Who supports the ceasefire, and why?

[Mac-7]

There are lots of threats around the world. We can’t invade every one and give them the blessings of “democracy”. For one thing, we don’t have the money and for another democracy just don’t work for most of these threats.

If thats your attitude then why bomb Iran in the first place?

You may have only delayed the bomb slightly

If so then trump has only kicked the can down the road just like obama did

 

[Mac-7]

The problem is America’s threats don’t have to fear America… they know we change parties, change policies, or just plain get bored with interfering with other people’s countries. Our foreign policy is like a dog chasing cars.

They can wait us out because they know we will eventually leave.

You have just made the best argument AGAINST a ceasefire

The Islamic Republic is on the ropes and vulnerable to regime change from within

 

[fncceo]

If thats your attitude then why bomb Iran in the first place?

Because, thanks to the hard work of the Biden admin and lots of taxpayer cash they were getting a lot closer than they’ve ever been.

This single bombing mission combined with Israeli military action has put it back to manageable levels, for now.

But, as a country, we’re not fighting Germany and Japan. We can’t just whoop their arse and expect them to sober up and play nice.

These are much more insidious enemies, we can (and have) whooped their arses several times and they will just keep coming back. Different enemies require different tactics.

 

[Mac-7]

This single bombing mission combined with Israeli military action has put it back to manageable levels, for now.

But, as a country, we’re not fighting Germany and Japan. We can’t just whoop their arse and expect them to sober up and play nice.

These are much more insidious enemies, we can (and have) whooped their arses several times and they will just keep coming back. Different enemies require different tactics.

How do you know that?

Sez who?

 

[fncceo]

How do you know that?

Sez who?

I’m prepared to accept the BDA provided to The Pentagon by thr IDF

They have, and have had, assets in the ground providing intel, targeting packages, and BDAs.

They have nothing to gain by sugar-coating their assessment for us. They have a lot more to lose than we do.

 

[SweetSue92]

I have been done with "nation building" for a long time. It doesn't work; it's too expensive at any rate.

 

[candycorn]

ok

So how is Israel now safer from future attacks after the ceasefire?

Imagine a negotiated ceasefire with Hitler in WWII instead of total victory

Hitler still in power and fully in control of the Nazi war machine

That would have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

and so is Trump’s ceasefire

And if you’re Iran, imagine a negotiated deal with us with your blob in charge.

 

[Mac-7]

And if you’re Iran, imagine a negotiated deal with us with your blob in charge.

I cant answer that because I’m not looking for a negotiated settlement

 

[JoeB131]

I’m not so sure

It is pessimistic to believe that the mullahs are invulnerable to pressure from within Iran

The ceasefire only helps the bearded throwbacks maintain their power

Actually, what's a fantasy is thinking attacking Iran is going to help any opposition.

Anyone who speaks out against the Mullahs at this point will be labeled a "Jew-Lover".

 

[JoeB131]

I cant answer that because I’m not looking for a negotiated settlement

Then you are stupid.

A military solution isn't going to happen. This is why they stopped bombing, they realized that after taking out the low-hanging fruit, there was really nothing left to bomb that wasn't just going to kill civilians.

We aren't going to invade Iran. Where are we going to even launch such an invasion from? Iraq? We only have 1500 troops there and they are scheduled to leave in September.

 

[JoeB131]

If thats your attitude then why bomb Iran in the first place?

You may have only delayed the bomb slightly

If so then trump has only kicked the can down the road just like obama did

That's the point, dummy.

There was no good reason to bomb Iran in the first place.

Let's look at what happened here. Trump, in a rare bout of good sense, was trying to negotiate a return to JCPOA. The Zionists were having none of that, because their problem isn't so much with an Iranian Bomb as it is Iran funding people who hate Israel.

Israel has a motto, "Let's you and him fight!"

 

[Care4all]

If the admin knew the bombings would not work...

would not work to abolish Iran's nuclear program as we were told it would, or lead to believe it would, I don't think Trump should have made the decision to bomb.... it would have been better to wait imo.... for more intelligence, or for more bombs that could be used... until it reached the underground facility to destroy it or them, completely.

 

[candycorn]

I cant answer that because I’m not looking for a negotiated settlement

If you were Iran (or any other nation), would you trust the US with your blob at the helm?

 

[TimFitz]

Do we REALLY want to take over Iran?

Have we learned nothing?

They just have to wait us out until our next regime starts giving them billions again. American foreign policy is nothing if not inconsistent.

Getting rid of their nuclear program achieves the result of reducing their threat to the world.

We have to be concerned because Trump IS that stupid, and he is surrounded by stooges and yes men.

 

[TimFitz]

Its irrational to think that a nuclear armed North Korea is a good thing

Still working at putting words in other people’s mouth?

No one said that North Korea having the bomb is a good thing, as you falsely claim.

The point is that the US invasion of Iraq incentivized them to accelerate their program, particularly in the face of the bellicose threats of Bolton.

Trump’s tearing up the JCPOA, and later launching an unprovoked attack on Iran will produce the same result there.

 

[TimFitz]

If the admin knew the bombings would not work...

would not work to abolish Iran's nuclear program as we were told it would, or lead to believe it would, I don't think Trump should have made the decision to bomb.... it would have been better to wait imo.... for more intelligence, or for more bombs that could be used... until it reached the underground facility to destroy it or them, completely.

There was no reason for the United States to attack Iran.

They were in compliance with the NPF.

They did resume enrichment after Trump tore up the JCPOA. Trump owns that f’ up.

Iran will get the bomb now.

There will be no meaningful talks.

Trump declared a non existent truce, but nobody heeded it.

 

[Blaster]

If the admin knew the bombings would not work...

would not work to abolish Iran's nuclear program as we were told it would, or lead to believe it would, I don't think Trump should have made the decision to bomb.... it would have been better to wait imo.... for more intelligence, or for more bombs that could be used... until it reached the underground facility to destroy it or them, completely.

The sites were destroyed.

 

[Godboy]

So who supports the ceasefire?

As the song says “it aint me babe”

The ceasefire is only good for Iran, russia snd china

From America and Israel’s point of view it is pointless

The goal should be regime change in Iran

Otherwise bombing the nuke facilities was just a waste of time

Trump is totally out to lunch on this one

I agree with you, but its political poison for Trump and the midterms.

 

[TimFitz]

If thats your attitude then why bomb Iran in the first place?

You may have only delayed the bomb slightly

If so then trump has only kicked the can down the road just like obama did

Funny, those were the questions most people asked.

Trump all but assured that Iran will move to complete development of nuclear weapons.

 

[TimFitz]

The sites were destroyed.

Clearly not.