Why Do American Politicians Dislike Socialism and Communism So Much?

socialism is great! just ask Oliver Stone, who has done two biopics about how great Venezuela was under Chavez. wonder if he'll make a trilogy and show folks eating their pets and burning their currency for warmth
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.

Listen, don't throw everything in "one basket" and DO NOT MIX “social” rather than “socialist” programs with capitalism.
Socialism, as a society of citizens of social equality, is antagonistic to capitalism, as a society of total INEQUALITY !!!

I don't disagree with that but we are talking about the realities of the country. There are a very small number of true believers of both but they are never going to get what they want.
 
Lord give me patience with these "chavez was a hero" fools. Chavez didn't nationalize the oil industry in Venezuela. It was already nationalized by Carlos Andres Perez during his first presidency in the 1970's.

venezuela has become gradually more socialist every day since the 70's
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.
 
What the hell is up with all these pro-socialism/ communism threads lately?

Socialism fails because the government can’t provide you with anything they must rely on someone else to give. In other words government produces nothing of value, therefore they can only promise to give you free stuff as long as someone else is actually making that stuff. This holds true for everything from healthcare to money to food to toilet paper. That is why these are always the first failures of socialist governments.

Socialism can’t give you free healthcare if the doctors won’t give it away. They can’t give you money if those that have it stop Persuing making it. They can’t give you free food if ranchers and farmers won’t do it for nothing. And they can’t keep toilet paper on the shelves if the loggers, mills and manufacturers don’t keep doing their jobs for no pay.

The stupidity of socialism is thinking you get to be the only lazy person in town and everyone else will keep doing what they’re doing. It doesn’t work like that. In short order you are standing in the same bread line as your doctor, previous employer, farmer and mill owner.
 
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Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.

I am under no illusions.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.

I am under no illusions.

That's great but many are.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.

I am under no illusions.

That's great but many are.

Well, you are discussing this with me now, no?
 
socialists promise to cure poverty, yet they poison everything they touch. as poverty increases, Maduro gets fatter and fatter and richer and richer. the major beneficiaries of the Maduro regime are his friends and family
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

The OP sure looks like he thinks Socialism is evil... That would mean no socialism and thus 'total Capitalism'...

I agree with you arguing for Total anything is very stupid.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.

I am under no illusions.

That's great but many are.

Well, you are discussing this with me now, no?

Sure, and we seem to agree.
 
Lord give me patience with these "chavez was a hero" fools. Chavez didn't nationalize the oil industry in Venezuela. It was already nationalized by Carlos Andres Perez during his first presidency in the 1970's.

venezuela has become gradually more socialist every day since the 70's

bas,

Bernie or any US Politician is more likely proposing social democracy...

This is more like Germany rather than Venezuela(or Cuba, USSR....)

Germany at the start of the year had lower unemployment than US and were running a surplus.... They have universal healthcare and free third level education...

So the real discussion should be 'Stay as you are' or move towards a more German Model...
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.

It is a balance that we are tenously flirting with now...Swings too far one way or the other are just as bad as a total shift.

That's fine. That's something to discuss. It's those who pretend we are not a mixture of both that are pretending.

I am under no illusions.

That's great but many are.

Well, you are discussing this with me now, no?

Sure, and we seem to agree.

We do on a small aspect...However, the real discussion is in how much of either you or I think is acceptable without destroying the founding principles of this nation.
 
It comes with a ten minute people oriented to the mother country national anthem.
 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


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This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.


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I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.


Socialism is evil......that's why. It takes from the one who earned and gives it to the politicians in power who use it to increase their power and control....all under the false claim they are entitled to it because they will use it to help others.

I asked you not to quote the dropouts from CNN and the New York Times !!!

Is that why the people of Scandinavia are SO HAPPY ???


You THINK at least a little when you write something.
Or are you - on the salary of the propaganda Deep State ???


Funny how you think lifting someone out of poverty (actually equality of outcome) will make people happy. Happiness has nothing to do with money and certainly not equality of outcome unless you are envious or jealous of other's possessions ( in which case you probably will never be happy or satisfied). It does help to have food, shelter,clothing. (The basics of Maslow's hierarchy of needs). But it happiness comes from within. 99.999% of Americans have more than enough food, shelter and clothing. It's the a lot of the other countries that don't. We are very lucky to live here. That in itself is a blessing.
 
Socialism is everyone is equal- except the more equal. Which we already have. Lip service and talking points are just that.


George Orwell described Marxist Socialist Communism well in his writing of "Animal Farm". " "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
 

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