Why Are We Doing This Again?

[Darwins Friend]

04/12/06 Reuters: Four policemen killed in and around Mosul.

Gunmen shot dead three policemen just west of Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad. Gunmen also shot dead one policeman in the city.

04/12/06 Reuters: Car bomb kills 26 amid Iraq political deadlock (update).

A car bomb killed at least 26 people outside a Shi'ite mosque north of Baghdad, some 70 people were wounded in the explosion. Hospital officials said casualty tolls were expected to rise as ambulances were still rushing in with victims.

04/12/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill senior intelligence officer, three guards near Baqubah.

Gunmen killed a senior regional government intelligence officer and three of his bodyguards in the town of Khanakeen, near Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad.

04/12/06 Reuters: Over 20 dead in Iraq mosque car bombing.

A car bomb exploded outside a Shi'ite mosque in a town north of Baghdad on Wednesday and police said initial reports indicated at least 20 people were killed. The blast targeted worshippers at a mosque in the town of Howaydir.


04/12/06 AP: Gunmen kill three other civilians in Baghdad.

Three other civilians, including a photographer, were also killed by gunmen on Baghdad streets, and an attack at a barber shop in the southern Dora district left the owner and a customer wounded, police said.

04/12/06 AP: Roadside bomb kills two police in Sulayman Beg.

A roadside bomb killed two policemen in the town of Sulayman Beg, about 90 north of Baghdad.

04/12/06 CENTCOM: IED KILLS MND-B SERVICEMEMBER.

A Multi-National Division – Baghdad servicemember died at approximately 10 a.m. April 12 when he was struck by an improvised explosive device during a patrol east of Baghdad.

04/12/06 Azzaman: Iraq’s oil output shrinks as fuel shortages mount.

Iraq’s oil production has shrunk to 1.8 million barrels a day, way below average output rates prior to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of the country. The northern oil fields of Kirkuk now produce (only) about 300,000 barrels a day for local consumption.

04/12/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill two Iraqi soldiers, two others wounded in Baiji.

Gunmen shot dead two Iraqi army soldiers and wounded another while they were traveling in a civilian car in central Baiji, 180 km (112 miles) north of Baghdad, U.S. and Iraqi military officials said.

04/12/06 Reuters: Two trucks destroyed, drivers killed.

NEAR RAMADI - After killing two drivers, gunmen set on fire two trucks carrying goods for the U.S. military on a road between Ramadi and Rutba, west of Baghdad, witnesses and police said.

04/12/06 Cyprus News Agency: British soldiers ordered to Iraq.

One hundred and fifty British soldiers, based in Dhekelia, Cyprus, have been ordered to deploy on operations to southern Iraq, Commanding Officer Lieutenant Colonel Peter Merriman announced.

04/12/06 AFP: Policeman shot dead in Baghdad.

In a separate attack, a policeman was shot dead in Baghdad early Wednesday.

04/12/06 AFP: Roadside bomb kills two civilians in Kirkuk.

Two civilians died when hit by a roadside bomb south of the northern oil hub of Kirkuk, a police officer said, adding that four others were wounded.

04/12/06 CENTCOM: TWO MND-B SOLDIERS KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMBS (confirmed).

Two Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers were killed when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb south of Baghdad at approximately 9:20 a.m. April 12.
04/12/06 eecho: British base mortared in Basra, police station in Muqdadiyah
Two rockets hit the British military base at the Basra airport complex about 3am local time, but there were no damages or casualties. In Muqdadiyah, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, mortar rounds struck a police station, wounding three policemen.

04/12/06 eecho: roadside bomb wounds two in Baqubah.

Northeast of Baghdad, a roadside bomb in the city of Baqouba targeted a convoy carrying the deputy of the governor of Diyala province, wounding two of his guards.

04/12/06 eecho: Two officials killed in Baghdad.

An internal affairs officer at the Interior Ministry was killed by men in two cars while leaving his house in Amil in western Baghdad, and a Housing Ministry employee was killed as he drove to work in the same neighbourhood, police said.

04/12/06 eecho: Car bomb kills two Iraqis in Baghdad.

The third car bomb exploded in Baghdad, targeting a police patrol in the northern district of Wazziriyah. The blast killed one policeman and two civilians, and wounded four others.

04/12/06 AP: Two US soldiers killed by roadside bombing south of Baghdad.

Insurgent attacks have killed seven U.S. soldiers since Sunday, including two who died in a roadside bombing just south of Baghdad on Wednesday.

04/12/06 Reuters: Two civilians killed in Khalis.

Two people were killed and 20 wounded when a car bomb exploded near a market in the town of Khalis, 80 km (50 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

04/12/06 Reuters: 3 bodies found in Baghdad.

Police said they found the bodies of three men in different areas of the capital. The identities of the victims were not immediately clear.

04/12/06 AP: Gunmen hunt down and kill 3 government employees.

Gunmen in Baghdad hunted down three different government employees and shot them dead...Interior Ministry was killed...in Amil...A Housing Ministry employee was killed as he drove to work...gunmen shot down an Oil Ministry worker at a bus stop.

04/12/06 eecho: Suicide car bomber kills 2 in Tal Afar.

In the ancient city of Tal Afar, a suicide car bomber drove up to a busy vegetable market and detonated his explosives, killing at least two shoppers and wounding seven others, said police Brig. Abdul-Hamid Khalaf.

04/12/06 Xinhua: Four Iraqis killed by bomb in Waziriya district in Baghdad.

The source said that four Iraqis, including one policeman and three civilians, were killed when a roadside bomb exploded near a police patrol in Waziriya district in central Baghdad on Wednesday morning.

04/12/06 CincinnatiEnquirer: Milford High grad died at hands of Iraqi soldier.

As area police and sheriff's deputies prepared for the funeral of Lance Cpl. Bryan Taylor, the Department of Defense announced Tuesday that the 20-year-old Marine died at the hands of an Iraqi Army soldier trained by U.S. troops.

04/12/06 AFP: Iraqi interior minister admits 'death squads' exist.

Iraq's interior minister has acknowledged the existence of so-called death squads within certain security forces but denied any link with his own ministry.

04/12/06 AP: Ohio soldier in coma has 'beat a lot of odds'.

Waiting for an Ohio soldier [Army Spc. Ethan Biggers] to come out of a coma are his wife who is preparing to deliver the couple's first child and his twin brother who may soon return to combat duty in Iraq.

04/12/06 AP: Indiana hostage’s wife seeks to renew Iraq contacts.

The wife of Indiana businessman Jeffrey Ake broke the public silence she has kept since he was kidnapped a year ago in Iraq, saying Tuesday she believed he was still alive even though there has been no word about him since days after his abduction.

04/12/06 AP: Shiite rivalry blocks Iraq.

Bitter rivalry between two powerful clans for leadership of Iraq's Shiite Muslims snarled efforts Tuesday to agree on the next prime minister, the key issue that is blocking a national unity government.

04/11/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualties.

Sgt. 1st Class Randall L. Lamberson, 36, of Springfield, Mo., died in Balad, Iraq on April 10th. Spc. David S. Collins, 24, of Jasper Ga., died in Ar Ramadi, Iraq, on April 9th. After when an IED detonated near their HMMWV during combat operations.

04/11/06 CENTCOM: Three MND-B Soldiers killed by roadside bomb (confirmed).

Three Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers died April 11 at 3:45 p.m. after the vehicle they were riding in was struck by a roadside-bomb north of Baghdad.

04/11/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty.

Spc. James W. Gardner, 22, of Glasgow, Ky., died in Tal Afar, Iraq, on April 10, from a non-combat related cause. Gardner was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment, 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division ...

04/11/06 AP: U.S. reports death of 5 soldiers in Iraq.

Another soldier assigned to the 2/28th Brigade Combat Team died Monday of wounds suffered the day before in fighting in Anbar province west of the capital, the military said.

04/11/06 AP: 3 U.S. soldiers killed north of Baghdad, 4th near Balad.

Three American soldiers were killed Tuesday by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, while a fourth died in a separate explosion two days earlier, the U.S. military said. Another soldier was killed Sunday when his vehicle was hit by a blast near Balad.

04/11/06 AP: Modesto-area Marine killed in Iraq.

A 24-year-old woman who was inspired to join the Marines after her younger twin brothers enlisted was fatally shot in the head in Iraq over the weekend. Lance Cpl. Juana Navarro, of Ceres, was killed Saturday while guarding other soldiers....

(all this just in the last 24 hours)




Apathy: it’s what’s for dinner.

 

[dmp]

This is why:

 

[5stringJeff]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dmp again.

Grand Slam. 3-pointer at the buzzer. Hat trick. 99-yard TD pass. GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!

 

[5stringJeff]

Also, DF, do you realize that in your post, you reference some stories multiple times?

 

[Darwins Friend]

Also, DF, do you realize that in your post, you reference some stories multiple times?

Guess that’s why they said ‘confirmed’ and ‘echo’, eh?

 

[Darwins Friend]

This is why:

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

 

[GotZoom]

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

You continue to show that you have absolutely no class.

First you claim that any male who would not use his position as POTUS to get blow jobs from interns are either women or weak-minded sheep.

Then you say what you did in this post?

You have some serious issues.

Get professional help. Please.

 

[Said1]

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

 

[dmp]

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

You're worthless. If you weren't so old already, I'd suggest looking into sterilization. As-is, maybe assisted suicide? (shrug).

 

[Said1]

You're worthless. If you weren't so old already, I'd suggest looking into sterilization. As-is, maybe assisted suicide? (shrug).

<--------- You.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

So democracy should be exclusive to high minded pople like yourself. This moronic thinking. Just because you don't understand their culture doesn't make you better. The people of Iraq are "civilized." Just not by your definition. Also, you are apeaking in broad generalizations of Sha'ria law. That isn't practiced in Iraq. Also, I sure am glad that the French and Spanish didn't say, "Those barbarian Americans aren't worth it, fuck 'em." If they had said this, then your sorry ass would be singing "God save the Queen."

 

[CSM]

This person (DF) cannot be what he claims to be ... no frikkin way. I am putting him on ignore. No 35 year veteran talks this way, I dont care how liberal they are.

 

[Said1]

This person (DF) cannot be what he claims to be ... no frikkin way. I am putting him on ignore. No 35 year veteran talks this way, I dont care how liberal they are.

At 75 yr old troll?

 

[CSM]

At 75 yr old troll?

Exactly. This is some kid using his grandfather's (or someone he knows)background to make us believe he is something other than what he is.

 

[Darwins Friend]

Hmmmmm…… sounds familiar:

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

 

[Hobbit]

So we’re there so some Arabic female can vote?

The same one that had her clitoris scraped off when she was 12, so she wouldn’t ever be able to have sexual pleasure, per the Muslim teachings?

These folks aren’t worth it people - can’t you understand that?

They’re barbarians that are stuck in the 9th Century. Did you know that it’s common for the groom’s family to receive the bloody sheets from the couple’s honeymoon evening together - to show that she was a virgin before marriage?

Give it up - these people will never be civilized.

And while your ancestors were scratching their backsides in loin cloths and beating their food to death with clubs, these 'uncivilized' people had already come up with the mathematical principle they called 'al jabr' or 'algebra.' The Arabs were ahead of the curve on civilization until centuries of Islamofascism and psychotic dictators held them back.

Even if that wasn't true, and they were a bunch of filthy savages and had always been behind civilization, like the South American and African tribals, they're still human beings, and every human being is worth saving.

 

[Darwins Friend]

And while your ancestors were scratching their backsides in loin cloths and beating their food to death with clubs, these 'uncivilized' people had already come up with the mathematical principle they called 'al jabr' or 'algebra.' The Arabs were ahead of the curve on civilization until centuries of Islamofascism and psychotic dictators held them back.

Even if that wasn't true, and they were a bunch of filthy savages and had always been behind civilization, like the South American and African tribals, they're still human beings, and every human being is worth saving.

Yep - back in the 9th Century they were some hot shit. What have they done for the world since Columbus sailed the ocean blue?

 

[Hobbit]

Yep - back in the 9th Century they were some hot shit. What have they done for the world since Columbus sailed the ocean blue?

Now, if that ain't some condescending shit. If somebody has to stay useful to be worth helping, you'd have died long ago. You have no respect for human life, only what's in it for you. You're not even worth talking to any more.

 

[USMCDevilDog]

This fuck says he's a veteran? Man go some where else with this bs, you're pathetic.

 

[Gunny]

04/12/06 Reuters: Four policemen killed in and around Mosul.

Gunmen shot dead three policemen just west of Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad. Gunmen also shot dead one policeman in the city.

04/12/06 Reuters: Car bomb kills 26 amid Iraq political deadlock (update).

A car bomb killed at least 26 people outside a Shi'ite mosque north of Baghdad, some 70 people were wounded in the explosion. Hospital officials said casualty tolls were expected to rise as ambulances were still rushing in with victims.

04/12/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill senior intelligence officer, three guards near Baqubah.

Gunmen killed a senior regional government intelligence officer and three of his bodyguards in the town of Khanakeen, near Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad.

04/12/06 Reuters: Over 20 dead in Iraq mosque car bombing.

A car bomb exploded outside a Shi'ite mosque in a town north of Baghdad on Wednesday and police said initial reports indicated at least 20 people were killed. The blast targeted worshippers at a mosque in the town of Howaydir.


04/12/06 AP: Gunmen kill three other civilians in Baghdad.

Three other civilians, including a photographer, were also killed by gunmen on Baghdad streets, and an attack at a barber shop in the southern Dora district left the owner and a customer wounded, police said.

04/12/06 AP: Roadside bomb kills two police in Sulayman Beg.

A roadside bomb killed two policemen in the town of Sulayman Beg, about 90 north of Baghdad.

04/12/06 CENTCOM: IED KILLS MND-B SERVICEMEMBER.

A Multi-National Division – Baghdad servicemember died at approximately 10 a.m. April 12 when he was struck by an improvised explosive device during a patrol east of Baghdad.

04/12/06 Azzaman: Iraq’s oil output shrinks as fuel shortages mount.

Iraq’s oil production has shrunk to 1.8 million barrels a day, way below average output rates prior to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of the country. The northern oil fields of Kirkuk now produce (only) about 300,000 barrels a day for local consumption.

04/12/06 Reuters: Gunmen kill two Iraqi soldiers, two others wounded in Baiji.

Gunmen shot dead two Iraqi army soldiers and wounded another while they were traveling in a civilian car in central Baiji, 180 km (112 miles) north of Baghdad, U.S. and Iraqi military officials said.

04/12/06 Reuters: Two trucks destroyed, drivers killed.

NEAR RAMADI - After killing two drivers, gunmen set on fire two trucks carrying goods for the U.S. military on a road between Ramadi and Rutba, west of Baghdad, witnesses and police said.

04/12/06 Cyprus News Agency: British soldiers ordered to Iraq.

One hundred and fifty British soldiers, based in Dhekelia, Cyprus, have been ordered to deploy on operations to southern Iraq, Commanding Officer Lieutenant Colonel Peter Merriman announced.

04/12/06 AFP: Policeman shot dead in Baghdad.

In a separate attack, a policeman was shot dead in Baghdad early Wednesday.

04/12/06 AFP: Roadside bomb kills two civilians in Kirkuk.

Two civilians died when hit by a roadside bomb south of the northern oil hub of Kirkuk, a police officer said, adding that four others were wounded.

04/12/06 CENTCOM: TWO MND-B SOLDIERS KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMBS (confirmed).

Two Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers were killed when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb south of Baghdad at approximately 9:20 a.m. April 12.
04/12/06 eecho: British base mortared in Basra, police station in Muqdadiyah
Two rockets hit the British military base at the Basra airport complex about 3am local time, but there were no damages or casualties. In Muqdadiyah, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, mortar rounds struck a police station, wounding three policemen.

04/12/06 eecho: roadside bomb wounds two in Baqubah.

Northeast of Baghdad, a roadside bomb in the city of Baqouba targeted a convoy carrying the deputy of the governor of Diyala province, wounding two of his guards.

04/12/06 eecho: Two officials killed in Baghdad.

An internal affairs officer at the Interior Ministry was killed by men in two cars while leaving his house in Amil in western Baghdad, and a Housing Ministry employee was killed as he drove to work in the same neighbourhood, police said.

04/12/06 eecho: Car bomb kills two Iraqis in Baghdad.

The third car bomb exploded in Baghdad, targeting a police patrol in the northern district of Wazziriyah. The blast killed one policeman and two civilians, and wounded four others.

04/12/06 AP: Two US soldiers killed by roadside bombing south of Baghdad.

Insurgent attacks have killed seven U.S. soldiers since Sunday, including two who died in a roadside bombing just south of Baghdad on Wednesday.

04/12/06 Reuters: Two civilians killed in Khalis.

Two people were killed and 20 wounded when a car bomb exploded near a market in the town of Khalis, 80 km (50 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

04/12/06 Reuters: 3 bodies found in Baghdad.

Police said they found the bodies of three men in different areas of the capital. The identities of the victims were not immediately clear.

04/12/06 AP: Gunmen hunt down and kill 3 government employees.

Gunmen in Baghdad hunted down three different government employees and shot them dead...Interior Ministry was killed...in Amil...A Housing Ministry employee was killed as he drove to work...gunmen shot down an Oil Ministry worker at a bus stop.

04/12/06 eecho: Suicide car bomber kills 2 in Tal Afar.

In the ancient city of Tal Afar, a suicide car bomber drove up to a busy vegetable market and detonated his explosives, killing at least two shoppers and wounding seven others, said police Brig. Abdul-Hamid Khalaf.

04/12/06 Xinhua: Four Iraqis killed by bomb in Waziriya district in Baghdad.

The source said that four Iraqis, including one policeman and three civilians, were killed when a roadside bomb exploded near a police patrol in Waziriya district in central Baghdad on Wednesday morning.

04/12/06 CincinnatiEnquirer: Milford High grad died at hands of Iraqi soldier.

As area police and sheriff's deputies prepared for the funeral of Lance Cpl. Bryan Taylor, the Department of Defense announced Tuesday that the 20-year-old Marine died at the hands of an Iraqi Army soldier trained by U.S. troops.

04/12/06 AFP: Iraqi interior minister admits 'death squads' exist.

Iraq's interior minister has acknowledged the existence of so-called death squads within certain security forces but denied any link with his own ministry.

04/12/06 AP: Ohio soldier in coma has 'beat a lot of odds'.

Waiting for an Ohio soldier [Army Spc. Ethan Biggers] to come out of a coma are his wife who is preparing to deliver the couple's first child and his twin brother who may soon return to combat duty in Iraq.

04/12/06 AP: Indiana hostage’s wife seeks to renew Iraq contacts.

The wife of Indiana businessman Jeffrey Ake broke the public silence she has kept since he was kidnapped a year ago in Iraq, saying Tuesday she believed he was still alive even though there has been no word about him since days after his abduction.

04/12/06 AP: Shiite rivalry blocks Iraq.

Bitter rivalry between two powerful clans for leadership of Iraq's Shiite Muslims snarled efforts Tuesday to agree on the next prime minister, the key issue that is blocking a national unity government.

04/11/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualties.

Sgt. 1st Class Randall L. Lamberson, 36, of Springfield, Mo., died in Balad, Iraq on April 10th. Spc. David S. Collins, 24, of Jasper Ga., died in Ar Ramadi, Iraq, on April 9th. After when an IED detonated near their HMMWV during combat operations.

04/11/06 CENTCOM: Three MND-B Soldiers killed by roadside bomb (confirmed).

Three Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers died April 11 at 3:45 p.m. after the vehicle they were riding in was struck by a roadside-bomb north of Baghdad.

04/11/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty.

Spc. James W. Gardner, 22, of Glasgow, Ky., died in Tal Afar, Iraq, on April 10, from a non-combat related cause. Gardner was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment, 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division ...

04/11/06 AP: U.S. reports death of 5 soldiers in Iraq.

Another soldier assigned to the 2/28th Brigade Combat Team died Monday of wounds suffered the day before in fighting in Anbar province west of the capital, the military said.

04/11/06 AP: 3 U.S. soldiers killed north of Baghdad, 4th near Balad.

Three American soldiers were killed Tuesday by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, while a fourth died in a separate explosion two days earlier, the U.S. military said. Another soldier was killed Sunday when his vehicle was hit by a blast near Balad.

04/11/06 AP: Modesto-area Marine killed in Iraq.

A 24-year-old woman who was inspired to join the Marines after her younger twin brothers enlisted was fatally shot in the head in Iraq over the weekend. Lance Cpl. Juana Navarro, of Ceres, was killed Saturday while guarding other soldiers....

(all this just in the last 24 hours)




Apathy: it’s what’s for dinner.

So, DF, is this your monthly comparison of Iraq to Vietnam? The question in your topic title implies such.

In Vietnam, we supported a despotic regime simply because they opposed Communist takeover and we were at the height of the Cold War. The government of South Vietnam was not supported by the people of Vietnam. The government of North Vietnam was only supported by the people of North Vietnam who were either ultra-Nationalists and believed Uncle Ho's horseshit, or at gunpoint. Whichever worked.

In Iraq, it is the despotic regime we have taken out, and have laid a groundwork for democracy. The religious fruitloops aren't interested because they prefer shoving their brand of religion down everyone's throats. As long as the government if Iraq is fundamentally a democratic government, and still desire out assistance, why should we leave?

To satisfy those of you who cost us one war and are working on another? We didn't lose in Vietnam. We lost the Vietnam War HERE at home by the same tactic being employed today -- a media hostile to the government's involvement in Iraq/friendly with the anti-government, lying liberals who would rather face National defeat than allow a Republican administration to do something good.

Let's call a spade a spade .... if we are successful in Iraq, EVERYTHING you libs have chanted for the past 3 years is discreditted and the current administration is right. It isn't about doing the right thing. It's about the political disaster that would befall the left should Bush's efforts be successful.

In other words, you lefties can't afford for us to win.