who is the great whore in Revelation?

[kjw47]

well, I think the great whore is "organized religion" which in God's eyes probably is not terribly organized, at least not organized around CHRIST and His Precious Words

well, I think the great whore is "organized religion" which in God's eyes probably is not terribly organized, at least not organized around CHRIST and His Precious Words

Yes they are.99.9% of all religion on earth makes up the whore of babylon. Jesus started a single religion. Even Gods chosen back then rejected Jesus so God cut them off-Matt 23:37-38) Out of his great love, even though they hated Jesus, left the door open to them--They must accept Jesus as the one sent to them from God-The Messiah, they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
One religion on earth -listens and obeys Jesus. They are easy to spot-Jesus said they would be hated if they followed him.

 

[Phillip]

Yes they are.99.9% of all religion on earth makes up the whore of babylon. Jesus started a single religion. Even Gods chosen back then rejected Jesus so God cut them off-Matt 23:37-38) Out of his great love, even though they hated Jesus, left the door open to them--They must accept Jesus as the one sent to them from God-The Messiah, they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
One religion on earth -listens and obeys Jesus. They are easy to spot-Jesus said they would be hated if they followed him.

Jesus did not start no religion..Hell he never ever heard the word Christian...Your buddy Paul came up with that word..

 

[Clyde 154]

Rome is the Great Whore with its corrupted church pretending to be the church established via Scriptural Doctrine.

 

[Phillip]

Do you believe that the pope is the antichrist?

Do you believe that Pope Francis is the last Pope? And no I do not believe he is the antichrist that antichrist stuff is bullshit.

 

[Clyde 154]

Jesus did not start no religion..Hell he never ever heard the word Christian...Your buddy Paul came up with that word..

That's logic for ya, or rather the lack thereof. Jesus is defined as the Christ of prophecy long before Saul's conversion. And Jesus self defines that He will build His Chruch (Matthew 16), and He has been given all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18). And Peter declares Jesus as the Christ of prophecy sitting on the Throne of David at the right hand of God in heaven (Acts 2)....

Thus, Jesus is the Christ as defined by other Apostles.......The Christ is the head of church, and Peter declared that He had over 3000 Jews following Him on the Day of Pentecost after the death of Jesus. What do you suggest this church be called? FYI: The Book of Acts was written by Luke the Physican, not Paul. ".......and the disciples were called Christian first in Antioch." -- Acts 11:26 If you attempt to match wits concerning the Holy Bible with the Holy Spirit that inspired it......I would first read it before demonstrating total ignorance. When you match wits with the Holy Spirit, its best not to come with an empty chamber.

I bet you could answer this question? "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin"?

Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

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[DudleySmith]

The 'Whore of Babylon' in Revelation was clearly Jerusalem, the center of the Temple state. There are seven hills there as well. The Temple state was the product of Babylonian Jews. If it were Rome the author would have named the 'Whore of Rome'. Duh. Jerusalem is the only city that fits the narrative, and it was the Babylonian cult Jesus preached against in his speeches against the Temple amd and advocating a return to the Torah of Moses and the pre-exilic Hebrewism.

 

[Clyde 154]

The 'Whore of Babylon' in Revelation was clearly Jerusalem, the center of the Temple state. There are seven hills there as well. The Temple state was the product of Babylonian Jews. If it were Rome the author would have named the 'Whore of Rome'. Duh. Jerusalem is the only city that fits the narrative, and it was the Babylonian cult Jesus preached against in his speeches against the Temple amd and advocating a return to the Torah of Moses and the pre-exilic Hebrewism.

The Book of Revelations was written between 91 and 96 AD..........Jerusalem fell in AD 70 to Rome. Rome is known as the city of 7 hills, Jerusalem sits atop one mountain.

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

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[Phillip]

That's logic for ya, or rather the lack thereof. Jesus is defined as the Christ of prophecy long before Saul's conversion. And Jesus self defines that He will build His Chruch (Matthew 16), and He has been given all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18). And Peter declares Jesus as the Christ of prophecy sitting on the Throne of David at the right hand of God in heaven (Acts 2)....

Thus, Jesus is the Christ as defined by other Apostles.......The Christ is the head of church, and Peter declared that He had over 3000 Jews following Him on the Day of Pentecost after the death of Jesus. What do you suggest this church be called? FYI: The Book of Acts was written by Luke the Physican, not Paul. ".......and the disciples were called Christian first in Antioch." -- Acts 11:26 If you attempt to match wits concerning the Holy Bible with the Holy Spirit that inspired it......I would first read it before demonstrating total ignorance. When you match wits with the Holy Spirit, its best not to come with an empty chamber.

I bet you could answer this question? "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin"?

Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I bet you can be a smart ass can't you..

Jesus is the Christ as defined by other Apostles.......

As defined by the Apostles not Jesus himself he was already dead..

 

[kjw47]

Jesus did not start no religion..Hell he never ever heard the word Christian...Your buddy Paul came up with that word..

God had a single religion in the OT. They were cut off for denying Christ and sending him to his death. So YES Jesus did start a new religion. That is ok if Paul named it christianity. How could there be any unity unless they gathered together and learned truth? And as billions have read in Revelation-Jesus spoke to 7 seperate congregations. Some bibles say church but its a mistranslation of the greek word-Congregation is correct.

 

[kjw47]

The Book of Revelations was written between 91 and 96 AD..........Jerusalem fell in AD 70 to Rome. Rome is known as the city of 7 hills, Jerusalem sits atop one mountain.

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

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Actually the son of peredition or destruction)=the great apostasy had to rise first=The religion that came out of Rome and its 33,999 branches--They must have missed Gods simple milk that states-unity of thought, no division( 1Cor 1:10) or a house divided will not stand. It amazes me how blind they all are. 2Thess 2:3
All false religion on earth = the whore of babylon. 99.9% of them are false.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

 

[Bob Blaylock]

 

[Care4all]

Yes, I believe so. The 7 refers to the famous 7 hills of Rome as well.

Washington DC also sits on 7 Hills!!!

 

[RodISHI]

That place in the spirit.

 

[Clyde 154]

Actually the son of peredition or destruction)=the great apostasy had to rise first=The religion that came out of Rome and its 33,999 branches--They must have missed Gods simple milk that states-unity of thought, no division( 1Cor 1:10) or a house divided will not stand. It amazes me how blind they all are. 2Thess 2:3
All false religion on earth = the whore of babylon. 99.9% of them are false.

One must remember the opening paragraph of Revelation. The book is a book of symbolism, not literalism. Its a book of things "signified" to John as revealed by an angel sent by the Lord........OF THINGS TO "SHORTLY TAKE PLACE". The book was written in the late 1st century sometime in the 90s AD. Therefore..........the whore of Babylon must have existed sometime in the early to mid 2nd century. As the very last chapter of Revelation declares, "And He said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND." -- Rev. 22:10

The Roman Empire is the harlot and the whore. The Harlot holds a rich cup (Rev. 17:4), but its filled with filth. We are informed that cup is filled with the blood of "martyrs" ( Rev. 7:6). One can see the clear reference to Isaiah (29:9, and Habakkuk/Hebrew Bible 2:5)

The Harlot sits on many waters (Rev. 17:1), so we are addressing a sea port city. She rules over many different nationalities (Rev. 17:15). This brings to mind the prophecies in Daniel concerning the Roman Empire (Daniel 2:42-43), Rome's might (the iron) was Rome's ability to conquer, but its weakness was it could not mold the conquered nations into a sing whole (iron mixed with clay).

She sprawls on a beast that lays on 7 hills (Rev. 17:9). Rome is a city on 7 hills.

Christianity overcome Rome and eventually it was declared the State Religion of the Roman Empire. Its true that Rome corrupted the church with man made traditions and decrees, in things not authorized in the Holy Scriptures.

Satan's greatest weapon is deceit.......using deceit he attempts to divide the church and make it weak.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Book of Revelations was written between 91 and 96 AD..........Jerusalem fell in AD 70 to Rome. Rome is known as the city of 7 hills, Jerusalem sits atop one mountain.

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

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Jerusalem's Seven Hills Map

What are the names of Jerusalem's seven hills? Where are the located in relation to the old city?

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Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

It is the only city of seven hills that fits; it is old Protestant anti-Catholic propaganda that claims it refers to Rome, probably from Luther. Rome had no theological significance in Judeo-Christian theology. It was essentially a city built by Babylonian exiles as their Temple center. Rome as the 'whore of Babylon' makes zero sense, it's just Catholic hate, which didn't exist in the 1st Century. Revelation is referring to Pharisees' persecution of Christians in the previous decades, driving Christians from their synagogues and their obsession with their Temple and their incomes and power deriving from their Temple.

Jewish Christians weren't leading a revolt against Romans, they were leading one against the Babylonian cultists and their fake Temple.

Why Didn't Jesus Take Up Roman Oppression of the Jews?

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Think of one time when Jesus even spoke of Rome, besides Him telling them to render to Caesar what was Caesar's and render to God what was God's. In other words, the things which pertained to Caesar had nothing to do with the things which pertained to God.

In spite of the fact that the Jews were under persecution by the Romans, this was never Jesus' focus. Let's put it another way. Jesus was fully aware that the Jews were being robbed, abused, and killed at the hands of the Romans (the devil only comes to steal, kill, and destroy). So the question is, why didn't Jesus fight for the plight of the Jewish people against Rome? Why didn't He make it a priority in His life and ministry to redress Roman oppression? Why didn't He instruct His disciples to set right these wrongs?

1. God's Kingdom is not of this World
   
   "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36
   
   Jesus' eye was singly focused on preaching and bringing to pass the Kingdom of God, which is not of this world (Matthew 12:28; Mark 1:14-15; Luke 4:43; Luke 9:2). The Kingdom of God does not come from this world, is not influenced by this world, and is not based upon the things of this world.
2. Such was not the Father's Business

He wasn't concerned with earthly empires; those come and go.

 

[DudleySmith]

Christianity overcome Rome and eventually it was declared the State Religion of the Roman Empire. Its true that Rome corrupted the church with man made traditions and decrees, in things not authorized in the Holy Scriptures.

Satan's greatest weapon is deceit.......using deceit he attempts to divide the church and make it weak.

And of course you could never be wrong, right? And, you're just verifying that old Protestant propaganda still influences many sects; like claims of 'millions of deaths from the Inquisition' and 'millions killed by witch burnings', it will never go away.

 

[Clyde 154]

And of course you could never be wrong, right? And, you're just verifying that old Protestant propaganda still influences many sects; like claims of 'millions of deaths from the Inquisition' and 'millions killed by witch burnings', it will never go away.

Yeah.........nothing but ad hominem attacks? Bible study over? Strange when book, chapter and verse are presented, the ad hominem interpretations cease and the personal ad hominem attacks begin. A liberal tactic.....really? Can't refute the substance of the message......attack the messenger.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Harlot sits on many waters (Rev. 17:1), so we are addressing a sea port city.

Rome is not a seaport. "sitting on many waters' means trade routes, and the trade routes through Palestine touch on many more 'waters' than Rome.

 

[DudleySmith]

Yeah.........nothing but ad hominem attacks?

You mean like calling everybody who disagrees with you 'Satanists'? lol not even a good try, nothing 'ad hom' in my post. You're just defensive about being wrong, is all.

AS for martyrs, many more Christians were killed by Jews than Romans in the 1st Century' even during the Bar Kohkba Revolt years later the Pharisees took time out to massacre Christians. The last Jewish kings of what is now Yemen had steles made bragging about the 40,000 Christians they killed in raids into Arabia.