Why are conservatives clueless about our Constitution?

[Uncensored2008]

Another right wing self made millionaire on the internet, lol

Yes, your posdts show how 'educated you are Bubba.

My Cal Poly degree most suffer to yours

Must be San Luis Obispo, because Pomona graduates received a far superior education to that which you demonstrate.

 

[Uncensored2008]

why'd you run away from DP? over there we cannot call you the ***** that you are

so how many of the good california universities did you get rejected from?

Ahem, *I* went to Cal Poly. My MBA is from UOP, but my under grad is Cal Poly (Pomona.) I will grant you that the standards of Poly are vastly lower than UOP - but my kids all tell me I'm comparing undergrad to graduate programs, but Cow Pottie was still a good school.

 

[rightwinger]

Under WHOSE direction? Oops

In times of war, the unorganized militia can be called by state governors. At other times, they are self-regulating. That's not my opinion, that is the law - which I cited.

Self regulated? lol PLEASE show me where that is at?

SELF-REGULATED? LOL. Everyone knows that you can NOT trust free people with firearms.

We can only trust ARMED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes siree bob.

 

[birddog]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

Dumbass, Conservatives have always been the biggest protector of the Constitution overall ! Geeez!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Dumbass, Conservatives have always been the biggest protector of the Constitution overall ! Geeez!

Which is WHY shitflinger hates Conservatives.....

 

[bripat9643]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

Yep. She rightly pointed out that those who are continually calling for compromise are almost always scumbags.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

Dumbass, Conservatives have always been the biggest protector of the Constitution overall ! Geeez!

Only the second amendment

 

[Uncensored2008]

Only the second amendment

Actually shitflinger; you of the Khmer Rouge have focused of ending the 1st amendment over the last 4 years. The GOP has defended the 1st - SOP, the Khmer Rouge democrats at war to end Civil Rights and the GOP defending those rights.

 

[Dad2three]

Under WHOSE direction? Oops

In times of war, the unorganized militia can be called by state governors. At other times, they are self-regulating. That's not my opinion, that is the law - which I cited.

Self regulated? lol PLEASE show me where that is at?

In US Law dumb ass. They are called the Unorganized militia.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code 311 - Militia composition and classes LII Legal Information Institute

It has only been linked about a 100 times on this board.

LOL

• The reserve militia[3] are part of the unorganized militia defined by the Militia Act of 1903 as consisting of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who is not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.
• Former members of the armed forces are also considered part of the "unorganized militia" per Sec 313 Title 32 of the US Code"

SERIOUSLY?


Militia United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


GET FUKKKING HONEST BUBBA!

The unorganized Militia is every man age 17 to 45 that is or intends to be a citizen of the USA. There is no organized to it. No requirement for training, no requirement for what weapon to possess and no requirement to meet or register for the militia. It is UNREGULATED as stated by US Law.

Got it, you CHOOSE not to be honest. Typical conservative!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Got it, you are to ignorant (willful?) to follow it to the ANTI Tax Foundations numbers, lol

Here let me help you

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State 1981-2005 Tax Foundation

Cali, the largest state economy in the US by 50%, got more stimulus? AND?

Dumbass

Federal spending on WHAT, Comrade?

Fort Hood? Yellowstone?

See, you're a hack and the hate sites that do your thinking for you have no integrity, ergo the shit you post has no meaning.

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...d=1&adxnnlx=1413558267-i80xtNuk/LZ1B16BU3EaTw


GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government
GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In
Even as Republicans gripe about deficit spending, their states get 30 cents more federal spending per tax dollar than their Democratic neighbors.


Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In Mother Jones

The Obama economy has thrown a huge segment of the middle class onto food stamps. The war that the left wages on the middle class rages on, leaving many with no choice at all.

Don't argue with them over what is better.

Ask them the direct question. They set up the premise.

They are talking about compromise.

WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON?

You know damn well, they aren't willing to compromise on abortion, gay marriage, the iraq war, the economy, on and on and on.

No, on all those things, it must be their way or the highway.

It's ONLY WE that are supposed to compromise while they get their total baby way.

Don't argue with the premise, take them to task for the premise.

Doing anything else is just playing into their tactic.

Rightwinger already admitted that democrats have no intention of compromising on anything, that they expect the Republicans do all the compromising.

I actually offered up compromises ...seems you have run away chanting....RW won't compromise

You did not, you offered that if Republicans would do as Democrats want then we would have progress. Further you STATED that democrats should do nothing on anything they disagreed with or did not create themselves.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I'm still waiting for liberals to come up with REAL compromises.

Abortion?

You know darn well, they have no intention so mitigating a thing they believe in.

They just want US to compromise on what we believe in.

 

[rightwinger]

Got it, you are to ignorant (willful?) to follow it to the ANTI Tax Foundations numbers, lol

Here let me help you

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State 1981-2005 Tax Foundation

Cali, the largest state economy in the US by 50%, got more stimulus? AND?

Dumbass

Federal spending on WHAT, Comrade?

Fort Hood? Yellowstone?

See, you're a hack and the hate sites that do your thinking for you have no integrity, ergo the shit you post has no meaning.

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...d=1&adxnnlx=1413558267-i80xtNuk/LZ1B16BU3EaTw


GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government
GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In
Even as Republicans gripe about deficit spending, their states get 30 cents more federal spending per tax dollar than their Democratic neighbors.


Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In Mother Jones

The Obama economy has thrown a huge segment of the middle class onto food stamps. The war that the left wages on the middle class rages on, leaving many with no choice at all.

Don't argue with them over what is better.

Ask them the direct question. They set up the premise.

They are talking about compromise.

WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON?

You know damn well, they aren't willing to compromise on abortion, gay marriage, the iraq war, the economy, on and on and on.

No, on all those things, it must be their way or the highway.

It's ONLY WE that are supposed to compromise while they get their total baby way.

Don't argue with the premise, take them to task for the premise.

Doing anything else is just playing into their tactic.

Rightwinger already admitted that democrats have no intention of compromising on anything, that they expect the Republicans do all the compromising.

I actually offered up compromises ...seems you have run away chanting....RW won't compromise

You did not, you offered that if Republicans would do as Democrats want then we would have progress. Further you STATED that democrats should do nothing on anything they disagreed with or did not create themselves.

Go for it big fella...

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

OK....lets go there

Spending cuts in exchange for tax increases
Cuts in the Military in exchange for cuts in social spending
Immigration reform in return for tighter border security
Alternate energy investment in return for increased drilling rights

I'm game....you willing to COMPROMISE?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Far right jihadists in the Middle East refuse to compromise too.

One far-right wacko is much like another, regardless of geography.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Far right jihadists in the Middle East refuse to compromise too.

One far-right wacko is much like another, regardless of geography.

Wow! So now Republicans are akin to terrorists??????

Thank you for proving me right.

Didn't I tell you liberals demonize their opposition to give a rationale of why THEY don't have to compromise?

 

[Dad2three]

False premises, distortions and LIES, the ONLY tools in the right wings tool box. Shocking

You seek to centralize the means of production and distribution under the central authority. You seek to revoke or curtail civil rights.

Again, all that you seek for America is already in place in North Korea, just move and realize your goals.

False premises, distortions and LIES, the ONLY tools in the right wings tool box. Shocking

 

[Dad2three]

So no, you CAN'T come up with a policy. Thanks

Both Dubya/Ronnie used tax cuts that starved the beast AS they blew up spending. The next guys had to fix it!

You tell a lot of lies, you are democrat, so that's party policy.

Comrade, were federal revenues in constant dollars greater under Reagan, or under Carter? You claim tax cuts are bad, since they allow the middle class to get all uppity and live better lives, but if those cuts INCREASED the revenue of the government, what is the point you seek to make? Only that you hate the Bourgeoisie (middle class) and seek to destroy it? We know that, and Obama is doing a bang up job.

NO serious economists thinks Reagan tax cuts for the rich and increasing federal SS taxes by 60% on the middle class brought in more revenues. NONE

Economists measure it via percent of GDP

Carter had US at 19.1% his last F/Y

Ronnie took US to 17%

Historical Source of Revenue as Share of GDP

Tax cuts do NOT pay for themselves. -Alan Greenspan Former Federal Reserve Chairman


Reagan Chief Economist Feldstein: "It's Not That You Get More Revenue By Lowering Tax Rates, It Is That You Don't Lose As Much."

Feldstein In 1986: "Hyperbole" That Reagan Tax Cut "Would Actually Increase Tax Revenue."

Conservative Economist Holtz-Eakin: "No Serious Research Evidence" Suggests Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

Tax Foundation's Prante: "A Stretch" To Claim "Cutting Capital Gains Taxes Raises Tax Revenues."


Bush CEA Chair Mankiw: Claim That Broad-Based Income Tax Cuts Increase Revenue Is Not "Credible," Capital Income Tax Cuts Also Don't Pay For Themselves

Bush-Appointed Federal Reserve Chair Bernanke: "I Don't Think That As A General Rule Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Treasury Secretary Paulson: "As A General Rule, I Don't Believe That Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

Bush OMB Director Nussle: "Some Say That [The Tax Cut] Was A Total Loss. Some Say They Totally Pay For Themselves. It's Neither Extreme."


Bush CEA Chairman Lazear: "As A General Rule, We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Economic Adviser Viard: "Federal Revenue Is Lower Today Than It Would Have Been Without The Tax Cuts."


Bush Treasury Official Carroll: "We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm still waiting for liberals to come up with REAL compromises.

Abortion?

You know darn well, they have no intention so mitigating a thing they believe in.

They just want US to compromise on what we believe in.

A compromise on the 1st amendment is something like: "conservatives give up religious freedom and agree to have all Christian expression outlawed outside of a state licensed and regulated church, and the left will compromise by allowing speech that is approved of by the party to be disseminated on the airwaves."

Essentially to the left, compromise means surrendering civil liberties.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I don't think you can lump all "conservatives" into the same group. The extremists - like tea party nut jobs - are just like other far-right nut jobs around the world. They demand "my way or nothing" and try to threaten and intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. Just like a radical muslim jihadist.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm still waiting for liberals to come up with REAL compromises.

Abortion?

You know darn well, they have no intention so mitigating a thing they believe in.

They just want US to compromise on what we believe in.

Abortion is the law of the land. If you want someone to compromise what they already have, you have to offer up something in return

How about some gun control?

 

[Uncensored2008]

NO serious economists thinks Reagan tax cuts for the rich and increasing federal SS taxes by 60% on the middle class brought in more revenues. NONE

Economists measure it via percent of GDP

Carter had US at 19.1% his last F/Y

Ronnie took US to 17%

Historical Source of Revenue as Share of GDP

So when Reagan said;

{Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.}

he was lying?

Oh wait, that was John F. Kennedy, not Reagan..

As for revenues;

{Thanks to "bracket creep," the inflation of the 1970s pushed millions of taxpayers into higher tax brackets even though their inflation-adjusted incomes were not rising. To help offset this tax increase and also to improve incentives to work, save, and invest, President Reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reductions during the 1980s. What happened? Total tax revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).}

Historic Tax Cuts and Economic Growth Lessons of Lower Tax Rates

And while the 18.5% revenue to GDP for Carteer (you just couldn't resist lying.) verses the 17.6% for Reagan - both for final year in office, gets uneducated trolls like you hard, it is of little meaning, given the heavy manipulation of the calculation of GDP.

Here is a sample of what real economists - rather than partisan hacks have to say on the subject.

EconomicPolicyJournal.com Peter Schiff on the New GDP Number Manipulation