Why Can't Americans Have an Honest Conversation About Israel?

[amity1844]

Well --- why can't we?

Thought this was an interesting round table on the nomination of Hagel in December 2012:

 

[Indofred]

I suspect the problem is around for a number of reasons.

The Jewish lobby is powerful, so anyone who says the slightest thing they dislike is attacked and blocked (if possible) from public life.
That very thing should wake Americans up as to how much they're being run by a small number of Jews.

The Arms industry love US support for Jew as it increases their profits beyond anything they could expect without Israel's bastard state being around. That arms industry pays off loads of your politicians to keep conflicts going, and Israel is a wet dream for them.

The US press sells papers on the back of good stories, so Israel is great news for them as well.

As long as Americans support Israel, regardless of the $ billions they have to pay out, everyone in power makes a fat pile of cash.

Of course, that kills American when retaliation attacks happen, but what's your brother's life, compared to massive profits?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I suspect the problem is around for a number of reasons.

The Jewish lobby is powerful, so anyone who says the slightest thing they dislike is attacked and blocked (if possible) from public life.
That very thing should wake Americans up as to how much they're being run by a small number of Jews.

The Arms industry love US support for Jew as it increases their profits beyond anything they could expect without Israel's bastard state being around. That arms industry pays off loads of your politicians to keep conflicts going, and Israel is a wet dream for them.

The US press sells papers on the back of good stories, so Israel is great news for them as well.

As long as Americans support Israel, regardless of the $ billions they have to pay out, everyone in power makes a fat pile of cash.

Of course, that kills American when retaliation attacks happen, but what's your brother's life, compared to massive profits?

Indeed, they do not care who dies as long as they get their money.

 

[amity1844]

My observation is that if Palestinians had $3 billion + in military aid x60+ years they could generate quite an impressive arms industry as well.

 

[westwall]

The Palestinians have received 5 billion from the US alone. They are counted as one of the largest per capita recipients of international aid receiving hundreds of millions of dollars every year from a variety of sources.

They live in one of the garden spots of the world and there is nothing they have that they have built. It has all been built by others. It could be a paradise but instead it is a hell hole...and all because they can't pull their heads out of their collective asses to actually try and be productive.

That's the difference between Israel and all those countries that have been trying to exterminate them for the last 65 years. The Israelis build. The Arabs destroy. Nobody gave a flying **** about "Palestine" when it was just Palestinians living there.

But now that the Israelis have turned it into a wonderful country surrounded by a sea of shit, everybody wants it. The problem they have is they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. They outnumber the Israelis over ten to one in virtually every category and the Israelis kick their collective asses every time.

Honest conversation? You couldn't have an "honest" conversation if your life depended on it.






http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

 

[amity1844]

That is a lie. The Palestinians built their entire world brick by brick, and in almost 70 years Israel has no quite managed to destroy it. Much was destroyed, but most of it is still there, now owned by Israelis. And the only way they managed to take possession of it was at gunpoint.

How can people get to jobs waiting for hours at checkpoints? How can farmers tend their fields when they are separated from them by a wall of concrete? If you want productivity, get out.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Why?

b/c you think that people that don't think like you are lying.

America is stuck helping israel b/c they helped create it and the UN won't help, even though they share responsibility

 

[westwall]

That is a lie. The Palestinians built their entire world brick by brick, and in almost 70 years Israel has no quite managed to destroy it. Much was destroyed, but most of it is still there, now owned by Israelis. And the only way they managed to take possession of it was at gunpoint.

How can people get to jobs waiting for hours at checkpoints? How can farmers tend their fields when they are separated from them by a wall of concrete? If you want productivity, get out.

Bullshit. They use outside contractors to build anything of substance or size. You are simply full of crap. The Palestinians have NEVER built anything of substance. They are simply not capable of it at the current time. It would be nice to see them become capable. That would mean they had abandoned their bullshit policies, but that's not bloody likely.

 

[amity1844]

No, I say he is lying because he is lying.

The Palestinians never built any of it? This is the crap the Arabs Out Now bunch are brainwashing their minions with in order to overcome any "purity of arms" arguments when they attempt to do their dirty work.

 

[amity1844]

The Palestinians built the entire country. Check out the old videos I post for the benefit of ignorami such as yourself.

 

[westwall]

The Palestinians built the entire country. Check out the old videos I post for the benefit of ignorami such as yourself.

I don't waste my time with propaganda.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Meanwhile the Pals fire rockets missiles and mortars into Israel and then wonder why the Israelis return fire. Further the terrorists PURPOSEFULLY set up in civilian quarters, take over schools and Hospitals and use housing buildings as firing points. And then when Israel reacts to the attack the pals use human shields and claim they are the poor victims of oppression.

 

[amity1844]

you LIKE being ignorant. They were Zionist propaganda films, most of them!
Watch them. You will appear more intelligent when you discuss this issue.

 

[amity1844]

Meanwhile the Pals fire rockets missiles and mortars into Israel and then wonder why the Israelis return fire. Further the terrorists PURPOSEFULLY set up in civilian quarters, take over schools and Hospitals and use housing buildings as firing points. And then when Israel reacts to the attack the pals use human shields and claim they are the poor victims of oppression.

Although I knew nothing about Hamas when I joined this forum, everything I have heard about them here has turned out to be a lie SO FAR.

1) They gave one hour advance warning of their intention to launch rockets against Tel Aviv and advised civilians to take cover.

2) So far, the only evidence I have of use of Palestinian as human shields is BY ISRAEL, not by Hamas. Please see thread I started on this subject and see if you can answer the charges:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...es-palestinian-children-as-human-shields.html

I await enlightenment.

 

[P F Tinmore]

My observation is that if Palestinians had $3 billion + in military aid x60+ years they could generate quite an impressive arms industry as well.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

 

[Roudy]

Hey Enema-ity, you see, nobody is falling for your propaganda and bullshit.

Roll it up, it's game over. Israel is about to go into Gaza and it will keep going and annexing until the rockets stop. Hamas will cease to exist where Israeli troops stand. There will be lots of Palestinian refugees, and Gaza will will have new borders and they will be permanent. You can only blame the Hamas animals and Palestinian leadership for that. Israel knows what language the Arabs speak and it is about to speak it with them. Rest assured. KALBA KHARAB DEENEK.

 

[Roudy]

My observation is that if Palestinians had $3 billion + in military aid x60+ years they could generate quite an impressive arms industry as well.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Ya keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[proudveteran06]

My observation is that if Palestinians had $3 billion + in military aid x60+ years they could generate quite an impressive arms industry as well.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

I agree. You should leave this Country and go to " Palestine" ( The Country that never existed. )At least your taxes won't be spent in supporting the Jewish State.

 

[amity1844]

Would Israel let me in?

 

[Lipush]

Well --- why can't we?

Thought this was an interesting round table on the nomination of Hagel in December 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhi77ru04cs

Better question is- Why can't you have an honest conversation about Israel?

To busy being a useful idiot for Jihadists?