Why Do American Politicians Dislike Socialism and Communism So Much?

Alexandre Fedorovski

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What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


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This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.


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From the author:

I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.
 
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Socialism is everyone is equal- except the more equal. Which we already have. Lip service and talking points are just that.
 
I dunno. I mean Stalin was really misunderstood. So many ruskies think back to his days as "happy times." That may account for Trump's actions. I mean Nikita did that shoe pounding thing, but really he was sort of clownish, and then he gave that secret speech suggesting torturing political opponents and sending the to die slowly in Siberia was …. maybe a bit much given circumstances. Then of course there's Putin murdering journalists and political opponents, and then Belarus. And then threatening the Baltics.

it's easy to see how Trump could become infatuated. Melania probably has fond memories of being child of apparchinick. It makes me thing of Bruno. So funny.
 
Socialism is far worse than covid. It is the most anti-American thing ever invented. The polar opposite of freedom.

It has never worked anywhere. There is no trading a shithole for the most prosperous country ever.

Socialism is the belief that free shit is free, when it is paid by souls.
 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.






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Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "


and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”

 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.






View attachment 376602


Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "


and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”


Your reaction was suspiciously TOO fast :)

NO COMMENTS, JUST FACTS!


The 5.5 million residents of Finland sure have a lot to be happy about.

At least, they do according to the World Happiness Report, which was released Wednesday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.

The 136-page report ranks countries on six key variables that support well-being: income, freedom, trust, healthy life expectancy, social support and generosity. It then analyzes those rankings over time and, in some cases, raises potential causes for spikes and decreases in happiness.

The report named Finland the world’s happiest country, followed by Denmark, Norway, Iceland and the Netherlands. The U.S. came in 19th, a one-place drop from 2018′s report and a five-spot drop since 2017′s.

The U.S.'s place is a part of a trend for the worlds biggest superpowers, none of which broke the ranking’s top 10. The United Kingdom came in 15th place, up from 18th. Japan came in 58th and Germany in 17th, while Russia came in 68th and China in 93rd.

Canada ranked 9th overall and Mexico 23rd.

Of the 156 countries surveyed, the report determined that people in South Sudan are the most unhappy with their lives, followed by Central African Republic, Afghanistan, Tanzania and Rwanda. Venezuela continued to be the most consistent country dropping down the rankings — falling from an average rank of 44th in 2013-15, down to 108 this year.

Why does the U.S. continue to drop, despite economic growth?
The United Nations has produced the World Happiness Report using data from Gallup World Poll surveys since 2012. In that same time frame, the U.S. has dropped from its highest place — 13th — to its lowest of 19th in 2019′s report.

Except for its 10th-place ranking for income, the US did not rank in the top 10 on measures that make up a happy country in the report, placing 12th for generosity, 37th for social support, 61st for freedom and 42nd for corruption.

The report directly points to the country’s issues with addiction and high-use of digital media as reasons for its declining happiness.

“This year’s report provides sobering evidence of how addictions are causing considerable unhappiness and depression in the U.S.,” said report co-author Jeffrey Sachs. “Addictions come in many forms, from substance abuse to gambling to digital media. The compulsive pursuit of substance abuse and addictive behaviors is causing severe unhappiness.”

From a policy standpoint, Sachs says the U.S. has failed to react to the issues it faces, such as obesity rates being among the highest in the world; rising rates of adolescent depression; rising age-adjusted suicide rates since the year 2000; a searing opioid epidemic; and falling overall life expectancy

Source: U.S. falls in world happiness report, Finland named happiest country
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.
 
Why Do American Politicians Dislike Socialism and Communism So Much?

They prefer fascism it fills their pockets much faster.
 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.






View attachment 376602


Ok, so maybe I am reading it wrong but, you are telling us that we just don't understand Socialism, and something about a scientific explanation of Socialism, but you don't provide this so called 'Scientific explanation'... Why?

Then you commit the same mistake that Bernie makes in telling us that Nordic countries as Socialist countries as a positive model when clearly they are NOT Socialist at all....

Consider:

"One hears too often that Nordic economies (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) are based on socialist systems with sky-high taxation that are void of opportunities for entrepreneurial individuals.

The latest case occurred when Fox Business host Trish Regan compared Denmark to Venezuela, and in the face of Danish backlash, she admitted that the comparison was unfair, but that socialism is not the way forward for the U.S.

A big part of the Danish backlash was to say that Denmark is by many metrics a very market-oriented country. All Nordic countries are very high on World Economic Forum indicators on competitiveness and innovation, and they all are also high on the World Bank Doing Business indicator.



Their employment rates are generally higher than the U.S., and while GDP per capita may be lower on average, Nordic people are the happiest bunch of people on Earth if you look at almost any relevant study on happiness."

snip

" Nordic countries are not socialist, they are small, open economies, and they cherish free trade. Nordic companies that operate in global markets are exposed to hard competition in all forms. "

snip

" Successful businesses turning a profit and creating well-paying jobs are a necessary element of the Nordic model "


and this:

"

Sweden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism.


“Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”


Your reaction was suspiciously TOO fast :)

NO COMMENTS, JUST FACTS!


The 5.5 million residents of Finland sure have a lot to be happy about.

At least, they do according to the World Happiness Report, which was released Wednesday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.

The 136-page report ranks countries on six key variables that support well-being: income, freedom, trust, healthy life expectancy, social support and generosity. It then analyzes those rankings over time and, in some cases, raises potential causes for spikes and decreases in happiness.

The report named Finland the world’s happiest country, followed by Denmark, Norway, Iceland and the Netherlands. The U.S. came in 19th, a one-place drop from 2018′s report and a five-spot drop since 2017′s.

The U.S.'s place is a part of a trend for the worlds biggest superpowers, none of which broke the ranking’s top 10. The United Kingdom came in 15th place, up from 18th. Japan came in 58th and Germany in 17th, while Russia came in 68th and China in 93rd.

Canada ranked 9th overall and Mexico 23rd.

Of the 156 countries surveyed, the report determined that people in South Sudan are the most unhappy with their lives, followed by Central African Republic, Afghanistan, Tanzania and Rwanda. Venezuela continued to be the most consistent country dropping down the rankings — falling from an average rank of 44th in 2013-15, down to 108 this year.

Why does the U.S. continue to drop, despite economic growth?
The United Nations has produced the World Happiness Report using data from Gallup World Poll surveys since 2012. In that same time frame, the U.S. has dropped from its highest place — 13th — to its lowest of 19th in 2019′s report.

Except for its 10th-place ranking for income, the US did not rank in the top 10 on measures that make up a happy country in the report, placing 12th for generosity, 37th for social support, 61st for freedom and 42nd for corruption.

The report directly points to the country’s issues with addiction and high-use of digital media as reasons for its declining happiness.

“This year’s report provides sobering evidence of how addictions are causing considerable unhappiness and depression in the U.S.,” said report co-author Jeffrey Sachs. “Addictions come in many forms, from substance abuse to gambling to digital media. The compulsive pursuit of substance abuse and addictive behaviors is causing severe unhappiness.”

From a policy standpoint, Sachs says the U.S. has failed to react to the issues it faces, such as obesity rates being among the highest in the world; rising rates of adolescent depression; rising age-adjusted suicide rates since the year 2000; a searing opioid epidemic; and falling overall life expectancy

Source: U.S. falls in world happiness report, Finland named happiest country


Did you read the links I quoted? Odd that you would put in some sort of UN happiness study, when failing to address that the models you laid out in your OP, and "NOT Socialist countries"....
 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


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This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

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This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

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This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

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Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.


View attachment 376602

From the author:

I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.


Socialism is evil......that's why. It takes from the one who earned and gives it to the politicians in power who use it to increase their power and control....all under the false claim they are entitled to it because they will use it to help others.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.


America is a mixture for sure, but just because some of the more socialistic programs are proper in a caring society, doesn't mean that either total Socialism, is any better than total Capitalism....We have seen through history what Socialism/Communism really means to the citizens of the countries that have to endure through that system of government, and it isn't pretty.

Nobody has argued for either total Socialism or total Capitalism.
 
Why do people post made up stuff like this? Politicians (and the American people overall) love Socialist programs.

It's just who benefits where some have problems.

Listen, don't throw everything in "one basket" and DO NOT MIX “social” rather than “socialist” programs with capitalism.
Socialism, as a society of citizens of social equality, is antagonistic to capitalism, as a society of total INEQUALITY !!!
 
What is required in America today for a person who wants to become a politician ?!
- he must be Jewish or black;
- he must say that he is religious;
- he must be homosexual or at least support LGBT, or he will not get support in Hollywood, Portland or New York;
- he should say that he hates "socialism" or "communism", either sincerely believing that it is BAD, or because he "plays by the rules" adopted in the American establishment, or believing that the split in society on the "poor" and "rich", a Platonic idea going back to the 5th century BC is NORMAL.

In this sense, Trump's speechwriters continue to insert criticism of socialism wherever they go, either because of their poor education at Chicago university or deliberately discrediting their patron to those who know the scientific definition of socialism.

So it was THIS time when the President ripped Biden as a “Trojan Horse” for socialism who would be led around by radicals like Ilhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


View attachment 376592

This is how Democrats are represented by their opponents

View attachment 376597
This is how socialism is portrayed by those who want Americans to believe that socialism is worse than COVID-19

View attachment 376598

This is how Obama's rule and politics are represented

ALTHOUGH ALL THREE cartoons are psychological sabotage aimed at DISCREDITING THE IDEA of socialism!

WHAT DO both Democrats and Republicans DON'T LIKE about the idea of socialism ???


This is that socialism preaches the idea of SOCIAL EQUALITY and EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF HAPPINESS among all members of society!

In Their Own Words: Behind Americans’ Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’
Socialism’s critics say it weakens work ethic; those with positive views say it fosters equality

For many Americans, “socialism” is a word that evokes a weakened work ethic, stifled innovation and excessive reliance on the government. For others, it represents a fairer, more generous society.

View attachment 376600

Critics of socialism point to Venezuela as an example of a country where it has failed.

People with positive views of socialism cite different countries, such as Finland and Denmark, as places where it has succeeded.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

Many with positive views of socialism say it fosters equality
Why do you have a positive view of socialism?About four-in-ten Americans (42%) have positive views of socialism. Among this group, the most frequently cited reason is that it will result in fairer, more generous society (31% say this). This includes 10% who specifically express a belief that it is important for the government to take care of its citizens or for fellow citizens to care for each other.

A smaller share of Americans who have a positive view of socialism say it would build upon and improve capitalism (20%). Some in this group say the U.S. already has socialism, in the form of government programs. Others specifically say they prefer a blend of socialism and capitalism. “A blend can ensure a thriving productive society for all,” said a 42-year-old woman.

Just 2% of those who have a positive view of socialism explicitly mention the phrase “democratic socialism” as the reason.

While some who express a negative view of socialism link it with countries like Venezuela, some of those with a positive view point to different countries – such as Denmark or Finland – as models. Among those with a positive impression, 6% say it has been a historical or comparative success, with most of these people citing how it has worked in European countries.

“Capitalism is the worst way to set up a society, except for all the other ways,” said a 44-year-old man. “Free markets allow for more innovative solutions and for more people to succeed.”

When those who hold negative views of capitalism are asked why they hold this view, about a quarter (23%) say that capitalism creates an unfair economic structure, mentioning that the system only benefits a small number of people or that wealth in this country is distributed poorly.
A similar share (20%) says that capitalism has an exploitative and corrupt nature, often hurting either people or the environment.
A smaller share of Americans who have negative views of capitalism (8%) mention that corporations and wealthy people undermine the democratic process by having too much power in political matters. And 4% of those with a negative view say that capitalism can work, but to do so it needs better oversight and regulation.


View attachment 376602

From the author:

I do not want to be like the propagandists of the Deep State, which stands guard over the interests of those who have everything, to brainwash readers and arrogantly and shamelessly claim that capitalism is the ONLY possible, God-given socio-political and economic system for the Chosen.

But I think that the discussion about "capitalism" and "socialism" MATURED in society, but for its adequate development KNOWLEDGE of the definition of socialism and its goals is needed.

Any attempt to cite corrupt propagandists from CNN or the New York Times will emasculate the debate.


Socialism is evil......that's why. It takes from the one who earned and gives it to the politicians in power who use it to increase their power and control....all under the false claim they are entitled to it because they will use it to help others.

I asked you not to quote the dropouts from CNN and the New York Times !!!

Is that why the people of Scandinavia are SO HAPPY ???


You THINK at least a little when you write something.
Or are you - on the salary of the propaganda Deep State ???
 

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