who is the great whore in Revelation?

[Votto]

Not being sarcastic but I do not know what religion she is and do not care.....

Right, religion only becomes an issue if they are a Republican, as pretty much everything else becomes an issue

 

[Phillip]

Right, religion only becomes an issue if they are a Republican, as pretty much everything else becomes an issue

No....Republican or Democrat religion has always been an issue ever this country (US) was formed...Jefferson, Franklin all saw the problem religion creates..

No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever.

Thomas Jefferson

And of course my favorite Ben Franklin quote:

Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.

Ben Franklin.

You can throw Republican or Democrat out the window when it comes to religion........

 

[Care4all]

God had a single religion in the OT. They were cut off for denying Christ and sending him to his death. So YES Jesus did start a new religion. That is ok if Paul named it christianity. How could there be any unity unless they gathered together and learned truth? And as billions have read in Revelation-Jesus spoke to 7 seperate congregations. Some bibles say church but its a mistranslation of the greek word-Congregation is correct.

Yes, there is a New Covenant for Christians, but Jesus Christ specifically said, He was not here to abolish The Law, but to fulfill The Law.... He never threw out the Law...??

 

[kjw47]

One must remember the opening paragraph of Revelation. The book is a book of symbolism, not literalism. Its a book of things "signified" to John as revealed by an angel sent by the Lord........OF THINGS TO "SHORTLY TAKE PLACE". The book was written in the late 1st century sometime in the 90s AD. Therefore..........the whore of Babylon must have existed sometime in the early to mid 2nd century. As the very last chapter of Revelation declares, "And He said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND." -- Rev. 22:10

The Roman Empire is the harlot and the whore. The Harlot holds a rich cup (Rev. 17:4), but its filled with filth. We are informed that cup is filled with the blood of "martyrs" ( Rev. 7:6). One can see the clear reference to Isaiah (29:9, and Habakkuk/Hebrew Bible 2:5)

The Harlot sits on many waters (Rev. 17:1), so we are addressing a sea port city. She rules over many different nationalities (Rev. 17:15). This brings to mind the prophecies in Daniel concerning the Roman Empire (Daniel 2:42-43), Rome's might (the iron) was Rome's ability to conquer, but its weakness was it could not mold the conquered nations into a sing whole (iron mixed with clay).

She sprawls on a beast that lays on 7 hills (Rev. 17:9). Rome is a city on 7 hills.

Christianity overcome Rome and eventually it was declared the State Religion of the Roman Empire. Its true that Rome corrupted the church with man made traditions and decrees, in things not authorized in the Holy Scriptures.

Satan's greatest weapon is deceit.......using deceit he attempts to divide the church and make it weak.

The religion that came out of Rome-is the worst= the great apostasy. The son destruction( peredition) Foretold to rise before the true religion came back. 2Thess 2:3

Religion being referred to as a whore is symbolic.

 

[kjw47]

The Bible tells us over and oveer again who the Whore of Babylon is.

Well please share.

 

[kjw47]

God had a single religion in the OT huh......Well you know what I can buy that since Judaism is older than christianity and islam and both are off shoots of it...What I am getting at is that he did not "PROCLAIM" a religion....He never stood up and said "hey I am creating a religion"....We all know Jesus was a Jew right? We all know that he was strung up on a stick right? And considering the NT was written long, long after he was strung up on that stick we only have the words of people who never saw him (exception being John the Baptists) That are quoting what they have heard others say.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John saw .
Judaism was cut off of being Gods chosen--Fact 7 congregations mentioned in revelation.
They gatherd together in small groups in houses until it built up to be a big religion. Paul started many congregations. Jesus brought the truth, so he started it all.

 

[kjw47]

Yes, there is a New Covenant for Christians, but Jesus Christ specifically said, He was not here to abolish The Law, but to fulfill The Law.... He never threw out the Law...??

Yes, but it says law will be written on ones heart.
If one possessed the love Jesus spoke about--They wouldnt even consider-stealing from their brothers. Committing adultery on their mate. Hating one another, etc,etc,etc.

 

[surada]

Well please share.

I have already posted the whole list of scriptures twice.

 

[kjw47]

I have already posted the whole list of scriptures twice.

Its all false religion. They are about to fall.

 

[surada]

Well please share.

2 Kings 17:14-16

This was Israel's great sin, typified as prostitution: debasing themselves and God through the adoption and practice of the way of the heathen, and rejecting the way, providence, and sovereignty of God for something far inferior, corrupting, and shameful.

In the midst of His law, God warns Israel—and thus us as the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)—that to do things as the heathens do them constitutes harlotry. His terminology is in His instructions to Israel in Leviticus 20:2-8 is extremely clear.

 

[surada]

Jeremiah 3:1-5

Jeremiah wrote this over 400 years after Israel's rejection of God as King and about 840 years after making the covenant at Mount Sinai. Even though by the time of this writing God had divorced the Great Harlot Israel, He still continued to have a fractious relationship with her in order to continue the outworking of His purpose and to fulfill His promises to Abraham, including all the end-time prophecies. In other words, He was not yet finished with Israel.

 

[kjw47]

2 Kings 17:14-16

This was Israel's great sin, typified as prostitution: debasing themselves and God through the adoption and practice of the way of the heathen, and rejecting the way, providence, and sovereignty of God for something far inferior, corrupting, and shameful.

In the midst of His law, God warns Israel—and thus us as the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)—that to do things as the heathens do them constitutes harlotry. His terminology is in His instructions to Israel in Leviticus 20:2-8 is extremely clear.

Nice Surada, Yes turning to false religious practices is what they did many x and fell. Do you know why? God warned them over and over not to take foreign wives, they did not listen, Even Solomon fell to false god worship.. Thus today-99.9% of all religion is false. Every one of them basically Gets involved with things of this world.

 

[surada]

Nice Surada, Yes turning to false religious practices is what they did many x and fell. Do you know why? God warned them over and over not to take foreign wives, they did not listen, Even Solomon fell to false god worship.. Thus today-99.9% of all religion is false. Every one of them basically Gets involved with things of this world.

All the patriarchs had foreign wives including Moses and Abraham, David, Solomon etc. Ezra said no more foreign wives AFTER the Babylonian exile.

 

[kjw47]

All the patriarchs had foreign wives including Moses and Abraham, David, Solomon etc. Ezra said no more foreign wives AFTER the Babylonian exile.

Some practiced false god worship because of taking foreign wives. Many kings fell to that and mislead the people. Yet God forgave them over and over once they repented.

 

[surada]

Some practiced false god worship because of taking foreign wives. Many kings fell to that and mislead the people. Yet God forgave them over and over once they repented.

Why are you taking this thread off topic? All the prophets would scold Israel for "whoring after false gods".. Its pretty over the top to call them harlots and whores, but then the language is dramatic.

 

[DudleySmith]

Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson's appeal to the Baptist vote.

So you found two Founders you can cherry pick quotes from. Why is it nobody ever has quotes from the other 200 hundred or so 'Founders'?

In any case, it's an indisputable fact that the establishment clause did not restrict the states, just the Fed, as has been proven beyond any doubt several thousand times on this board and probably hundreds of millions of times over the years elsewhere. TRy a new gimmick.

 

[DudleySmith]

One can be 'anti-clericalism' without being anti-Catholic. Speaking of Jefferson, he used Federal funds to finance missionaries to indian tribes, including Catholic priests, and attended church services as President in two Federal buildings, Congress and the Treasury; obviously his version of 'separation of church and state' doesn't remotely resemble the dishonest representations constantly being implied by assorted commies and sexual deviants.

 

[surada]

Rome.

The Bible says its Israel.

 

[Phillip]

Jefferson's appeal to the Baptist vote.

So you found two Founders you can cherry pick quotes from. Why is it nobody ever has quotes from the other 200 hundred or so 'Founders'?

In any case, it's an indisputable fact that the establishment clause did not restrict the states, just the Fed, as has been proven beyond any doubt several thousand times on this board and probably hundreds of millions of times over the years elsewhere. TRy a new gimmick.

Not cherry picking shit! Those were two I could think of off the top of my head! Your stupid ass think I was going list every religious quote from every signer of the Constitution! Your even more stupid than you write. Have a bad fucking day!

 

[rightnow909]

Organized religion, such as it is, is far more "organized" than the universe and this planet overall, so if there is a deity, he/she/it isn't very organized.

lol

not sure what u mean but lol