Why didn't Obama replenish the N95 mask national supply that was depleted after the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 ?

[Ame®icano]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

California once had mobile hospitals and ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them. - LA Times

California once had mobile hospitals and ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them. - The San Diego Union Tribune

 

[RealDave]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

When they went to buy, the federal govertnment sucked up the supplies.
If the feds aren't supposed to help the states why is Fuckhead Trump buying them all?

 

[Wapasha]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

I haven't blamed anyone for failing to build the supply up, that is what you Trump Humpers have been doing.

You can actually say that with a straight face ?
Ok, maybe you SPECIFICALLY haven't blamed anyone specific, but YOUR side sure the fuck has, and the fingers have been exclusively pointed at Trump !

Who the fuck is my side? Trump is the POTUS TODAY, who the hell else are they going to point the finger at.

This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

Who the fuck is MY side?

Fingers need to be pointed at all leaders past and present for failing to prepare for this pandemic, and failing to protect the American people.

Have you read the HHS study from 2005 ? I did. It's longer than shit, and very detailed and boring, but It spelled out what would be needed if we were hit by another Spanish Flu size pandemic.
Bush failed, all governors at that time failed.
Obama failed, all governors at that time failed.
Trump failed, all governors at this time have failed.

I wouldn't say those presidents failed in every area. I'd say the career professionals in the CDC and the other federal health agencies failed. Those agencies couldn't even keep our national stockpile resupplied. There are procedures and regulations which tell those people how they are supposed to do their jobs. Our presidents are not supposed to micromanage those agencies.

The failures we ran into were a lack of ventilators, masks, face shields and other PPE not being properly resupplied to the national stockpile. We also had a couple of FDA rules, which made it impossible for the nation to perform enough blood tests to check for the virus. We had another FDA rule restricting the manufacture of ventilators. None of these were something I would say were the fault of the president. Those were all the fault of federal agencies not following procedures, or not recognizing the bottle necks that those FDA regs would cause during an epidemic.

 

[Wapasha]

When they went to buy, the federal govertnment sucked up the supplies.
If the feds aren't supposed to help the states why is Fuckhead Trump buying them all?

Maybe because we have a national emergency on our hands.

 

[RealDave]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

I haven't blamed anyone for failing to build the supply up, that is what you Trump Humpers have been doing.

You can actually say that with a straight face ?
Ok, maybe you SPECIFICALLY haven't blamed anyone specific, but YOUR side sure the fuck has, and the fingers have been exclusively pointed at Trump !
This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

Nope, assfuck. We blame Trump for inaction since this virus started.

It was TRUMP that blamed Obama for something the stupid fat fucker never did himself. " OMG OMG the shelves were bare OMG OMG OMG" A lie.

So fuck you & your orange buddy. I've had enough of both of your lies.

 

[RealDave]

When they went to buy, the federal govertnment sucked up the supplies.
If the feds aren't supposed to help the states why is Fuckhead Trump buying them all?

Maybe because we have a national emergency on our hands.

So the Fed is supposed to supply the states? Did you fail to keep up with the conversation or what.

 

[RealDave]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

I haven't blamed anyone for failing to build the supply up, that is what you Trump Humpers have been doing.

You can actually say that with a straight face ?
Ok, maybe you SPECIFICALLY haven't blamed anyone specific, but YOUR side sure the fuck has, and the fingers have been exclusively pointed at Trump !

Who the fuck is my side? Trump is the POTUS TODAY, who the hell else are they going to point the finger at.

This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

Who the fuck is MY side?

Fingers need to be pointed at all leaders past and present for failing to prepare for this pandemic, and failing to protect the American people.

Have you read the HHS study from 2005 ? I did. It's longer than shit, and very detailed and boring, but It spelled out what would be needed if we were hit by another Spanish Flu size pandemic.
Bush failed, all governors at that time failed.
Obama failed, all governors at that time failed.
Trump failed, all governors at this time have failed.

I wouldn't say those presidents failed in every area. I'd say the career professionals in the CDC and the other federal health agencies failed. Those agencies couldn't even keep our national stockpile resupplied. There are procedures and regulations which tell those people how they are supposed to do their jobs. Our presidents are not supposed to micromanage those agencies.

The failures we ran into were a lack of ventilators, masks, face shields and other PPE not being properly resupplied to the national stockpile. We also had a couple of FDA rules, which made it impossible for the nation to perform enough blood tests to check for the virus. We had another FDA rule restricting the manufacture of ventilators. None of these were something I would say were the fault of the president. Those were all the fault of federal agencies not following procedures, or not recognizing the bottle necks that those FDA regs would cause during an epidemic.

Masks have a 5 year shelve life. Anything Obama bought & stored prior to 2016 would have been expired.

 

[Wapasha]

This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

And what will Trump do after this crisis is over, and things get back to normal? He will do what presidents and Congress do, they will update existing legislation and regulations, or write new legislation and regulations, and the president will order the various agencies to write new procedures and rules.

And then what happens if the same career professionals and bureaucrats working in the various federal agencies, who failed to follow the rules and regulations, like failing to resupply the national stockpile, do so again? We already had regs stating that they must resupply, and they didn't follow them.

Hopefully there will be new rules which specify that during a national public health emergency, that certain FDA rules will kick into place, for example allowing state and private labs to perform testing, and allowing the expedited manufacturing of respirators and PPE, will be created.

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

When they went to buy, the federal govertnment sucked up the supplies.
If the feds aren't supposed to help the states why is Fuckhead Trump buying them all?

well duh, the governors told him to, and he did what they asked. again, why didn't the governors order them in February? I'm still waiting on the Prickzger part of this. why he didn't. he said he didn't, he claimed he was waiting on the pres. what stopped him, Prickzger?

 

[Wapasha]

So the Fed is supposed to supply the states? Did you fail to keep up with the conversation or what.

Are you unclear what the national stockpile is for??

I'll tell you what is not the purpose of the US national stockpile, it's purpose is not so that states can ignore stocking their own supplies for state disasters and medical emergencies.

As I said in an early post, any responsible state government will have it's own state emergency stockpile. They should not ignore the needs of their citizens during a state wide emergency, and just cry to the feds for help. They should not under supply their emergency needs, and become a burden on the nation's stock pile, just because they wanted to cut corners, save money, and blow millions of dollars on pet projects instead.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

I haven't blamed anyone for failing to build the supply up, that is what you Trump Humpers have been doing.

You can actually say that with a straight face ?
Ok, maybe you SPECIFICALLY haven't blamed anyone specific, but YOUR side sure the fuck has, and the fingers have been exclusively pointed at Trump !

Who the fuck is my side? Trump is the POTUS TODAY, who the hell else are they going to point the finger at.

This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

Who the fuck is MY side?

Fingers need to be pointed at all leaders past and present for failing to prepare for this pandemic, and failing to protect the American people.

Have you read the HHS study from 2005 ? I did. It's longer than shit, and very detailed and boring, but It spelled out what would be needed if we were hit by another Spanish Flu size pandemic.
Bush failed, all governors at that time failed.
Obama failed, all governors at that time failed.
Trump failed, all governors at this time have failed.

I wouldn't say those presidents failed in every area. I'd say the career professionals in the CDC and the other federal health agencies failed. Those agencies couldn't even keep our national stockpile resupplied. There are procedures and regulations which tell those people how they are supposed to do their jobs. Our presidents are not supposed to micromanage those agencies.

The failures we ran into were a lack of ventilators, masks, face shields and other PPE not being properly resupplied to the national stockpile. We also had a couple of FDA rules, which made it impossible for the nation to perform enough blood tests to check for the virus. We had another FDA rule restricting the manufacture of ventilators. None of these were something I would say were the fault of the president. Those were all the fault of federal agencies not following procedures, or not recognizing the bottle necks that those FDA regs would cause during an epidemic.

My point is, if you're going to blame Trump, you need to also blame past administrations.

 

[Wapasha]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

The fact is both the Obama and Trump administration are both guilty of not rebuilding the supply. However this a diversion from a far more serious problem. For the two critical months when the virus was in the containment phase, from early January to Early March, the president downplayed the seriousness of virus, comparing it to "just the common flu", a hoax, and he backed his comments with his lack of action, doing almost nothing except closing the border to the those from China. He blamed the press for acting hysterically about the virus, which had spread from China, to Japan, South Korea, Iran, Italy and the U.S, and he downplayed its dangers, saying against expert opinion it was on par with the flu. On Feb 26th, he reassures the nation that the federal government is ready to handle any outbreak. Did he order masks and protective gear during this period when the virus was spreading? Nope. The states were not allowed to test for the virus in Feb which made tracing contacts almost impossible. Those two precious months when the virus could have been contained were gone by the time Trump put the wheels in motion on March 4th. The containment phase was ending and mitigation phase was beginning.

And you know who was telling Trump that the virus was not a threat to the USA, that our federal agencies would be able to contain it? That would be the experts in the CDC, NIH, etc...

 

[Wapasha]

My point is, if you're going to blame Trump, you need to also blame past administrations.

Agreed, but we know some people are only blaming Trump. Apparently it's Trump's fault he did not know about the inadequate regulations, procedures and laws that have been in place for the past 30 years. It's Trump's fault he was unaware that the national stockpile was not properly being resupplied. Etc...

 

[Wapasha]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

 

[Wapasha]

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

Because the ass hats in the media are blaming Trump, and he's properly pointing out to those partisan hacks, that the problems with resupplying the stockpile predates his administration by over a decade.

 

[jc456]

About this rating
What's True
The U.S. federal stockpile of N95 protective face masks was largely depleted during the 2009 swine flu outbreak and was not restocked.
What's False
However, the Obama administration was not solely responsible for the current shortage of masks. In the intervening years, the stockpile went unreplenished as the Trump administration failed to heed indications that dramatic shortages could occur.
Why didn't Trump replenish the supply? What he did was to disband the pandemic task force that was formed by Obama.

The answer is simple, the same lazy and incompetent career professionals whose job it is to restock the masks, were the same people working under Obama, and now Trump. They didn't replenish supplies in 2009, they didn't do it in 2019 either.

I assure you, neither Trump nor Obama spent the wee hours of their mornings pouring over the databases and spread sheets, checking up on the CDC to see if they restocked PPE.

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

If you're going to blame Trump for failing to build the supply up during his 3 years, then you must also blame Obama for failing to build it up during his 8 years.
See how that works ?

I haven't blamed anyone for failing to build the supply up, that is what you Trump Humpers have been doing.

You can actually say that with a straight face ?
Ok, maybe you SPECIFICALLY haven't blamed anyone specific, but YOUR side sure the fuck has, and the fingers have been exclusively pointed at Trump !

Who the fuck is my side? Trump is the POTUS TODAY, who the hell else are they going to point the finger at.

This is why I started this thread. It wasn't to BLAME Obama specifically, it was intended to show your side, that we have had the warnings for many many years, that we were not prepared for this size of pandemic, and we were not prepared for the consequences of not being prepared.
All of our leaders have failed, going back decades !

Who the fuck is MY side?

Fingers need to be pointed at all leaders past and present for failing to prepare for this pandemic, and failing to protect the American people.

Have you read the HHS study from 2005 ? I did. It's longer than shit, and very detailed and boring, but It spelled out what would be needed if we were hit by another Spanish Flu size pandemic.
Bush failed, all governors at that time failed.
Obama failed, all governors at that time failed.
Trump failed, all governors at this time have failed.

I wouldn't say those presidents failed in every area. I'd say the career professionals in the CDC and the other federal health agencies failed. Those agencies couldn't even keep our national stockpile resupplied. There are procedures and regulations which tell those people how they are supposed to do their jobs. Our presidents are not supposed to micromanage those agencies.

The failures we ran into were a lack of ventilators, masks, face shields and other PPE not being properly resupplied to the national stockpile. We also had a couple of FDA rules, which made it impossible for the nation to perform enough blood tests to check for the virus. We had another FDA rule restricting the manufacture of ventilators. None of these were something I would say were the fault of the president. Those were all the fault of federal agencies not following procedures, or not recognizing the bottle necks that those FDA regs would cause during an epidemic.

My point is, if you're going to blame Trump, you need to also blame past administrations.

and governors.

 

[RealDave]

So the Fed is supposed to supply the states? Did you fail to keep up with the conversation or what.

Are you unclear what the national stockpile is for??

I'll tell you what is not the purpose of the US national stockpile, it's purpose is not so that states can ignore stocking their own supplies for state disasters and medical emergencies.

As I said in an early post, any responsible state government will have it's own state emergency stockpile. They should not ignore the needs of their citizens during a state wide emergency, and just cry to the feds for help. They should not under supply their emergency needs, and become a burden on the nation's stock pile, just because they wanted to cut corners, save money, and blow millions of dollars on pet projects instead.

Sorry the SNS is supposed to resupply the States when events like this happen. Not whine & compete against them in buying supplies.

 

[RealDave]

So why don't you tell Trump to stop blaming Obama for the shortage if that's the case.

Because the ass hats in the media are blaming Trump, and he's properly pointing out to those partisan hacks, that the problems with resupplying the stockpile predates his administration by over a decade.

If Obama is to blame then so it Trump. Show me where Trump said that it was his fault for not filling the SNS under his administration. If you can't, then you really need to STFU

T

 

[RealDave]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

show me that report.

 

[Wapasha]

How about just giving the link you got your post info from, instead of playing these games????

I explained it in my first response. If he'd had been respectful and asked for the links, I'd have provided them. Instead he acted like a jerk. Surprising how that works, if someone insults your character, then you don't feel like going out of your way for them.

Plus he was lazy. All he had to do was cut and paste what I said and do a simple internet search, and he's find all the links he could ever desire. That is what I normally do whaen I see someone post something that I was unaware of. I'll pick out key wrods and stick them into an internet search. If I still cannot find what I'm looking I'll simply ask if they have links to those things. But instead, all he did had insult and ridicule me further. Which makes me even less incline to help him out.

Simple internet search anyone could have done, by cutting and pasting what I said:

cannot perform enough COVID-19 tests, because we have an FDA rule preventing - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

PPE in the stockpile, because we never restocked any of it after the SARS and H1N1 - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

Preferred links:

1) Policy for Diagnostic Tests for Coronavirus Disease-2019 during the Public Health Emergency

2) Face masks in national stockpile have not been substantially replenished since 2009

3) Federal officials repeatedly warned that US hospitals lacked enough ventilators

4) FDA Relaxes Rules To Allow for More Ventilators, Finally