Why Are The Left Fine With The Vaccinated Spreading Covid To Others?

[Slade3200]

If you are fine with vaccinated people getting together then you are for vaccinated people spreading the virus.

You didn't really specify vaccinated for unvaccinated regarding football games but it really doesn't matter. If you are fine with stadiums filled with tens of thousands of people then you are fine with the vaccinated spreading the virus.

If we want to stop the spread of the virus we have to stop the spread of people because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus.

March 2020 I agree with you but we proved that we are a world of retards that are not capable of a unified effort to shut down for the safety of mankind. The world is the way it is. So you can live in an idealistic peanut gallery or you can live in the real world and do your best within that world. The best we can do right now is get vaccinated, mask when in big crowds, get tested when exposed or in risky situations, keep our hands clean, and distance form people when possible… all while living our lives.

 

[emilynghiem]

No they didn't. They could quit spreading the virus. They could quit going places and spreading it. They could limit what they do and where they go. Otherwise, they are willingly spreading the virus. And, as far as health care workers go, it is actually safer for everyone for them to be unvaccinated and tested regularly than it is to let vaccinateds continue working and not getting tested, which spreads the virus.

But the unvaccinated are doing that too.

What they are pinpointing is what the vaccinated are doing differently from the unvaccinated.

If both groups are still going to work and doing business and activities in general, that factor is common to both groups and is not a distinguishing factor.

 

[Independent thinker]

March 2020 I agree with you but we proved that we are a world of retards that are not capable of a unified effort to shut down for the safety of mankind. The world is the way it is. So you can live in an idealistic peanut gallery or you can live in the real world and do your best within that world. The best we can do right now is get vaccinated, mask when in big crowds, get tested when exposed or in risky situations, keep our hands clean, and distance form people when possible… all while living our lives.

But both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated spread the virus. That is why in the most highly vaccinated areas of the country and the world, cases are rising, because vaccinated people spread the virus. If you are ok with vaccinated people spreading the virus then you should also be OK with the unvaccinated spreading the virus. There is no difference. If we had a 100% vaccination rate, the vaccinated would still be spreading the virus. That is the way it is with the Delta variant. In fact, if 70% of the country is vaccinated and 30% not vaccinated, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus 2.33 times more than the unvaccinated are.

 

[Slade3200]

But both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated spread the virus. That is why in the most highly vaccinated areas of the country and the world, cases are rising, because vaccinated people spread the virus. If you are ok with vaccinated people spreading the virus then you should also be OK with the unvaccinated spreading the virus. There is no difference. If we had a 100% vaccination rate, the vaccinated would still be spreading the virus. That is the way it is with the Delta variant. In fact, if 70% of the country is vaccinated and 30% not vaccinated, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus 2.33 times more than the unvaccinated are.

You are overlooking so many different factors… first of all the vaccinated do not spread at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The vaccines have an efficacy that cut the numbers of symptomatic cases in half so the spread from those people is far less than from unvaccinated.

Also you speak of these highly vaccinated countries that are seeing cases rise. Can you give an example of what you are talking about? I’ll be happy to explain what’s going on to you

 

[Independent thinker]

You are overlooking so many different factors… first of all the vaccinated do not spread at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The vaccines have an efficacy that cut the numbers of symptomatic cases in half so the spread from those people is far less than from unvaccinated.

Also you speak of these highly vaccinated countries that are seeing cases rise. Can you give an example of what you are talking about? I’ll be happy to explain what’s going on to you

How arrogant of you that you believe you know it all and need to talk down to others. This thing is spreading because people spread it BEFORE they actually get sick. By the time they are sick they are no longer spreading it because they are not out there spreading it anymore because they are sick. That's why this thing is spreading, because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are spreading it before becoming sick and they do it equally.

 

[Slade3200]

How arrogant of you that you believe you know it all and need to talk down to others. This thing is spreading because people spread it BEFORE they actually get sick. By the time they are sick they are no longer spreading it because they are not out there spreading it anymore because they are sick. That's why this thing is spreading, because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are spreading it before becoming sick and they do it equally.

Ooops there you go again with those incorrect assumptions. I am very for from somebody who thinks they know it all. I learn new things every day and constantly question what I think I know. You’re slipping back into you old habits and sounding like a moron again. Do better

As for the vaccinated spreading it at the same rate as the unvaccinated….You are misinformed. Look up the studies conducted on efficacy rates. Learn something

 

[ClaireH]

Did you actually read any of it? The link above is from May, it not representative of the general public and in no way shows what you claim.

One hundred percent correct. All medical articles 5 months old that pertain to COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2 are considered outdated due to updated and ever-changing test results. In order to stay current and post accurate information, it requires weekly and even daily research beyond what the overly politicized CDC says about it.

NIH, CDC, Fauci (basically acting as NIH's spokesperson, even though his NIAID org is "under" NIH's umbrella), the high maintenance ego-driven spokespeople need to be muffled. Oh wait, that's more of a leftist current-day tactic, so that is 100% wrong just from association alone. What needs to happen for public faith to be restored is publicly canning Fauci over his financial connections and past deeds related to the Wuhan lab. Until the public sees an top turnover in governmental, medical mouthpieces, as well as improved (i.e. no financial gains or connections to specific lab in question) replacement for Fauci, CDC's political take will remain irrelevant by an estimated 30% of its citizenry who read journals to learn the data without a middleman.

 

[Independent thinker]

Ooops there you go again with those incorrect assumptions. I am very for from somebody who thinks they know it all. I learn new things every day and constantly question what I think I know. You’re slipping back into you old habits and sounding like a moron again. Do better

As for the vaccinated spreading it at the same rate as the unvaccinated….You are misinformed. Look up the studies conducted on efficacy rates. Learn something

You are misinformed. Look up the studies conducted on efficacy rates. Learn something

Double jabbed carry same viral load of Covid as unvaccinated

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

The CDC reversed course Monday, citing new data, and said it now recommends indoor masks for the vaccinated in all areas of the country where COVID infections are surging.

sfist.com

Viral loads similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated people

Anew study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center and UC San Francisco shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected...

medicalxpress.com

Similar viral load in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant

Researchers evaluated Ct-values among distinct groups, namely, a) completely vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals and b) asymptomatic and symptomatic individuals at the time of testing.

www.news-medical.net

Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant...

www.ucdavis.edu

 

[Slade3200]

You are misinformed. Look up the studies conducted on efficacy rates. Learn something

Double jabbed carry same viral load of Covid as unvaccinated

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

The CDC reversed course Monday, citing new data, and said it now recommends indoor masks for the vaccinated in all areas of the country where COVID infections are surging.

sfist.com

Viral loads similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated people

Anew study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center and UC San Francisco shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected...

medicalxpress.com

Similar viral load in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant

Researchers evaluated Ct-values among distinct groups, namely, a) completely vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals and b) asymptomatic and symptomatic individuals at the time of testing.

www.news-medical.net

Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant...

www.ucdavis.edu

I love it when you turds just seek out headlines that fit your narratives but don’t bother actually read the print or check sources…. This is from the link that YOU just posted

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Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at the University of Oxford, said: “We don’t yet know how much transmission can happen from people who get Covid-19 after being vaccinated.

“For example, they may have high levels of virus for shorter periods of time.

“But the fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren’t yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the Delta variant as we hoped.

“This means it is essential for as many people as possible to get vaccinated, both in the UK and worldwide.”

The study, conducted in partnership with the Office of National Statistics (ONS) and the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), looked at data between December 2020 and August 2021 from the Covid-19 Infection Survey.

Swab tests from more than 700,000 participants were analysed from before and after May 17 2021, when Delta became the main variant in the UK.

Analysis revealed that for infections with a high viral load, protection a month after the second Pfizer dose was 90 per cent greater than an unvaccinated individual, reducing to 85 per cent after two months and 78 per cent after three.

 

[Independent thinker]

I love it when you turds just seek out headlines that fit your narratives but don’t bother actually read the print or check sources…. This is from the link that YOU just posted

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Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at the University of Oxford, said: “We don’t yet know how much transmission can happen from people who get Covid-19 after being vaccinated.

“For example, they may have high levels of virus for shorter periods of time.

“But the fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren’t yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the Delta variant as we hoped.

“This means it is essential for as many people as possible to get vaccinated, both in the UK and worldwide.”

The study, conducted in partnership with the Office of National Statistics (ONS) and the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), looked at data between December 2020 and August 2021 from the Covid-19 Infection Survey.

Swab tests from more than 700,000 participants were analysed from before and after May 17 2021, when Delta became the main variant in the UK.

Analysis revealed that for infections with a high viral load, protection a month after the second Pfizer dose was 90 per cent greater than an unvaccinated individual, reducing to 85 per cent after two months and 78 per cent after three.

As usual you only pick out a couple of sentences and ignore the huge majority of the article. It clearly says that both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated carry similar loads of the virus and the CDC even acknowledged that. And that is why cases are increasing in the most highly vaccinated places in the country and in the world.

 

[Slade3200]

As usual you only pick out a couple of sentences and ignore the huge majority of the article. It clearly says that both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated carry similar loads of the virus and the CDC even acknowledged that. And that is why cases are increasing in the most highly vaccinated places in the country and in the world.

No dude, you are not following... People who are vaccinated can get infected, they can carry the same viral load, they are not automatically 100 protected from catching it or spreading it... but there is an efficacy rate where the vaccines actually do prevent or reduce infections and spread and symptoms.

 

[Independent thinker]

No dude, you are not following... People who are vaccinated can get infected, they can carry the same viral load, they are not automatically 100 protected from catching it or spreading it... but there is an efficacy rate where the vaccines actually do prevent or reduce infections and spread and symptoms.

Dude, you are not following. While the vaccines do greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths, they do absolutely nothing to stop the spread to others, including other vaccinateds. That's why the Delta variant is spreading, even in the most highly vaccinated states and countries, because vaccinated people spread the virus just as much as unvaccinated people do. Therefore, there is no need to discriminate against the unvaccinated because BOTH spread the virus to others. In fact, being vaccinated gives you the false sense of security that you won't be spreading the virus when, in fact, you ARE spreading the virus. In fact, if 70% are fully vaccinated and 30% are unvaccinated, 70% of the spread of the virus is by the vaccinated.

And, the vaccinated get sick. In fact, quite a while ago, they quit even calling it a breakthrough case unless you went to the hospital or died, even though you got sick anyway. Hence, allowing the vaccinated to congregate further spreads the virus. Having a stadium filled with 80,000 of only fully vaccinated people would be a superspreader event. And, firing unvaccinated health care workers who would get tested weekly while letting the vaccinateds work with no weekly testing is actually the opposite of what we should be doing and stupid because unvaccinated people tested weekly is actually much safer than having vaccinated people work in healthcare with no weekly testing.

 

[KissMy]

Dude, you are not following. While the vaccines do greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths, they do absolutely nothing to stop the spread to others, including other vaccinateds. That's why the Delta variant is spreading, even in the most highly vaccinated states and countries, because vaccinated people spread the virus just as much as unvaccinated people do. Therefore, there is no need to discriminate against the unvaccinated because BOTH spread the virus to others. In fact, being vaccinated gives you the false sense of security that you won't be spreading the virus when, in fact, you ARE spreading the virus. In fact, if 70% are fully vaccinated and 30% are unvaccinated, 70% of the spread of the virus is by the vaccinated.

And, the vaccinated get sick. In fact, quite a while ago, they quit even calling it a breakthrough case unless you went to the hospital or died, even though you got sick anyway. Hence, allowing the vaccinated to congregate further spreads the virus. Having a stadium filled with 80,000 of only fully vaccinated people would be a superspreader event. And, firing unvaccinated health care workers who would get tested weekly while letting the vaccinateds work with no weekly testing is actually the opposite of what we should be doing and stupid because unvaccinated people tested weekly is actually much safer than having vaccinated people work in healthcare with no weekly testing.

You Lie!

You are trying to conflate elderly with failing immunity who were vaccinated first with young healthy yet to be vaccinated.

Vaccinated rarely spread covid & if they do it's for a much shorter time. UAE has very low death & very high vaccination rate.

 

[Slade3200]

Dude, you are not following. While the vaccines do greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths, they do absolutely nothing to stop the spread to others, including other vaccinateds. That's why the Delta variant is spreading, even in the most highly vaccinated states and countries, because vaccinated people spread the virus just as much as unvaccinated people do. Therefore, there is no need to discriminate against the unvaccinated because BOTH spread the virus to others. In fact, being vaccinated gives you the false sense of security that you won't be spreading the virus when, in fact, you ARE spreading the virus. In fact, if 70% are fully vaccinated and 30% are unvaccinated, 70% of the spread of the virus is by the vaccinated.

And, the vaccinated get sick. In fact, quite a while ago, they quit even calling it a breakthrough case unless you went to the hospital or died, even though you got sick anyway. Hence, allowing the vaccinated to congregate further spreads the virus. Having a stadium filled with 80,000 of only fully vaccinated people would be a superspreader event. And, firing unvaccinated health care workers who would get tested weekly while letting the vaccinateds work with no weekly testing is actually the opposite of what we should be doing and stupid because unvaccinated people tested weekly is actually much safer than having vaccinated people work in healthcare with no weekly testing.

Reread your articles and the actual studies. The concept of efficacy has gone right over your head. The vaccines reduce infections and symptoms, not just symptoms. Delta is very contagious though so people are still catching and spreading. At half the rate as the unvaccinated.

 

[Independent thinker]

You Lie!

You are trying to conflate elderly with failing immunity who were vaccinated first with young healthy yet to be vaccinated.

Vaccinated rarely spread covid & if they do it's for a much shorter time. UAE has very low death & very high vaccination rate.

Delta is spreading in the most highly vaccinated states in the country and the most highly vaccinated countries on the planet because the vaccinated spread the virus. How long does it take for you guys to wake up and understand that?

 

[Independent thinker]

Reread your articles and the actual studies. The concept of efficacy has gone right over your head. The vaccines reduce infections and symptoms, not just symptoms. Delta is very contagious though so people are still catching and spreading. At half the rate as the unvaccinated.

This has gone completely over your head. The vaccines reduce infections and symptoms but the vaccinated still spread the virus, even when asymptomatic. Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus while asymptomatic and with the same viral loads. In fact, that is where it spreads the most. The asymptomatic spread the virus more than the symptomatic do (mostly because they are out more and unaware) and that is why this thing has been such a problem from the very beginning, because the asymptomatic are spreading it.

 

[Slade3200]

This has gone completely over your head. The vaccines reduce infections and symptoms but the vaccinated still spread the virus, even when asymptomatic. Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus while asymptomatic and with the same viral loads. In fact, that is where it spreads the most. The asymptomatic spread the virus more than the symptomatic do (mostly because they are out more and unaware) and that is why this thing has been such a problem from the very beginning, because the asymptomatic are spreading it.

You are ignoring the efficacy. The studies show that "Breakthrough" cases of vaccinated people who test positive for Delta can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Breakthrough cases represent the percentage of people who catch it. The other percentage are the people who don't catch it because of the vaccine. Thats what the efficacy rate is.

Here read this... it references the study you linked to...

And while vaccines are still extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19, studies are showing that vaccinated people who contract the coronavirus, so-called “breakthrough infections,” may have viral loads as high as those among unvaccinated individuals, meaning they can transmit the infection.

This differs from our previous understanding of COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness.

“When COVID-19 vaccines first became available, they demonstrated a great ability to prevent the recipient from contracting any form of COVID-19, which largely removed vaccinated asymptomatic and presymptomatic exposures from the equation,” Ammon told Healthline.

“However, the Delta variant has developed an ability in some instances to partially evade the immunity provided by vaccination, meaning there are more breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals from the Delta variant than were seen from previous versions of the virus,” he said.

But it’s not all bad news.

Recent studies show the critical importance of getting the COVID-19 vaccine both for personal health and limited transmission.

COVID-19 Incubation Period

The incubation period for the coronavirus is between 2 and 14 days. On average, COVID-19 symptoms appear around 5 days after exposure, but this can vary.

www.healthline.com

 

[krichton]

But both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated spread the virus. That is why in the most highly vaccinated areas of the country and the world, cases are rising, because vaccinated people spread the virus. If you are ok with vaccinated people spreading the virus then you should also be OK with the unvaccinated spreading the virus. There is no difference. If we had a 100% vaccination rate, the vaccinated would still be spreading the virus. That is the way it is with the Delta variant. In fact, if 70% of the country is vaccinated and 30% not vaccinated, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus 2.33 times more than the unvaccinated are.

Actually there is a difference. Fully vaccinated ppl do not spread the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated, not by a long shot, nor do they get infected anywhere near as much as unvaccinated. In order to spread covid, you need to catch covid. Who is the most vulnerable? People with antibodies against the virus, or people with zero protection whatsoever? Hmmm? Breakthrough cases are not what is fueling the surge in the US, not even remotely. Unvaccinated idiots are the cause of it. One unvaccinated idiot spreads it to another unvaccinated idiot and so on and so forth.

 

[Slade3200]

Actually there is a difference. Fully vaccinated ppl do not spread the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated, not by a long shot, nor do they get infected anywhere near as much as unvaccinated. In order to spread covid, you need to catch covid. Who is the most vulnerable? People with antibodies against the virus, or people with zero protection whatsoever? Hmmm? Breakthrough cases are not what is fueling the surge in the US, not even remotely. Unvaccinated idiots are the cause of it. One unvaccinated idiot spreads it to another unvaccinated idiot and so on and so forth.

We do have a lot of idiots in the country. Way more than I thought 5 years ago

 

[krichton]

You are ignoring the efficacy. The studies show that "Breakthrough" cases of vaccinated people who test positive for Delta can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Breakthrough cases represent the percentage of people who catch it. The other percentage are the people who don't catch it because of the vaccine. Thats what the efficacy rate is.

Here read this... it references the study you linked to...

And while vaccines are still extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19, studies are showing that vaccinated people who contract the coronavirus, so-called “breakthrough infections,” may have viral loads as high as those among unvaccinated individuals, meaning they can transmit the infection.

This differs from our previous understanding of COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness.

“When COVID-19 vaccines first became available, they demonstrated a great ability to prevent the recipient from contracting any form of COVID-19, which largely removed vaccinated asymptomatic and presymptomatic exposures from the equation,” Ammon told Healthline.

“However, the Delta variant has developed an ability in some instances to partially evade the immunity provided by vaccination, meaning there are more breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals from the Delta variant than were seen from previous versions of the virus,” he said.

But it’s not all bad news.

Recent studies show the critical importance of getting the COVID-19 vaccine both for personal health and limited transmission.

COVID-19 Incubation Period

The incubation period for the coronavirus is between 2 and 14 days. On average, COVID-19 symptoms appear around 5 days after exposure, but this can vary.

www.healthline.com

Something to note, even though viral load is similar, I think we also have to consider whether the PCR test is actually picking live virus particles or dead ones that have already been eliminated by our antibodies. The fully vaccinated are nowhere near as infectious as those who are not. That seems to indicate viral load does not tell the whole story by any means. This is assuming you even catch covid in the first place after being jabbed.