Who will end the tariff war quagmire?

[kyzr]

I guess I am looking for the administration's stated goals since they are driving this... or at least what you think their objective is.

I think Bessent won the internal debate over Navarro.
So the stated goals are zero tariffs, or failing that, fair tariffs.

 

[citygator]

I think Bessent won the internal debate over Navarro.
So the stated goals are zero tariffs, or failing that, fair tariffs.

Well, you can credit Trump that tariffs have been even since 2019. Was 3% for us and 7% for them under Obama. Trump moved them both to 20%. Id rather be at 3% & 7% vs 20/20% but if you are looking for even or near zero we were close to that before. Nothing screams huge imbalance.

 

[otto105]

Who left the hand grenades in the playpen?

The irresponsible, erratic and sporadic tariffmania that is wreaking havoc with the global economy must be stopped.

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“The most beautiful word in the dictionary is TARIFF!”​

Companies are ramping up warnings about the effects tariffs may have on bottom lines — and consumers

New report projects U.S. headed for tariff double-shock
of higher inflation, slower growth

Americans Lose Faith in Economy Amid Trump Tariffs

Where will tariffs and inflation stand a year from now?
Fitch’s chief economist outlines a worrisome prediction
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Recession.

 

[schmidlap]

You sound like a dingbat.

Trump worshippers need to lash out because most Americans are not swallowing Trump's crap.

American Consumers Serve Up Bleak Outlook on Economy​

 

[kyzr]

Well, you can credit Trump that tariffs have been even since 2019. Was 3% for us and 7% for them under Obama. Trump moved them both to 20%. Id rather be at 3% & 7% vs 20/20% but if you are looking for even or near zero we were close to that before. Nothing screams huge imbalance.

Look at this chart, it screams "imbalance". We make way too much stuff in China.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/05/more-than-30-years-of-us-trade-with-china-in-one-chart/

 

[kyzr]

Trump worshipers need to lash out because most Americans are not swallowing Trump's crap.

Trump is coming up on 100-days in office. You'll get your chance to vote on his presidency in the 2026 mid-terms.

Trump is at 40% and democrats are at 21%, just sayin'.

 

[schmidlap]

Look at this chart, it screams "imbalance". We make way too much stuff in China.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/05/more-than-30-years-of-us-trade-with-china-in-one-chart/

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Americans are suffering the consequences of Trump's screwing the global economy.

Consumer expectations crater to three-decade low
amid Trump tariff chaos

MSN

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[kyzr]

Americans are suffering the consequences of Trump's screwing the global economy.

Consumer expectations crater to three-decade low amid Trump tariff chaos​

Consumers had to put up with Biden's 9% inflation rate and losing $11,400 in buying power, so Trump's "tariff war" is barely noticeable.

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics, Republican analysis finds

Compared with 2021, the typical household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain their standard of living, analysis shows.

www.cbsnews.com

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics​

As I said before, people still like Republicans more than democrats, no matter how much democrats whine about Trump

 

[Zincwarrior]

Consumers had to put up with Biden's 9% inflation rate and losing $11,400 in buying power, so Trump's "tariff war" is barely noticeable.

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics, Republican analysis finds

Compared with 2021, the typical household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain their standard of living, analysis shows.

www.cbsnews.com

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics​

As I said before, people still like Republicans more than democrats, no matter how much democrats whine about Trump

Remember how Biden was losing and Harris lost? MAGA will lose next.

 

[kyzr]

Remember how Biden was losing and Harris lost? MAGA will lose next.

Showing off your critical thinking skills again? <g>

MAGA will lose eventually, that is US politics, neither party governs for the people, so its always "throw the bums out" at election time.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Who left the hand grenades in the playpen?

The irresponsible, erratic and sporadic tariffmania that is wreaking havoc with the global economy must be stopped.

View attachment 1104178​

“The most beautiful word in the dictionary is TARIFF!”​

Companies are ramping up warnings about the effects tariffs may have on bottom lines — and consumers

New report projects U.S. headed for tariff double-shock
of higher inflation, slower growth

Americans Lose Faith in Economy Amid Trump Tariffs

Where will tariffs and inflation stand a year from now?
Fitch’s chief economist outlines a worrisome prediction
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Good chance Trump will give up and claim he won....or not. Just no telling with the lying conman.

 

[g5000]

Negotiations are happening as we type.

Nickel-and-dime "negotiation".

After 90-days or so when the trade wars are settled and the economies are adjusting to the new trade deals, things should get back to a relative norm. What I'm curious about is how much revenue tariffs will rake in, $600b?, $300b? or not much if tariffs are very low.

Trump paused his tariff war with the rest of the planet for 90 days.

90 days.

Either he is dumber than even I thought, or he knows you are stupid.

I believe it is the latter because he proves how credulous and stupid you are every day.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to negotiate an actual trade treaty? It takes years. Look how long it took Trump's people to negotiate the USMCA.

Do you know how many pages a tariff schedule is?

Didn't think so.

The US Harmonized Tariff Schedule is over 4400 pages.

Trump is hoaxing you AGAIN.

After his last tariff war during Trump 1.0, our trade deficit with China hit a new record high. Did you notice?

Didn't think so.

Let me tell you how you can find out you are being hoaxed again.

When Trump announces a deal with some country and declares victory, take a look at the current trade imbalance we have with that country. Then look at the trade imbalance for the next two years.

Then you will see what a huckster he is.

Or you can do what you always do and worship at the feet of this scumbag.

 

[citygator]

Look at this chart, it screams "imbalance". We make way too much stuff in China.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/05/more-than-30-years-of-us-trade-with-china-in-one-chart/

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That's trade not tariffs. They make cheap stuff and we buy it. That doesnt show a Chinese tariff. You guys zig and zag and can never address a single point.

 

[kyzr]

Nickel-and-dime "negotiation".
Trump paused his tariff war with the rest of the planet for 90 days. 90 days.
Either he is dumber than even I thought, or he knows you are stupid.
I believe it is the latter because he proves how credulous and stupid you are every day.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to negotiate an actual trade treaty? It takes years. Look how long it took Trump's people to negotiate the USMCA. Do you know how many pages a tariff schedule is? Didn't think so.
The US Harmonized Tariff Schedule is over 4400 pages. Trump is hoaxing you AGAIN.
After his last tariff war during Trump 1.0, our trade deficit with China hit a new record high. Did you notice? Didn't think so.
Let me tell you how you can find out you are being hoaxed again.
When Trump announces a deal with some country and declares victory, take a look at the current trade imbalance we have with that country. Then look at the trade imbalance for the next two years. Then you will see what a huckster he is.
Or you can do what you always do and worship at the feet of this scumbag.

Did anyone ever tell you you type a lot of nonsense?
Here is the graph from my post #65
No matter the president or the makeup of congress, China keeps raking in the cash, fairly or unfairly.
Trump is trying to change that for the better, and all you do is whine and whine and whine and whine.
Wall Street created the monster that will destroy them, and all they want to do is buy more from China.

 

[schmidlap]

Good chance Trump will give up and claim he won....or not. Just no telling with the lying conman.

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The cry baby's throwing a tantrump is inevitable when he fails, and anyone who notices becomes a target.

I don't support corporal punishment, but the tariff wanker is in desperate need of a good spanking.

 

[citygator]

Did anyone ever tell you you type a lot of nonsense?
Here is the graph from my post #65
No matter the president or the makeup of congress, China keeps raking in the cash, fairly or unfairly.
Trump is trying to change that for the better, and all you do is whine and whine and whine and whine.
Wall Street created the monster that will destroy them, and all they want to do is buy more from China.

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You are a dipshit. If an American buys a pair of Chinese made Nike's AND has enough money to go out and eat and see a movie that is a win. If an American buys a pair of American made shoes and DOESNT have money left over to go out and eat and see a movie that is a loss. Americans spend ALL their money. The more things they spend it on the more economic value is generated.

Who do you think makes the money when we buy Chinese Nike's? Fucking Nike. An American company. The factory gets peanuts.

You guys will break this country because you are stupid.

 

[schmidlap]

Consumers had to put up with Biden's 9% inflation rate and losing $11,400 in buying power, so Trump's "tariff war" is barely noticeable.

Desperately-needed attempt at deflection noted.

Consumer expectations crater to three-decade low
amid Trump tariff chaos
MSN​

Americans Are Now 20 Percent Poorer, Republican Donor Says​

 

[kyzr]

You are a dipshit. If an American buys a pair of Chinese made Nike's AND has enough money to go out and eat and see a movie that is a win. If an American buys a pair of American made shoes and DOESNT have money left over to go out and eat and see a movie that is a loss. Americans spend ALL their money. The more things they spend it on the more economic value is generated.
Who do you think makes the money when we buy Chinese Nike's? Fucking Nike. An American company. The factory gets peanuts.
You guys will break this country because you are stupid.

That's wrong. Because China gets dollars to buy our debt.
If NIKE got all the money China would not have so much fucking money, duh.

If US consumers bought US made New Balance instead of Chinese made NIKE, US workers would have more money to spend in the US. NB and NIKE are about the same price. China would have less money to spend on their military, duh.

 

[kyzr]

Desperately-needed attempt at deflection noted.

Consumer expectations crater to three-decade low amid Trump tariff chaos​

Americans Are Now 20 Percent Poorer, Republican Donor Says​

You whine about Trump but not about Biden.
Biden had a much worse effect on family finances, that is not a deflection, it is a fact.
Consumer expectations? Ok, we'll see how the mid-terms pan out.
Americans are now 20% poorer?
Ok, we'll see how they are doing in 2026 and 2028, don't spike the football now. Democrats are TOXIC.

 

[schmidlap]

You whine about Trump but not about Biden.
Biden had a much worse effect on family finances, that is not a deflection, it is a fact.
Consumer expectations? Ok, we'll see how the mid-terms pan out.
Americans are now 20% poorer?
Ok, we'll see how they are doing in 2026 and 2028, don't spike the football now. Democrats are TOXIC.

Attempted diversions to past presidents by Trump diehards aside, history offers no solace concerning the current plight of the nation. Try to summon the testicular fortitude to handle the reality.

Consumer expectations crater to three-decade low amid Trump tariff chaos​

Nearly two-thirds of Americans disapprove of Trump tariffs​

Trump keeps contradicting himself on tariffs,​

making a fragile world economy nervous​

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