Zone1 Why did Jesus come to earth?

[Meriweather]

One of the homilies I listened to today said:

Jesus came to establish a Church.

After automatically thinking, "No. Jesus came...." (a list of reasons), consider without the Church, how would we know all Jesus' accomplished. Was Jesus establishing a Church (upon this rock I will build my Church) foremost in God's planning?

 

[luiza]

Was Jesus establishing a Church (upon this rock I will build my Church) foremost in God's planning?

It was the last thing he wished for

It was Paul and his elder brother James who invented otherwise .

 

[1srelluc]

We would probably have far less troubles had he looked at the world and backed away....Like Godzilla did when he saw Haiti.

 

[Harry Dresden]

One of the homilies I listened to today said:

Jesus came to establish a Church.

After automatically thinking, "No. Jesus came...." (a list of reasons), consider without the Church, how would we know all Jesus' accomplished. Was Jesus establishing a Church (upon this rock I will build my Church) foremost in God's planning?

so you are admitting if he is who he said he was, he is not human,but an alien being?....

 

[BreezeWood]

they were a religious itinerant that taught the spoken heavenly goal to sin no more to acquire judgement and admission to the everlasting - the garden is their church ... remember the sabbath - their creation, life and keep that holy.

 

[Rigby5]

People need to be more skeptical of the Byzantine Bible.
It was written from about 200 AD to 400 AD.

And it should be obvious that if there were a creator looking out for us, there would not just be one "savior", but one for each society, generation, etc.

I have no problem with religion in general, since it is good to look for commonality among all people. But we have to be on the look out for when any one group starts claiming to be the "Chosen People" with their right to a "Promised Land" they get to then select at will.

 

[Meriweather]

It was the last thing he wished for

Jesus wished to establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Knowing he would be gone for an indefinite length of time, he appointed a steward, just as kings of old did when they would be away. Isaiah relates how this was done: The keys were given to the steward, which symbolized his authority, and the steward was described as a father figure to the people.

 

[Meriweather]

so you are admitting if he is who he said he was, he is not human,but an alien being?....

I am proclaiming Jesus is who he said he is: The son of God, one with God, the word of God, the messiah who established a kingdom on earth.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I am proclaiming Jesus is who he said he is: The son of God, one with God, the word of God, the messiah who established a kingdom on earth.

so he isnt a human right?....

 

[Meriweather]

I have no problem with religion in general, since it is good to look for commonality among all people. But we have to be on the look out for when any one group starts claiming to be the "Chosen People" with their right to a "Promised Land" they get to then select at will.

Historically, Jews were a people, chosen by God, to live apart from others and to be led by God. He promised these people, a Chosen People to live apart, a land flowing with milk and honey--and He guided them to it.

 

[Meriweather]

so he isnt a human right?....

Jesus has two natures: Both fully human and fully divine.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Jesus has two natures: Both fully human and fully divine.

why cant you just say he was an alien being?....

 

[Meriweather]

why cant you just say he was an alien being?....

By what standards do you see him as alien?

 

[Harry Dresden]

By what standards do you see him as alien?

are you serious?....is god a human?...are the Angels talked about in the bible humans?...if he was who he said he was he wasnt a human....

 

[Meriweather]

are you serious?....is god a human?...are the Angels talked about in the bible humans?...if he was who he said he was he wasnt a human....

Jesus was fully human. He described himself as the son of man. He is also fully divine as he was clear God is his father.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Jesus was fully human. He described himself as the son of man. He is also fully divine as he was clear God is his father.

he was in human form so people will relate to him....his real form could be pure energy for all we know...

 

[cnm]

Jesus wished to establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Knowing he would be gone for an indefinite length of time, he appointed a steward, just as kings of old did when they would be away. Isaiah relates how this was done: The keys were given to the steward, which symbolized his authority, and the steward was described as a father figure to the people.

That's like one of those Trinity expositions.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Luke19:10 "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost".

 

[Meriweather]

That's like one of those Trinity expositions.

Not exactly, but an interesting observation all the same. When a king left a steward in charge, he bestowed all his authority on him and the steward was to be responsible for all things. The steward was also commanded to be as a father, not a despot. Are you aware the word Pope is derived from the Italian word 'Papa'. The welfare of the King's kingdom rests on his steward's shoulders. He also, in the king's absence, has the authority to rule.

 

[Meriweather]

Luke19:10 "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost".

How do we know this?