worse.

They absolutely do. Sadly neither party is who they pretend to be but we continue to support them for some reason.

Just to note, Trump supports Corporatism also which is why he does nothing about the employers hiring illegals. Corporations want the low wages.

True, Trump is a corporatist. But to clarify, "corporatism" (Corporatism - Wikipedia) isn't "government that favors business interests". It's a broader ideology that sets up up government as a power broker, distributing power and resources to special interest groups. Often these are businesses or industry cartels, but it also includes religions, organized labor, and any other powerful lobbies.

 

[forkup]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

 

[2aguy]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.

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From the author:

I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.

Socialism is evil......that's why. It takes from the one who earned and gives it to the politicians in power who use it to increase their power and control....all under the false claim they are entitled to it because they will use it to help others.

I asked you not to quote the dropouts from CNN and the New York Times !!!

Is that why the people of Scandinavia are SO HAPPY ???


You THINK at least a little when you write something.
Or are you - on the salary of the propaganda Deep State ???

Those countries aren't socialist.....they tried it and got rid of it....they are capitalist countries with big safety nets...try to keep up....

 

[2aguy]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Wrong....they pretend to want what the Nordic countries have but want what venezuela has....they are lying......

 

[Gdjjr]

Public Education is socialist- forcing light bulbs and commodes is communist with a hint of fascism, or vice versa.

The US leans more toward fascism. It does this with keynesean monetary policy- to put is succinctly; the markets are controlled by the fed reserve monetary supply based on it's interpretations of market activity with revenue (user fees called taxes to "insure" it stays afloat enFORCEd by "federal" gov't agents, the IRS) The US has socialist programs, SS and Public Education (not to mention employing 100's of thousands with/by taking from some [wealth producers] and using it to pay others, or, buy their vote through wealth confiscation).

It works- for now. But, it (the fed gov't) has also become what the anti-federalist founders feared. Tyrannical and oppressive through "regulations" restricting competition to the favored (read willing and capable of pay to play).

Free trade is the best "controller", but, alas, we don't employ it. The fed gov't dictates "trade". That is the polar opposite of free. Free is unemcumbered. It doesn't exist anywhere, especially the US where "capital" is not at a premium, which is necessary to finance the slavery of debt, which is what the US operates with. Intentionally.

 

[j-mac]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

renewedright.com

View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

 

[basquebromance]

the contrast between capitalist and socialist countries has never been clearer, my friends

 

[basquebromance]

90 percent of Scandivia's combined wealth is privately owned

even the socialists have become capitalists eventually

 

[forkup]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

 

[basquebromance]

name one country where socialism is or was successful?

*crickets*

 

[LuckyDuck]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.

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From the author:

I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.

This will take a bit, but let's take a look at it.
1. First, go to any person that fled living under Marxism (Cubans, former Soviets, Vietnamese, North Koreans, Chinese, et cetera) and ask them why they left the idyllic life of Marxism.
2. Under a Marxist government, only the Marxist government is allowed, all others are, well, imprisoned, or worse.
3. If you are in a Marxist nation, you are absolutely NOT allowed to leave it, if you are against its authoritarian policies, hence the reason people are "smuggled" out. If you are not in favor of your Marxist government and try to leave, you end up in one of the following situations:
a. Sent to a re-education camp for proper brainwashing, under duress.
b. Sent to a gulag (forced labor camp), where, over time, if you capitulate to the government's demands, you might be allowed to go back to your life of poverty.
c. Put before a wall and shot, or hung on a gallows.
If you deny this, you are either an ignorant idiot, or a Marxist.
Now, on to Marxism. I addressed this in another post, but bear with me on this, it isn't short.
Karl Marx was born in 1818 and died in 1883. He lived through the beginning of the "industrial revolution." During this period, he witnessed the poor treatment of people that worked for the companies. They were paid extremely poor wages to maximize the profits of the company owners and were treated poorly. Companies even set up areas for their employees to bilk them out of their earnings, so that by the end of the day, they just weren't getting ahead. Karl Marx saw this abuse of the working class and was appalled. BUT...that was two centuries ago. Over time, things began to change. Unions for workers cropped up to demand better conditions. In the U.S. the OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Organization) was created for workers safety. Laws against young children being made to work came into being. Because of these things, better working conditions emerged. Minimum wages for some classes of workers were established and a Middle-Class was established, pulling more people out of poverty than any Marxist nation ever did.
What pulled so many out of poverty? Innovation. The drive for individuals to see a need for something, get profit and provide jobs. Marxism on the other hand, stifles innovation. There is no incentive for people to be innovative under that system. They get no real reward, whereas, idea people with drive can not only see their ideas flourish, but live a good life from those ideas.
Marxists continue to believe that the worker should get the profits, as they do the bulk of the labor, but Karl Marx didn't think things through on his concept. The difference between the entrepreneur/inventor and the labor is this: The entrepreneur/inventor takes ALL the risk...I repeat, ALL the risk. The worker takes none of the risk. That head of the company/inventor, purchases the property, builds the building, purchases all the merchandise needed for his/her product, pays for the insurance for the business and to cover the employees, pays for the utilities and property taxes. If the company fails, he/she loses everything. If the company fails, the worker just loses work and moves on to another business to work with. Thus, the profits should go to the employer.

 

[Gdjjr]

Capitalism is merely a system of exchange. Free trade is THE key to it's success. The problems we encounter are due to attempting to control the market restricting competition and trade to certain rules not conducive to free, never mind markets.
All the negative ism's in the world won't change the fact that attempting to control an economy will result in failure(s) - because man cannot determine what another man allowed to trade freely will exchange for a desire. Limiting (or restricting) the producers of desired (and in many cases needed) services or goods creates artificial prices. When a gov't, any gov't, including the US, acts favorably to one, another always suffers. That has nothing to do with capitalism in spite what you've been told to believe.

 

[basquebromance]

rich Americans are taxed at a much higher rate than rich Swedes or Norwegians.

Scandinavian countries have a mix of a welfare state with a capitalist system. i call it welfarism rather than socialism

all of Sweden's biggest known companies originated in the country's capitalist heyday, countries like Erikson, Ikea, and Volvo...

 

[j-mac]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

The citizenry as a whole would never go for that. Anyway, I’m parked for the night so another time.

 

[basquebromance]

did you know?

In 1973, Ikea's founder fled Sweden's higher tax structure for Denmark, before seeking even lower taxes in Switzerland. SO MUCH FOR SWEDISH PRIDE.

even Swedish tennis legend Big Bjorn Borg moved to Monaco

 

[basquebromance]

so Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Lenin, Mussolini, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro etc...are all "anomalies", and not the logical conclusion of socialism?

that's what Crazy Bernie believes, my friends

 

[forkup]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

The citizenry as a whole would never go for that. Anyway, I’m parked for the night so another time.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

The citizenry as a whole would never go for that. Anyway, I’m parked for the night so another time.

I don't know about that. Demographics aren't on your side. As less and less of the electorate grew up during the cold war and more and more of them are minorities who grew up seeing the rich getting richer while the middle class shrunk. The idea that having access to health are and education is the road to Communism will become a harder and harder sell IMO.

 

[Orangecat]

EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

Literally impossible and the goal of a child's intellect.

 

[j-mac]

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

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View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

The citizenry as a whole would never go for that. Anyway, I’m parked for the night so another time.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Home - Renewed Right

renewedright.com

View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???

This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!
In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.





View attachment 376602

Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "

Nordic nations are not socialist; they’re free-trade lovers

Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms.

thehill.com

and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

Bernie Sanders and AOC point to the brief window of Swedish socialism’s artificial success before Sweden crumbled under its reality.

thefederalist.com

It is true that nordic countries have a market economy only more heavily regulated. On the other hand those are exactly the policies suggested by the people on the left like Sanders, Warren and the like. They don't advocate for the policies pursued by Venezuela or Soviet Russia. Yet they are routinely portrayed as extremists and Communists.

It's an inherently dishonest argument by those on the right not to mention schizophrenic. On the one hand those suggesting following the policies of Nordic countries are portrayed as extremists and Communists. But when faced by the fact that those policies make a better society people like you are quick to point out that those countries have capitalism.

Yeah, I know, facts suck...Look, Nordic style heavy taxation, and far reaching social programs may work fine for small countries with vast oil wealth, however it’s a different story for a diversified large country like the United States.

Some facts then. The USA is the third-largest oil exporter and has the largest economy in the world. Nordic style countries which include almost the entirety of Europe and include Japan all have far-reaching social programs and have stable and prosperous societies. Some of those countries only have a few million people and some over fifty and in the case of Japan over a hundred million.

Do you know what you don't see? Larger countries being less successful in keeping those social programs viable. As to the US being more diverse. My country (Belgium) has large minorities that include Italians, Moroccans, Turks, and Congolese. To be joined recently by Syrians, Afghans, and Iraqis to name a few. We still have our social programs and this without natural resources to speak of in-country. Nordic countries have lower population densities.

So what pray tell makes it impossible for the US to pursue similar policies that result in no student debt, a living wage for nearly everybody, and a health care system that gives access to high-level healthcare for its entire populace?

The citizenry as a whole would never go for that. Anyway, I’m parked for the night so another time.

I don't know about that. Demographics aren't on your side. As less and less of the electorate grew up during the cold war and more and more of them are minorities who grew up seeing the rich getting richer while the middle class shrunk. The idea that having access to health are and education is the road to Communism will become a harder and harder sell IMO.

“Access”? Who doesn’t have access?