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Why Did Trump Take The Presidential Documents When He Left Office?

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The idea that the president could, in his head, declassify information makes no sense.

Then you better get off your ass and look into the presidential powers that they actually have. This is nothing new, Floppy. There was absolutely no reason nor justification for the raid and the proof that it was all just more continuing harassment of political opponents is that the FBI and DOJ refuse to even show us the warrant signed by the judge giving the REASONS for the raid.

God do I hope that come next year, the GOP puts the heads of about a hundred people in Washington on the chopping block for flagrant lawless abuse of power.
 

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there are things in SCIF that are not classified. if they took classified data then everyone of the FBI agents that touched or saw it would have to have the appropriate security clearance. Did they? you have no idea.
There are things in the SCIF which you now admit you don’t even know exists.

The FBI was perfectly aware they’d be coming in to get classified information. It’s bizarre to worry about the security clearances is the FBI agents and not, for example, the security clearance of Trump’s staff.
 

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You said that Putin helped Trump win in 2016. Putin owned the Clintons and could blackmail her into doing whatever he wanted, so tell us why you think he helped Trump win. A Trump win made Putin's job harder. you make no sense.
Sure buddy. Have another shot
 

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Think about that for a second.

He wanted to give Putin access to our election software after Putin hacked our election.

Brilliant idea
It did sound like a terrible idea but Russia and the U.S. have worked together in the past. For example the Space Station. The Russians have been taking us to and fro from the Space Station in recent years for a nice profit.

Plus there may have been more to the plan than most realized. We would have learned a lot about Russian cybersecurity and ways around it. We act like the good guys in white hats but in reality we mess around in governments all over the world.



For the Department of Defense, President Donald Trump’s new cybersecurity strategy means additional authority to hack foreign countries. But for the cybersecurity industry, the new American doctrine could mean a lucrative payday.

A strategy document, released Sept. 20, reveals that the plan allows for more offensive cyber operations and that Defense Department leaders “will make greater use of (commercial) capabilities that can be optimized for DoD use.”

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A key component of the updated Defense Department cyber doctrine is the plan to “defend forward,” meaning the ability to “disrupt or halt malicious cyber activity at its source.”

In the past, the NSA has hacked digital infrastructure used by China’s People Liberation Army, “then made their way upstream and hacked into the computers from which the PLA was conducting their operations,” Ben Buchanan, an assistant teaching professor at Georgetown University wrote in a Sept. 25 blog post for the Council on Foreign Relations.

“The modern conception of defending forward gives the military authority to conduct similar kinds of operations and perhaps also the ability to interfere directly with adversary operations by manipulating their devices and infrastructure.”
 

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Sure buddy. Have another shot
answer my question, why would Putin prefer Trump over Hillary who he could completely control?
 

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HEY ACE.

NO WHERE in the Garland statement does he say a word about Trump taking highly classified documents. Or that Trump wouldn’t give them back. Not only that but Garland is a proven liar who lies again in his statement! And in your second link to the highly disreputatable leftwing fake news rag the NYT, all that gets me is an ad asking for money.

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Nice Ace. This is about the level of "proof" I'd expect a vegetable squash like you to come up with!
 

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there are things in SCIF that are not classified. if they took classified data then everyone of the FBI agents that touched or saw it would have to have the appropriate security clearance. Did they? you have no idea.

Actually, it's a pretty good bet that all of the agents that participated in the search warrant had appropriate clearances. In order to be in a job like the FBI (as well as other jobs that involve national security), you have to have a security clearance. So, since all agents need to have a security clearance, I'm guessing that they specifically picked agents that had the required security clearance to serve the warrant and search the place. Now you're just grasping at straws. But keep up with the idiocy, as you are demonstrating more and more that you know nothing about security clearances.


Getting a Security Clearance​

Many federal agencies require that you have a security clearance, particularly those whose mission is national security. Think CIA, FBI, the State Department and the Defense Intelligence Agency, to name a few. There are different security levels, and the ones just mentioned often require the higher levels of clearance for many jobs.
 

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do you have personal eye witness experience to substantiate that or did you just make it up, or did the left wing media tell you that?

its amazing how internet posters claim personal knowledge of things they could not possibly know.

It is amazing how internet posters make up shit that was never said and ignore what was said too.
 

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HEY ACE.

NO WHERE in the Garland statement does he say a word about Trump taking highly classified documents. Or that Trump wouldn’t give them back. Not only that but Garland is a proven liar who lies again in his statement! And in your second link to the highly disreputatable leftwing fake news rag the NYT, all that gets me is an ad asking for money.

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Nice Ace. This is about the level of "proof" I'd expect a vegetable squash like you to come up with!

Trump got a subpoena but didn’t relinquish the documents.

Garland says they tried less intrusive means.

In their most recent filing, the DoJ says the case involves highly classified information.

 

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Trump got a subpoena but didn’t relinquish the documents. Garland says they tried less intrusive means.
Any idea which of thirteen pages it says that on?

In their most recent filing, the DoJ says the case involves highly classified information.
What constitutes "highly classified?"
 

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Any idea which of thirteen pages it says that on?


What constitutes "highly classified?"
Garland said in his statement they try less intrusive means. Reporting indicates they subpoenas the documents.

Highly classified isn’t specific, but it’s pretty uncontroversial to say TS/SCI is highly classified.
 

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You're probably rights. I don't think a jury considering an ex-president being tried for violation of secrecy acts, would accept his word that he declared them declassified particular when there is documented procedure for the president to follow when declassifying.

Wrong.
A president automatically had access to all documents, and once presented to him as president, is forever declassified for him.
The ONLY reason to ever formally go through the declassification process, is so that it would then also be declassified for others or everyone.

Once a president has been shown documents, they can never later become illegal for the president to see and have.
If nothing else, a president has the right to retain copies of these documents in order to be able to justify different executive actions.

What probably happened was that Trump simply was lazy and did not bother going through the procedures for others.
But in no way could any president later be denied access to documents shown to them as president.
That would be insane, as there could not possibly be any justification to withhold access to documents already seen.
 

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I think the problem came about because Trump ignored the requests from the NARA and when they ship boxes and told that's all it, the NARA knew that was not correct. Then they discovered that Trump still had classified documents. That is when the NARA turned the problem over to DOJ.

Wrong.
NARA has no idea what documents it are going to be sent, and has no expectations at all, in any way.
Government documents typically do not end up at the White House.
The are generated by congressional committees, the CIA, FBI, etc., and the White House would only have copies if dupes had deliberately be sent to the White House, so typically most documents at the White House are destroyed because they are needless duplicates.

Obviously what happened is that there was someone involved at the Mar-a-Lago who squealed.
That is the only possible explanation because the DOJ clearly has said they are protecting the witness who supplied the affidavit that justified the search warrant.
The NARA is not and could not be that entity.

And again, it is completely legal for Trump to retain any classified documents that he was given while president.
He just can not let others see them until they are officially declassified.
 

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There are things in the SCIF which you now admit you don’t even know exists.

The FBI was perfectly aware they’d be coming in to get classified information. It’s bizarre to worry about the security clearances is the FBI agents and not, for example, the security clearance of Trump’s staff.

Wrong.
Trumps staff would not be able to see documents in closed boxes in the locked basement.
The FBI was not just opening boxes, but reading through them.
 

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Actually, it's a pretty good bet that all of the agents that participated in the search warrant had appropriate clearances. In order to be in a job like the FBI (as well as other jobs that involve national security), you have to have a security clearance. So, since all agents need to have a security clearance, I'm guessing that they specifically picked agents that had the required security clearance to serve the warrant and search the place. Now you're just grasping at straws. But keep up with the idiocy, as you are demonstrating more and more that you know nothing about security clearances.


Getting a Security Clearance​

Many federal agencies require that you have a security clearance, particularly those whose mission is national security. Think CIA, FBI, the State Department and the Defense Intelligence Agency, to name a few. There are different security levels, and the ones just mentioned often require the higher levels of clearance for many jobs.

Almost no FBI would have top secret clearance.
Presidential staff always have the highest possible clearance, because they are well known on a by face basis, are in constant contact with the presidential family, documents, etc.
FBI are generic in terms of being unknown in appearance, political persuasion, etc.
FBI agents likely are never alone with the presidential family, documents, etc.
 

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