Why are Democrats and their supporters losing their minds over govt RIFS????

[MarathonMike]

Oh, I've seen pretty heartless things too. However I've had good bosses and I've had bad bosses, and the bad bosses were the ones who did things badly, who ended up messing the companies up. The good ones were the ones who'd have more success.

Good bosses or bad bosses has nothing to do with companies doing RIFs. Those decisions are made at much higher levels than your boss.

 

[meaner gene]

If you can't lose 10% and still function, you didn't work well in the first place and need replacing.

Really?
So if a fire house can't fight a fire with 10% fewer people, they should be replaced?

That's insanity.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good bosses or bad bosses has nothing to do with companies doing RIFs. Those decisions are made at much higher levels than your boss.

Someone makes those decisions, and whether they are a good boss or a bad boss will define everything. I've worked for companies where I didn't know who was making the decisions, barely knew who owned the company, and I've worked for companies where I knew the owner.

Doesn't change the fact that the most important person in a business is the person making those decisions.

 

[meaner gene]

Another gubmint employee who doesn't understand how RIFs work.

A Reduction in Force (RIF) is a process where a company eliminates positions to permanently reduce its workforce. It's triggered by factors like reorganization, budget cuts, or lack of work. During a RIF, employees compete for remaining positions based on factors like tenure, veteran status, seniority, and performance. Employees may be reassigned, bumped to lower positions, or separated from the company.

This is musical chairs, where they chose the chairs, and the employees vie for the remaining chairs.

As opposed to choosing the employees, and hope they can fill the remaining chairs.

 

[MarathonMike]

Someone makes those decisions, and whether they are a good boss or a bad boss will define everything. I've worked for companies where I didn't know who was making the decisions, barely knew who owned the company, and I've worked for companies where I knew the owner.

Doesn't change the fact that the most important person in a business is the person making those decisions.

You continue to try and change the subject. THE POINT IS there is no difference between a government RIF and a private company RIF. The decision is made to cut, and the lowest rated employees go first. Period. The government has been immune and SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IMMUNE to cuts.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You continue to try and change the subject. THE POINT IS there is no difference between a government RIF and a private company RIF. The decision is made to cut, and the lowest rated employees go first. Period. The government has been immune and SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IMMUNE to cuts.

Doesn't matter whether there's a difference or not. That's the point I'm making.

I'm saying there are right ways of doing things, and wrong ways. Just because your boss is an asshole, doesn't mean you should be too.

 

[meaner gene]

Someone makes those decisions, and whether they are a good boss or a bad boss will define everything. I've worked for companies where I didn't know who was making the decisions, barely knew who owned the company, and I've worked for companies where I knew the owner.

Doesn't change the fact that the most important person in a business is the person making those decisions.

Imagine if football teams operated like DOGE.
Letting go their rookies, just because they're still on probation.
And ignore their actual performance.

 

[Foxfyre]

Good post. I'm sure that in the government RIFs just like in the one's of our experience, they cut the lowest rated, least productive employees first. Our government should be viewed as a business that provides services to American citizens. Instead it was always treated as a Sacred Cow that has grown fat beyond belief. And if that wasn't bad enough, fraud and corruption is rampant.

For far too long I think governments at all levels in far too many places have not cut the lowest rated, least productive people first but rather have cut or forced out those who are not politically correct. What is left may or may not not be the brightest or best or most competent but they will be ideologically or partisan pure.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Imagine if football teams operated like DOGE.
Letting go their rookies, just because they're still on probation.
And ignore their actual performance.

The problem is some companies are so large their owners don't understand. They cut and slash and see themselves saving money, but are they progressing or regressing? They won't find out for 5 years.

My first ever job, I saw the company get bought and sold by different investment first, all trying to make money out of the business, and some did, by selling it for more than they bought it, but that company doesn't exist now. Closed down decades ago. It had been an institution.

 

[meaner gene]

The problem is some companies are so large their owners don't understand. They cut and slash and see themselves saving money, but are they progressing or regressing? They won't find out for 5 years.

My first ever job, I saw the company get bought and sold by different investment first, all trying to make money out of the business, and some did, by selling it for more than they bought it, but that company doesn't exist now. Closed down decades ago. It had been an institution.

And many a company has gone bankrupt, or near bankrupt because the CEO fired the wrong people, or shut down the wrong divisions.

We've seen it in business, and we've seen it in government. The difference is government has to continue functioning, where a company can just go out of business.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And many a company has gone bankrupt, or near bankrupt because the CEO fired the wrong people, or shut down the wrong divisions.

We've seen it in business, and we've seen it in government. The difference is government has to continue functioning, where a company can just go out of business.

Exactly.

But for the MAGA it's all about "well, companies do it, so Trump can do it and you shouldn't criticize", which is ridiculous.

As you say, government needs to continue functioning and functioning WELL.

 

[MarathonMike]

For far too long I think governments at all levels in far too many places have not cut the lowest rated, least productive people first but rather have cut or forced out those who are not politically correct. What is left may or may not not be the brightest or best or most competent but they will be ideologically or partisan pure.

Doesn't matter whether there's a difference or not. That's the point I'm making.

I'm saying there are right ways of doing things, and wrong ways. Just because your boss is an asshole, doesn't mean you should be too.

Oh yeah and you forgot the classic "Well if it's not one thing it's another". LOL Gimme a break.

 

[meaner gene]

Exactly.

But for the MAGA it's all about "well, companies do it, so Trump can do it and you shouldn't criticize", which is ridiculous.

As you say, government needs to continue functioning and functioning WELL.

And you have to wonder why the MAGA's supported a person who bankrupted 6 of his companies. And his art of the deal secret was if you couldn't make a deal, to walk away from the deal.
That's fine when you want to build a hotel, but the deal doesn't work out. And if you want to end a war, but the deal doesn't work.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh yeah and you forgot the classic "Well if it's not one thing it's another". LOL Gimme a break.

Maybe if you actually thought about what I'm saying instead of dismissing it because it doesn't fit your narrative, you might actually come to the right conclusion.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And you have to wonder why the MAGA's supported a person who bankrupted 6 of his companies. And his art of the deal secret was if you couldn't make a deal, to walk away from the deal.
That's fine when you want to build a hotel, but the deal doesn't work out. And if you want to end a war, but the deal doesn't work.

They support him because he excites them. He gives them enough "we want to burn everything down" attitude that they're happy, getting to their basic instincts of hunter gathers.

 

[meaner gene]

They support him because he excites them. He gives them enough "we want to burn everything down" attitude that they're happy, getting to their basic instincts of hunter gathers.

The saying "Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt"
is a common reference to the ancient Roman political strategy of placating the populace with food and entertainment to prevent unrest.
the Roman people's shift in priorities from civic duties and republican values to merely desiring basic sustenance and spectacles.

Lavish public entertainment (circuses): This included a variety of spectacles held in dedicated venues:

Gladiatorial Games: Bloody contests between gladiators, often held in amphitheaters like the Colosseum, captivated large audiences with their violence and drama.

Chariot Races: Held in large stadiums like the Circus Maximus, these races were immensely popular and provided excitement and a sense of shared experience for the spectators.

By providing these distractions, Roman rulers aimed to appease the masses, divert their attention from political issues and social problems like inequality and corruption, and prevent potential uprisings.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You have a point.
People who live in Tornado alley, Hurricane alley, Flood zones, and Earthquake zones need to just move someplace safer.

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Same with fire zones, like Californica.




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[Moonglow]

What American hasn't been through a RIF in their career? I worked for 5 different companies of varying sizes during my career and 4 of them had RIFS while I was there. WTH?? This is Standard Operating Procedure. But for some reason, the Left thinks the government is some sacred cow that only be allowed to expand without ever letting anyone go. That is what has created the monster that is our government payroll and pension nightmare. RIFs are decades overdue and it should NOT be one and done. Cut, wait awhile and then cut again.

When can we stop wasting money on a chef for Trump?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The saying "Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt"
is a common reference to the ancient Roman political strategy of placating the populace with food and entertainment to prevent unrest.
the Roman people's shift in priorities from civic duties and republican values to merely desiring basic sustenance and spectacles.

Lavish public entertainment (circuses): This included a variety of spectacles held in dedicated venues:

Gladiatorial Games: Bloody contests between gladiators, often held in amphitheaters like the Colosseum, captivated large audiences with their violence and drama.

Chariot Races: Held in large stadiums like the Circus Maximus, these races were immensely popular and provided excitement and a sense of shared experience for the spectators.

By providing these distractions, Roman rulers aimed to appease the masses, divert their attention from political issues and social problems like inequality and corruption, and prevent potential uprisings.

Yep, you can see it in China.

first the people just wanted to survive, so they worked.

Now they don't just need to survive, everything's changed for them. Now people are "lying flat" as they call it, because their bosses expect them to work like peasants, but they're not.

You need to have people understand how to be humans, how to live, the problem is technology is destroying us as that.

 

[MarathonMike]

When can we stop wasting money on a chef for Trump?

I can always count on you for something stupid.