Why Americans should be scared.

[beagle9]

When that happens to someone who is Black you justify burning down stores.

And a whole lot more... Think about if Ashley was black and the shooter would have been white, and the issue would have been Trump about to be sworn back in with the black's thinking that they needed to protest his return to office, and this after they felt that they were cheated by a fraudulent election result. It may have started the race war that many have figured would happen sooner or later.

But it was the opposite situation, so it wasn't the response seen by the BLMERS or the Antifa crowd that has been seen in the past in protest of.

 

[Ray9]

Watch please:

This lecture took place in 1989. Chomsky laid it out right there. It is all happening right before your eyes. OH wait, you do not see what is right before your eyes. You are told what to see by the government and the press. I get it. Carry on.

 

[Ray9]

Boy, those Russians are bad! That's why we have to have a war. Look what they are doing to those poor Ukrainians! Everybody should go out and get a Ukranian flag! The media and the government would never lie to us. That's a rule you know. We must have a war because the Russians conspired with Donald Trump to destroy democracy in America! The Russians interfered in our elections and took the presidency away from Hillary Clinton! They are bad, bad, bad. The government says so.

Don't worry about Putin firing up those ICBM's. the government and the media say he would not do that. Washington is wonderful and we should be thankful that we have another war on the horizon! We don't have to worry about Hunter Biden's corruption. The war will take care of that!

Let's hear it for Washington!

 

[Ray9]

Just out of curiosity, does everyone have a plan for when Russian ICBMs are launched? Where will you get food and fuel if you are not vaporized by the blast? Do you have a fallout shelter? Do you believe Putin will not go all-in if he sees US weapons taking out his troops? You are awfully quiet.

 

[JoeB131]

Boy, those Russians are bad! That's why we have to have a war. Look what they are doing to those poor Ukrainians! Everybody should go out and get a Ukranian flag! The media and the government would never lie to us. That's a rule you know. We must have a war because the Russians conspired with Donald Trump to destroy democracy in America! The Russians interfered in our elections and took the presidency away from Hillary Clinton! They are bad, bad, bad. The government says so.

Don't worry about Putin firing up those ICBM's. the government and the media say he would not do that. Washington is wonderful and we should be thankful that we have another war on the horizon! We don't have to worry about Hunter Biden's corruption. The war will take care of that!

So how much should we give up to appease Putin because his army is incompetent?

 

[Ray9]

So how much should we give up to appease Putin because his army is incompetent?

Thank you for at least having the courage to respond. As you may already know history has a way of repeating itself. At the end of World War One Germany was utterly defeated and humiliated. Powerful sanctions were imposed on it for losing and its embarrassing loss was used as an object lesson for the world. The result was the rise of Hitler and a powerful war machine that tried to take over the world.

Many died to save Europe and the west was seen as next in line. It is entirely likely and logical that Franklin Roosevelt secretly conspired with Joseph Stalin and Winston Churchill to sacrifice Pearl Harbor to involve America and its vast economic and manufacturing resources in the effort to stop Hitler. The suspicious movement of US aircraft carriers out to sea while rusty old tubs remained harbored and wide open to air assault looms large in the minds of many thinking historians. Of course history was written by the victors to downplay the obvious.

This is how the managerial class rolls and average citizens are seen as pawns for the long view of bad ideas hatched by governments. At the end of World War Two Stalin quickly moved to fill the vacuum left by Hitler and the rise of state communism was off and running. A long Cold War ensued with the threat of nuclear holocaust as an unthinkable reality.

Governments are not known for encompassing intelligent, honest, humans which is why history keeps repeating itself. The US is the last remaining superpower, but its government is as corrupt as any in history. It sees Russia as a competitor for the hearts and minds of everyday people and it wants those average citizens to bow to it own central power. It believes it must utterly destroy Russia with public opinion and propaganda to move ahead with its own corruption.

That is why there is no effort to reach a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. The Biden administration made an inept exit from Afghanistan to make way for Russia's prompted, Nato-inspired aggression into Ukraine. The game is on.

The rules of the game may be final this time as Putin has the ultimate ace in the hole consisting of nuclear tipped ICBMs that can scorch the earth of America and blast it back to the stone age. Where is the real enemy? Washington would be a good guess.

 

[Ray9]

I was never a fan of Chomsky but now I am. He understood what was happening as it was happening. He was ahead of his time. I just ordered the 1988 book. In 1988 I was throwing left hooks in beer joints. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Manufacturing Consent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[beagle9]

Thank you for at least having the courage to respond. As you may already know history has a way of repeating itself. At the end of World War One Germany was utterly defeated and humiliated. Powerful sanctions were imposed on it for losing and its embarrassing loss was used as an object lesson for the world. The result was the rise of Hitler and a powerful war machine that tried to take over the world.

Many died to save Europe and the west was seen as next in line. It is entirely likely and logical that Franklin Roosevelt secretly conspired with Joseph Stalin and Winston Churchill to sacrifice Pearl Harbor to involve America and its vast economic and manufacturing resources in the effort to stop Hitler. The suspicious movement of US aircraft carriers out to sea while rusty old tubs remained harbored and wide open to air assault looms large in the minds of many thinking historians. Of course history was written by the victors to downplay the obvious.

This is how the managerial class rolls and average citizens are seen as pawns for the long view of bad ideas hatched by governments. At the end of World War Two Stalin quickly moved to fill the vacuum left by Hitler and the rise of state communism was off and running. A long Cold War ensued with the threat of nuclear holocaust as an unthinkable reality.

Governments are not known for encompassing intelligent, honest, humans which is why history keeps repeating itself. The US is the last remaining superpower, but its government is as corrupt as any in history. It sees Russia as a competitor for the hearts and minds of everyday people and it wants those average citizens to bow to it own central power. It believes it must utterly destroy Russia with public opinion and propaganda to move ahead with its own corruption.

That is why there is no effort to reach a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. The Biden administration made an inept exit from Afghanistan to make way for Russia's prompted, Nato-inspired aggression into Ukraine. The game is on.

The rules of the game may be final this time as Putin has the ultimate ace in the hole consisting of nuclear tipped ICBMs that can scorch the earth of America and blast it back to the stone age. Where is the real enemy? Washington would be a good guess.

Putin has now used hypersonic missiles in a test type situation in the Ukraine war theater, and it appears to be a test because it has our general's scratching their heads as to why he did it ? They seem to wonder if he did it because maybe he's running low on other types of weapon's or munitions system's/missiles, but IMO it could be that he's testing the weapon's to see how well they might perform, where as next he might consider tipping them with nuclear warheads ? Not sure what the capabilities of such a weapon might be if used as a delivery system for such a thing, but nothing can be ruled out at this point.

Like you say, if our weaponry is looked at by Russia as killing their soldier's, and destroying their equipment, and therefore leading them to an ultimate loss in their war even though Ukraine is using the arm's, uhhhhh what's going to be the long term effect of that one one wonder's ?

I mean here we have general's guessing as to why he used a couple of hypersonic missiles in the Ukranian theater, instead of knowing exactly why he used those missiles in theater. Not good.

Another thing, just like Putin has done in his nation, maybe our nation should do the same, and that is to can the open press for the duration of this thing, because the press are super instigator's if they want to be, and they might want to shine even if it's tremendously dangerous to our national security especially in concerning issues of this great of a magnitude.

You never know when you have a half-witted journalists that is looking for a big payday or win, otherwise be it within the so called journalistic reporting etc of it all, but yet then causes with their big fat mouths a great loss to American lives or to America whom he or she might sadly had cause to get caught up in the Russian/Ukranian crossfire of it all or worse get America caught up in the Russian cross hairs of it all, otherwise as a result of being reckless when reporting on such things.

Might be time for a journalist lock out before we get thrown into world war three by mentally unstable egotistical power hungry want to stir trouble up always types of butt head's.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for at least having the courage to respond. As you may already know history has a way of repeating itself. At the end of World War One Germany was utterly defeated and humiliated. Powerful sanctions were imposed on it for losing and its embarrassing loss was used as an object lesson for the world. The result was the rise of Hitler and a powerful war machine that tried to take over the world.

Actually, if your analogy was correct, the analog to WWI Germany was the fall of the Soviet Union, when Russia was stripped of her empire and humiliated. That would make Putin the Hitler analog. The real problem at the end of WWI was that Germany wasn't occuppied, that it was allowed to sign an armistice without the leaders like the Kaiser, Hindenburg, Ludendorff, etc. being brought to justice. This is why unconditional surrender was required in WWII.

That is why there is no effort to reach a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. The Biden administration made an inept exit from Afghanistan to make way for Russia's prompted, Nato-inspired aggression into Ukraine. The game is on.

It's kind of hard to reach a negotiated settlement AFTER Russia invaded and killed thousands of people. Russia's plan was to roll over Ukraine in a couple of weeks. That didn't happen. Now he's trying to get a consolation prize of the Donbass.

Putin has been engaged in aggression against Ukraine since 2014 when they threw out his lackey. I know you want to put this and Trump's sell out of Afghanistan on Biden, but it won't wash.

The rules of the game may be final this time as Putin has the ultimate ace in the hole consisting of nuclear tipped ICBMs that can scorch the earth of America and blast it back to the stone age. Where is the real enemy? Washington would be a good guess.

It's far more likely the oligarchs will overthrow Putin before it ever gets that far. They have far more to lose than we do.

 

[Ray9]

Actually, if your analogy was correct, the analog to WWI Germany was the fall of the Soviet Union, when Russia was stripped of her empire and humiliated. That would make Putin the Hitler analog. The real problem at the end of WWI was that Germany wasn't occuppied, that it was allowed to sign an armistice without the leaders like the Kaiser, Hindenburg, Ludendorff, etc. being brought to justice. This is why unconditional surrender was required in WWII.



It's kind of hard to reach a negotiated settlement AFTER Russia invaded and killed thousands of people. Russia's plan was to roll over Ukraine in a couple of weeks. That didn't happen. Now he's trying to get a consolation prize of the Donbass.

Putin has been engaged in aggression against Ukraine since 2014 when they threw out his lackey. I know you want to put this and Trump's sell out of Afghanistan on Biden, but it won't wash.



It's far more likely the oligarchs will overthrow Putin before it ever gets that far. They have far more to lose than we do.

You make some good points, but you must realize that people in Europe have been slaughtering each other for as long as anyone can remember. It is what they do. No one is going to stop Putin from going all-in if he chooses to do so. Regime change will never work in Russia, the system is just not wired that way. If Russian citizens begin to starve, they will assemble behind Putin and blame the US for aggressions against them.

Wahington for some reason believes it can win a Monopoly type game against Russia and emerge as the big winner. Russia can flip the table with nuclear missiles, and it knows that.

The real danger is that outside actors could take advantage of a global crisis and introduce nuclear weapons into the fray as a catalyst to atomic warfare to reset the game. Stay tuned.

 

[JoeB131]

You make some good points, but you must realize that people in Europe have been slaughtering each other for as long as anyone can remember. It is what they do. No one is going to stop Putin from going all-in if he chooses to do so. Regime change will never work in Russia, the system is just not wired that way. If Russian citizens begin to starve, they will assemble behind Putin and blame the US for aggressions against them.

Europe has enjoyed nearly 80 years of peace.

Putin is destroying his own country with this foolish war.

Again, the people won't overthrow Putin, his fellow Oligarchs will because they want their yachts and trips to Monaco back.