Why didn't Obama replenish the N95 mask national supply that was depleted after the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 ?

[RealDave]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

Fuck off, Hew was downplaying the Virus well in to March.

By the time he banned some travel out of China, the Airlines had already drastically cut their number of flights.

Trump was down playing the virus well into March.

Trump: "Low Risk. It will disappear, we have 15 cases soon to be. zero!!!!"

When Democrats pushed for more action. Trump called their concern a HOAX>

Trump experts, were downplaying the virus.

Trump's experts are Kushner & Ivanka.

 

[RealDave]

Saying that Fauci made a statement in Jan at the beginning as being meaningful is looking for a scapegoat or someone to blame other than Trump. As far as I know Fauci never called this a hoax.

If you look at Fauci's statements about the virus, you'll see that Trump is simply mirroring them. Week by week, and now day by day, the CDC , the NIH and the coronavirus task force are learning more about this virus, and their assessments change. So do not blame Trump for parroting Fauci. no, this is not an attack on Fauci, the entire world was saying the same things, everyone was trying to determine how this virus was going to affect us.

You know what, they still don't know lot about this virus. We have not even been able to test 1% of the US population, so we do not know crucial details about this virus, not yet.

Fauci was under Trump's thumb. He had to carefully choose his words not to make Trump look as bad as he is.

 

[RealDave]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

Fuck off, Hew was downplaying the Virus well in to March.

By the time he banned some travel out of China, the Airlines had already drastically cut their number of flights.

Trump was down playing the virus well into March.

Trump: "Low Risk. It will disappear, we have 15 cases soon to be. zero!!!!"

When Democrats pushed for more action. Trump called their concern a HOAX>

Maybe Trump was listening to Nancy:

Yet blamed Trump’s early “denial” for spread of coronavirus
In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

canadafreepress.com

And yet she accuses Trump of not doing anything, while she goes around undermining him.

Trump is fucking up big time & everyone is supposed to remain silent?

When that fat fucker quits lying to the American people, then people will get behind him.

 

[eddiew]

There were 104 Million N95 masks and 52 Million surgical masks in reserve when Obama was elected. Obama shipped out 3/4 of the stockpile for the 2009 flu season and never put them back. Yet you listen to the liberal media and blame Trump.}}}}}}}}

If any of this is true, then there was no 2010 flu season, no 2011 flu, no 2012 flu, no 2013 flu, no 2014 flu, no 2015 flu, no 2016 flu, no 2017 flu, no 2018 flu, and no 2019 flu. But we know there was. So this sounds like BS. For every year since 2009, it would have been noticed.

It's probably the case that Congress, controlled by Republicans, refused to provide funding. They obstructed Obama at every turn, for just about anything. Much of the budget spending consisted of continuing resolutions.

As well, if any of this is true, it's also true that the depleted stockpile wasn't replaced under trumpf either. It's been over 3 years. You don't hold trumpf accountable at all. You are flagrantly biased.

 

[eddiew]

Saying that Fauci made a statement in Jan at the beginning as being meaningful is looking for a scapegoat or someone to blame other than Trump. As far as I know Fauci never called this a hoax.

If you look at Fauci's statements about the virus, you'll see that Trump is simply mirroring them. Week by week, and now day by day, the CDC , the NIH and the coronavirus task force are learning more about this virus, and their assessments change. So do not blame Trump for parroting Fauci. no, this is not an attack on Fauci, the entire world was saying the same things, everyone was trying to determine how this virus was going to affect us.

You know what, they still don't know lot about this virus. We have not even been able to test 1% of the US population, so we do not know crucial details about this virus, not yet.

Fauci was under Trump's thumb. He had to carefully choose his words not to make Trump look as bad as he is.

I remember after trump spouted some BS Fauci held his head in his hands Trump lies only ,when he opens his mouth

 

[Mac-7]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

 

[Bobob]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

Fuck off, Hew was downplaying the Virus well in to March.

By the time he banned some travel out of China, the Airlines had already drastically cut their number of flights.

Trump was down playing the virus well into March.

Trump: "Low Risk. It will disappear, we have 15 cases soon to be. zero!!!!"

When Democrats pushed for more action. Trump called their concern a HOAX>

Maybe Trump was listening to Nancy:

Yet blamed Trump’s early “denial” for spread of coronavirus
In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

canadafreepress.com

And yet she accuses Trump of not doing anything, while she goes around undermining him.

Trump is fucking up big time & everyone is supposed to remain silent?

When that fat fucker quits lying to the American people, then people will get behind him.

I would be less vehemently opposed for sure, but he is not my kind of president due to his personal attacks, boorish
behavior and lack of respect for our 3 equal branches of government.

 

[RealDave]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

 

[Bobob]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

Great post. Says it all.

 

[Mac-7]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

I agree

But its a worldwide clusterfuck

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

Medical experts were wrong, they had thee swags and missed. Ouch destroy humanity and you want more? Amazing

 

[Mac-7]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

Medical experts were wrong, they had thee swags and missed. Ouch destroy humanity and you want more? Amazing

I think the medical “experts“ are having the time of their life during this chinese disease epidemic

 

[Kilroy2]

Who to believe medical experts who at least have experience and educational background. Yes sometimes they have to make prediction and it may or may not be born out. But there motives is completely different than say politicians. There primary objective is provide the most accurate information.

Politicians like trump who have no experience or educational background have another motive.
Election year and having to sound like they know something about a pandemic but they are told what to say by advisers who want to keep their job. If the advisers are competent then the politicians may sound competent, but then again if the politician motive is different then you get what we have now.

 

[Flopper]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

The Trump administration has been a day late and a dollar short in just about everything they have done or should have done. Starting with the 2018 firing of the Pandemic Response Team, cutting funds from the budget used by the CDC to track international epidemics which congress restored, the administration has shown they had no interest whatsoever in preparing for a pandemic. For 3 years the administration failed to bring the supply of N95 respirators even up to a minimum level for fighting a regional epidemic much less a pandemic. Even after there was no doubt that the nation faced a pandemic and the virus was already in the US, the administration still failed to act. In fact, they didn't order respirators or other supplies until the middle of March. Almost everything that possibly could go wrong with the creation, distribution, and regulation of the test kits went wrong.

So what did the administration do during the two months when the virus could have been stopped. Committees were organized to determine what to do, a Chinese travel ban that was not well enforced and riddled with loopholes was put in place in January. For 8 weeks, the president and other members of his staff, carried the message to the public that we were just dealing with the flu. After 10 weeks, when the whole world was aware that American had an epidemic to deal with did the president decide to respond. However, by then there were active cases in 4 states and it was estimated that there were exposures to the virus in a dozen more. America was becoming a text book case in how not to handle a nationwide epidemic.

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

It is a clusterfuck. Task force after task force all running in different directions & getting nothing done. Ignore the medical experts & rely on the cronies he appointed that are ineffective.

Sure you Trumpettes love Trump. You loved his record as a fraud & business cheat. No wonder you love it as he lays claim to the slush fund.

Medical experts were wrong, they had thee swags and missed. Ouch destroy humanity and you want more? Amazing

I think the medical “experts“ are having the time of their life during this chinese disease epidemic

A Chinese fire drill

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

The Trump administration has been a day late and a dollar short in just about everything they have done or should have done. Starting with the 2018 firing of the Pandemic Response Team, cutting funds from the budget used by the CDC to track international epidemics which congress restored, the administration has shown they had no interest whatsoever in preparing for a pandemic. For 3 years the administration failed to bring the supply of N95 respirators even up to a minimum level for fighting a regional epidemic much less a pandemic. Even after there was no doubt that the nation faced a pandemic and the virus was already in the US, the administration still failed to act. In fact, they didn't order respirators or other supplies until the middle of March. Almost everything that possibly could go wrong with the creation, distribution, and regulation of the test kits went wrong.

So what did the administration do during the two months when the virus could have been stopped. Committees were organized to determine what to do, a Chinese travel ban that was not well enforced and riddled with loopholes was put in place in January. For 8 weeks, the president and other members of his staff, carried the message to the public that we were just dealing with the flu. After 10 weeks, when the whole world was aware that American had an epidemic to deal with did the president decide to respond. However, by then there were active cases in 4 states and it was estimated that there were exposures to the virus in a dozen more. America was becoming a text book case in how not to handle a nationwide epidemic.

Oh for fk sake

 

[jc456]

Who to believe medical experts who at least have experience and educational background. Yes sometimes they have to make prediction and it may or may not be born out. But there motives is completely different than say politicians. There primary objective is provide the most accurate information.

Politicians like trump who have no experience or educational background have another motive.
Election year and having to sound like they know something about a pandemic but they are told what to say by advisers who want to keep their job. If the advisers are competent then the politicians may sound competent, but then again if the politician motive is different then you get what we have now.

Experts lying

 

[Flopper]

Who to believe medical experts who at least have experience and educational background. Yes sometimes they have to make prediction and it may or may not be born out. But there motives is completely different than say politicians. There primary objective is provide the most accurate information.

Politicians like trump who have no experience or educational background have another motive.
Election year and having to sound like they know something about a pandemic but they are told what to say by advisers who want to keep their job. If the advisers are competent then the politicians may sound competent, but then again if the politician motive is different then you get what we have now.

A real leader does not need any experience or educational background in a technical issue. He just needs the ability to pick good technical advisers and to listen to them. I'm pretty sure Trump got advice to maintain the pandemic response team which he ignored, to maintain funding for the international epidermic tracking which he ignored. Why would anyone expect an adequate response to an epidemic from an administration with no plan to deal with it, inadequate resources, and a president who believes it's nothing but the flu.

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago

So your solution is elimination the federal agencies that help states in an emergency so that each state would have to build their equivalent of the CDC, FEMA, and warehouse all supplies for whatever emergency might arise?

If the choice is only extremes - i.e. no FEMA or only FEMA with no state and local responsibility that is your world not mine

but consider this: if you put all your faith in the feds and they are asleep at the wheel such as NIH and CDC was this time you are pretty much screwed.

you will wreck the economy and the nations health at the same time

The only way to avoid wrecking the economy when a virus like covid 19 hits is to get ahead of the game which means ordering test kits before the first known US infection, not two months later and having response teams investigating the first and every infection, testing, tracking, and quarantining. If that doesn't happen then the country will be faced with mitigation and that means serious economic consequences.

Stopping an epidemic is not rock science. It takes advanced planning, adequate resources, and a leadership that understands the importance of a rapid response. Almost 1 month after we learned about Covid 19, the White House formed a response task force to determine the proper response and a division of responsibilities between the states and the various parts of the federal government.

I know libs are trying to make this trump’s katrina but it wont fly outside of lib la la land

Sorry, but it already is.

If Trump was President during Katrina.... " Its a thunderstorm. Low risk." "A shower, It will rain & then leave."

As for after the storm. look at Puertoi Rico. A total fuck up.

Trump can 't even get testing to where it needs to be. Now he says we don't need it.

For confirmed trump haters sure

but everyone else knows his staff is doing a good job

The Trump administration has been a day late and a dollar short in just about everything they have done or should have done. Starting with the 2018 firing of the Pandemic Response Team, cutting funds from the budget used by the CDC to track international epidemics which congress restored, the administration has shown they had no interest whatsoever in preparing for a pandemic. For 3 years the administration failed to bring the supply of N95 respirators even up to a minimum level for fighting a regional epidemic much less a pandemic. Even after there was no doubt that the nation faced a pandemic and the virus was already in the US, the administration still failed to act. In fact, they didn't order respirators or other supplies until the middle of March. Almost everything that possibly could go wrong with the creation, distribution, and regulation of the test kits went wrong.

So what did the administration do during the two months when the virus could have been stopped. Committees were organized to determine what to do, a Chinese travel ban that was not well enforced and riddled with loopholes was put in place in January. For 8 weeks, the president and other members of his staff, carried the message to the public that we were just dealing with the flu. After 10 weeks, when the whole world was aware that American had an epidemic to deal with did the president decide to respond. However, by then there were active cases in 4 states and it was estimated that there were exposures to the virus in a dozen more. America was becoming a text book case in how not to handle a nationwide epidemic.

 

[jc456]

Who to believe medical experts who at least have experience and educational background. Yes sometimes they have to make prediction and it may or may not be born out. But there motives is completely different than say politicians. There primary objective is provide the most accurate information.

Politicians like trump who have no experience or educational background have another motive.
Election year and having to sound like they know something about a pandemic but they are told what to say by advisers who want to keep their job. If the advisers are competent then the politicians may sound competent, but then again if the politician motive is different then you get what we have now.

A real leader does not need any experience or educational background in a technical issue. He just needs the ability to pick good technical advisers and to listen to them. I'm pretty sure Trump got advice to maintain the pandemic response team which he ignored, to maintain funding for the international epidermic tracking which he ignored. Why would anyone expect an adequate response to an epidemic from an administration with no plan to deal with it, inadequate resources, and a president who believes it's nothing but the flu.

So obammy’s were bad then too. Cause it’s the same guy