Who pays tariffs?

[Nostra]

Tariffs are targeted. Corp taxes hit all corps WITHIN the nation .

A tariff raises costs on externally produced items making internally produced items more attractive. But if we don’t produce those items in the quantities required they are useless.

So corporate taxes are way worse on working folks than tariffs.

 

[Lesh]

So corporate taxes are way worse on working folks than tariffs.

Nope

 

[jc456]

These jobs aren't coming back because Americans no longer have the low end skills like sewing, to provide workers to do them. The fabric mills are gone too. And there is no way an American company can make a shirt from American made fabric and sell it for $20.

Well they won’t come back unless one fights for them. I care about Americans

 

[Nostra]

Nope

Why not? You said they hit every corp. Who pays those corporate taxes, simp?

 

[SweetTea]

Not always is the worker laid off what they do is make the cost of their tarring match the cost of the Americans product … example cars … say what you want but a Honda is better than any American made car… so I don’t agree with your statements here … a lot of the time say for example cars the raise the Honda a 100 dollars… they inturn raise the Gm or for or Chrysler cars 100 dollars it offsets the loss but as we all know it raised the cost of the car or what ever they put that tariff on …

This is not how it business works. If Honda is a better car and it costs $100 more, GM and Chrysler would be smart not to mark up the price on their product to entice people to buy a product of a little less quality in exchange for less money. Of course, it isn’t as common for the foreign product to be of better quality, certainly not among the products to which we are talking about adding tariffs.

democrats use the taxes in the general fund to pay for their programs … plus’s they go through the CBO to confirm that new prograham not only pays for itself but it makes money for us … something you republicans see to leave out … you just squeal out they are taxing us …

Are you attempting to say that Democrat’s government programs are effiecient? Wow, just wow. Neither party’s programs(99%) are efficient. Not even close.

Now for corporations the pay the least amount in taxes of anybody … but cutting their tax us what happens is your taxes have to go up and pay for the loss to the tax base… you guys have this idea the less taxes corporation pay the more money we will get … how’s that bee working for you in 2025 their tax cut ends … cutting your taxes an a corporation doesn’t make it better for you…

Lower corporate taxes means more investments in startups, more corporations, more jobs which all equate to more tax revenue in the long run. Democrats think in the VERY short term. If raising taxes simply generates more government revenue with no negative effect on the economy, why not raise the corporate taxes to 85% and raise taxes on those that make over 100k to 85% as well? I think reasonable people would agree there is a balance. The most successful countries have their corporate tax rates set between 20 and 25%. The US is currently at 21%, which is right where it needs to be. Harris and the Democrats want to raise the US to 28%. Not too smart, but they play on the ignorance of the general public and the “greedy corporations” rhetoric.

 

[SweetTea]

So corporate taxes are way worse on working folks than tariffs.

I was going to replay to his post, but decided it wasn’t worth my time. I guess he doesn’t even understand what he posted.

 

[jc456]

Not always is the worker laid off what they do is make the cost of their tarring match the cost of the Americans product … example cars … say what you want but a Honda is better than any American made car… so I don’t agree with your statements here … a lot of the time say for example cars the raise the Honda a 100 dollars… they inturn raise the Gm or for or Chrysler cars 100 dollars it offsets the loss but as we all know it raised the cost of the car or what ever they put that tariff on …

this isn't even logical, so it appears made up.

now this a typical rant from the right thinking the tarring is a good thing they are the worst thing any leader can do …it makes your cost on what ever they put it on every thing goes up …period did you pay higher taxes last year ??? no you did not … democrats use the taxes in the general fund to pay for their programs … plus’s they go through the CBO to confirm that new prograham not only pays for itself but it makes money for us … something you republicans see to leave out … you just squeal out they are taxing us …

How does it make the american product go up, when the american product is already more expensive and the purpose of the tariff in the first place to equal the value. Again, made up by you.

Now for corporations the pay the least amount in taxes of anybody … but cutting their tax us what happens is your taxes have to go up and pay for the loss to the tax base… you guys have this idea the less taxes corporation pay the more money we will get … how’s that bee working for you in 2025 their tax cut ends … cutting your taxes an a corporation doesn’t make it better for you…

Nope again, again, the purpose of the tax breaks is so the corporations create jobs, and those new hires pay the taxes from their earnings. Fk you demofks have no fking clue about how this works. Seriously!!

Or from South Park, Cereal

 

[jc456]

This is not how it business works. If Honda is a better car and it costs $100 more, GM and Chrysler would be smart not to mark up the price on their product to entice people to buy a product of a little less quality in exchange for less money. Of course, it isn’t as common for the foreign product to be of better quality, certainly not among the products to which we are talking about adding tariffs.



Are you attempting to say that Democrat’s government programs are effiecient? Wow, just wow. Neither party’s programs(99%) are efficient. Not even close.



Lower corporate taxes means more investments in startups, more corporations, more jobs which all equate to more tax revenue in the long run. Democrats think in the VERY short term. If raising taxes simply generates more government revenue with no negative effect on the economy, why not raise the corporate taxes to 85% and raise taxes on those that make over 100k to 85% as well? I think reasonable people would agree there is a balance. The most successful countries have their corporate tax rates set between 20 and 25%. The US is currently at 21%, which is right where it needs to be. Harris and the Democrats want to raise the US to 28%. Not too smart, but they play on the ignorance of the general public and the “greedy corporations” rhetoric.

that stupid fk must have problems finding the toilet.

 

[Lesh]

Why not? You said they hit every corp. Who pays those corporate taxes, simp?

When all producers get hit equally it leaves room for some to cut profits and gain market share. That’s called competition

 

[billyerock123]

This is not how it business works. If Honda is a better car and it costs $100 more, GM and Chrysler would be smart not to mark up the price on their product to entice people to buy a product of a little less quality in exchange for less money. Of course, it isn’t as common for the foreign product to be of better quality, certainly not among the products to which we are talking about adding tariffs.

which you don't get honda cars are way cheaper than GM cars they can drop the price at the dealership to be less money than GM cars they do it all the time... how do I know I always buy new cars I've gone to GM, Ford, or Chrysler ... then to Honda what I see as comparable cars Honda is thousand's of dollars cheaper as you can see honda has a big wiggle room ...

Are you attempting to say that Democrat’s government programs are effiecient? Wow, just wow. Neither party’s programs(99%) are efficient. Not even close.

looks like you're wrong here too...

Lower corporate taxes means more investments in startups, more corporations, more jobs which all equate to more tax revenue in the long run. Democrats think in the VERY short term. If raising taxes simply generates more government revenue with no negative effect on the economy, why not raise the corporate taxes to 85% and raise taxes on those that make over 100k to 85% as well? I think reasonable people would agree there is a balance. The most successful countries have their corporate tax rates set between 20 and 25%. The US is currently at 21%, which is right where it needs to be. Harris and the Democrats want to raise the US to 28%. Not too smart, but they play on the ignorance of the general public and the “greedy corporations” rhetoric.

seems the Democrats have stopped the country from crashing from all of your party's tax cuts by how ??? putting those taxes back to stop the market from crashing... from car companies from going under... stopping banks from closing... after all of your worthless leadership from the right ... if they aren't crashing companies they causing retirement programs to go under ... look how well Biden has done ... he as stop so many things from crashing that you republicans caused and the only crap you guys say, that the Biden economics has failed... but you don't say where it failed ...the Democrats didn't t in fail the market, they didn't fail in getting the country restarted after trump kill all those people by poor leadership more ways then one ... so Don't start these Dems do nothing crap ,,, WHY ??? we are too busy stopping your republican messes ... finally, as you can see they would have to put more than a 20,000 dollar Tariff to cause Honda some competition and they still can cut the cost of their cars you moron

 

[jc456]

When all producers get hit equally it leaves room for some to cut profits and gain market share. That’s called competition

you really haven't a clue. There's absolutely no help for people like you who have no idea how taxing actually works. fk, what a waste of oxygen

 

[billyerock123]

this isn't even logical, so it appears made up.

Of course I made some of it up I use easy exampled if you can’t understand what I was say that’s your problem … I’ll make it easy rot you … if the United States raises the tariff on it by one hundred dollars the mfg (that’s the manufacture) they raise it here 100 dollars … can’t make it any simpler for the simple minded people like you…

How does it make the american product go up, when the american product is already more expensive and the purpose of the tariff in the first place to equal the value. Again, made up by you.

Are you really this stupid it doesn’t make the American product go up… it makes their product in American go up … Jesus are you really this simple minded

Nope again, again, the purpose of the tax breaks is so the corporations create jobs, and those new hires pay the taxes from their earnings. Fk you demofks have no fking clue about how this works. Seriously!!

Here’s a thought for the simple minded people like you … did you get a tax cut when Trump cut the taxes for the corporations ??? The answer to that is no you didn’t get a tax cut… your taxes went up … did the hiring go up after trump cut taxes for the rich??? They did no hiring … were there a lot of jobs under trump because of his tax cut’s ??? no there wasn’t … when he left office the jobs were going south all because of hTrumps poor leader ship … he did nothing for the people but his hotels made money for the first time … you speak of these earnings but that never happen … you see when taxes are cut the items that tax cut was paying for has to be replaced … that’s why our taxes went up under trump you moron…

 

[CowboyTed]

See my multiple and lengthy answering of this question.

The U.S treasury takes in the funds. If a company chooses to pass that on to the consumer that is up to them, you as a consumer don't have to buy Made in China.

Tariffs are VERY popular worldwide. Best applied in my opinion to abusive trade nations or to reciprocate their tariff.

Now I am not a big supporter of tariffs except in strategic situations. As a technical reality though, in short, NO, consumers do NOT pay directly for the tariff.

Thanks for showing us that you know fuck all about how economics works..

Next you are going to tell us the magic of how Tax Cuts help regular people... That is a real work of fiction..

 

[CowboyTed]

No one is forcing you to buy any of these products. If a guy charges $1 some other local person will improve processes and find a way to undercut the price, or, improve the product. Good for local capitalism, no?


This isn't bread, milk or gas, you don't need to purchase said goods, many supported by slave labor and government subsidies.

As a bonus, the government uses the tariffs for citizens benefit and, it encourages jobs to be generated in the U.S.

America isn't the only nation that applies tariffs stop pretending that this is something new. When you are trading so many hundreds of billions with a communist country you had better learn to fight fire with fire.

So you are saying that Americans can go without TVs, Phones, Computers, Tablets....

Just can't figure out why you are not running for office..

 

[jc456]

Of course I made some of it up I use easy exampled if you can’t understand what I was say that’s your problem … I’ll make it easy rot you … if the United States raises the tariff on it by one hundred dollars the mfg (that’s the manufacture) they raise it here 100 dollars … can’t make it any simpler for the simple minded people like you…

Correct, now that incoming part is equal to the part made in the US. Buy American. Could bring back jobs as well.

Are you really this stupid it doesn’t make the American product go up… it makes their product in American go up … Jesus are you really this simple minded

It actually does. It's the reason to do it. Make the incoming crap the same price as American made so people buy American made instead of the cheaper child labor part.

I think you are confused.

Here’s a thought for the simple minded people like you … did you get a tax cut when Trump cut the taxes for the corporations ???

When did he only give tax cut to corporations? I got a tax cut indeed from Trump. Why didn't you?

The answer to that is no you didn’t get a tax cut… your taxes went up

nope, that's just more made up shit by you. You obviously don't have any clue how the brackets work for everyone.

… did the hiring go up after trump cut taxes for the rich???

Since that didn't happen, then you don't have a legitimate scenario.

They did no hiring … were there a lot of jobs under trump because of his tax cut’s ??? no there wasn’t … when he left office the jobs were going south all because of hTrumps poor leader ship … he did nothing for the people but his hotels made money for the first time … you speak of these earnings but that never happen … you see when taxes are cut the items that tax cut was paying for has to be replaced … that’s why our taxes went up under trump you moron…

Trump had the highest employment run. So factually, you're incorrect.

 

[SweetTea]

which you don't get honda cars are way cheaper than GM cars they can drop the price at the dealership to be less money than GM cars they do it all the time... how do I know I always buy new cars I've gone to GM, Ford, or Chrysler ... then to Honda what I see as comparable cars Honda is thousand's of dollars cheaper as you can see honda has a big wiggle room ... View attachment 1013068View attachment 1013067

looks like you're wrong here too...

seems the Democrats have stopped the country from crashing from all of your party's tax cuts by how ??? putting those taxes back to stop the market from crashing... from car companies from going under... stopping banks from closing... after all of your worthless leadership from the right ... if they aren't crashing companies they causing retirement programs to go under ... look how well Biden has done ... he as stop so many things from crashing that you republicans caused and the only crap you guys say, that the Biden economics has failed... but you don't say where it failed ...the Democrats didn't t in fail the market, they didn't fail in getting the country restarted after trump kill all those people by poor leadership more ways then one ... so Don't start these Dems do nothing crap ,,, WHY ??? we are too busy stopping your republican messes ... finally, as you can see they would have to put more than a 20,000 dollar Tariff to cause Honda some competition and they still can cut the cost of their cars you moron

Democrats don't clean up anything. They causes messes. They are economically illiterate. Small business owners are heavily Republican for a reason. They understand how business works. Democrats don't or they don't care.

As for the price of cars, did you ever think that our cars are more expensive because of, in part, Unions jacking up the salaries of those building them? If US care manufacturers are dumb enough to pay a guy 130k/yr to put some bolts on a car on an assembly line then they deserve what they get.

 

[SweetTea]

DE-REGULATING CORPORATIONS Wont help the working or middle class.
Regulations are there to help PROTECT the working & middle class.
COPORATIONS are making RECORD profits.
They do not need any help.

How is not increasing their taxes de-regulating?

 

[shockedcanadian]

So you are saying that Americans can go without TVs, Phones, Computers, Tablets....

Just can't figure out why you are not running for office..

South Korea, Japan and America also produce such products.

Why can't the same company that manufactures these products in China do so in America?

You choose, cheap junk or pay a little more and decrease significantly the chance that one of the next 500 nuclear missiles China is producing doesn't land on your city.

 

[billyerock123]

Democrats don't clean up anything. They causes messes. They are economically illiterate. Small business owners are heavily Republican for a reason. They understand how business works. Democrats don't or they don't care.

As for the price of cars, did you ever think that our cars are more expensive because of, in part, Unions jacking up the salaries of those building them? If US care manufacturers are dumb enough to pay a guy 130k/yr to put some bolts on a car on an assembly line then they deserve what they get.

Now this is the stupidest thing I have ever read … not just democrats but every economist has said that democrats fix Republican messes … what’s wrong with you ??? I guess you know better … they cause the market to fall you say trump is your man… really here are all of the Reagan administration republicans they have come out and said they recommend the republicans in this country should vote for Harris .. all of both bush administration have come out telling the republicans don’t vote for trump vote for Harris … what the hell do you have to have to realize you are going down the wrong path … what does it take for you to understand that Donald trump is the worst thing this country could ever have??? what does it take … these people have been loyal republicans all their lives and they are saying to you don’t vote for trump … what does it take for you to see the light…

 

[SweetTea]

Now this is the stupidest thing I have ever read … not just democrats but every economist has said that democrats fix Republican messes … what’s wrong with you ??? I guess you know better … they cause the market to fall you say trump is your man… really here are all of the Reagan administration republicans they have come out and said they recommend the republicans in this country should vote for Harris .. all of both bush administration have come out telling the republicans don’t vote for trump vote for Harris … what the hell do you have to have to realize you are going down the wrong path … what does it take for you to understand that Donald trump is the worst thing this country could ever have??? what does it take … these people have been loyal republicans all their lives and they are saying to you don’t vote for trump … what does it take for you to see the light…

Did you say all economists have said that Democrats fix Republican messes? That is simply untrue. Academia, where many economists work, are notoriously leftist to a fault. They are great at theory, but not so good in reality. Political ideology influences their "expertise". It is a shame, but it is happening in science as well. It shouldn't, but it does. Facts take a back seat to their ideology. I blame education indoctrination which has been at play for quite some time in our country courtesy of our enemies slow playing us. I know you won't understand, but at least try to put 2 and 2 together.

Economists Aren’t As Nonpartisan As We Think

Now, couple that with the fact that there are 4.5 Democrat economist for every 1 Republican in academia and maybe you can see the problem. They aren't Democrats because of their economic beliefs as evidenced by the overwhelming number of Democrats in other fields of non-political academics. This study is from 2017. Given the direction of education, I would expect these numbers to be higher now.

https://www.natcom.org/sites/default/files/publications/NCA_C-Brief_2017_March.pdf

Bush Republicans are Democrat light. I don't care what they say.