Who is more religious, Donald Trump or Pete Buttigieg?

[Cecilie1200]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

You mean aside from engaging in homosexual behavior, which the Bible calls an abomination?

Oh, wait, let me guess. You want to use the Bible to condemn Trump, but then think it's wrong when it's applied to people you like, right?

You know nothing about either of them personally. You also clearly know very little about religious morality, however much you want to pretend you're qualified to address the subject. If you did, you would know that presuming to judge the state of someone else's soul and relationship with God is the sin of hubris.

The Episcopalian Church and other Christian Denominations do not find anything about homosexuality that is incompatible with Christianity. Jesus Christ went against many teachings of the Old Testament.

Americans are called on to make a judgement about the various candidates every time we decide who to vote in as the next President.

Amazingly enough, the Episcopalian Church speaks for itself, and no one else. This is also the case with any other denomination. There is a reason why there is more than one denomination out there, and it is precisely because people disagree on how to serve God. So why are you citing me the beliefs of a church I have already rejected as the best interpretation of God's will as though it's supposed to mean something to me?

Jesus Christ did not "go against the teachings of the Old Testament". I value YOUR pronouncements on the Bible and God's will even less than I do the Episcopalians.

Americans are called to make judgements about who would make the best President. They are never called on to judge the state of anyone's soul. Maybe you should stop talking long enough to make better judgements on the words you read and their meanings.

 

[U2Edge]

Who is more religious, Donald Trump or Pete Buttigieg?

I wouldn't hire either to be my pastor. Why is this in politics?

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Because this can be a political issue, especially for conservatives. Because there is a chance that Pete Buttigieg could go up against Donald Trump to become the next President of the United States. There is no better place than here for this to be discussed.

Currently the minor city mayor isn't even a blip on the national radar, and will never likely be. Do you seriously think the early States are going to vote for a socialist flamer.

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He is one of the few veterans running in the race. So in that respect, he stands out big time. He is a smart guy, graduated from Harvard, and is the son of parents who were professors at Notre Dame. He is currently in 7th place among all the candidates and that should get him a seat at the table for the big debates.

From what I hear they're using money raised for the first round of debates, how's he doing on that front?

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Not sure, but he apparently is ahead of Biden since he is a declared candidate.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Oh man! I missed the OP Joke! Oh Man! This is a good one! This Womanizer , open womanizer, and the gay marriage guy. Ow, sorry I missed it too! Hey everybody, he's gay, he likes to take gay men and pollute Christianity. You guys need to be clearer about what we're talking about. Ya there aren't any legal gay marriages in 2000 years of Christianity. Not in Byzantine orthodox, the Nestorian cast offs , the Coptics and Monosyphites of Africa, or the Catholic Church through Papal Bulls, or exceptions, or any possible during Lutheran Reformation, Manicheans in Asia I'm less sure, then of course John Calvin hated monastic Celibacy, lets transfer a priesthood of Blievers to the Professing educated Man and Woman, then, also, not any gays, now, Johann Sebastian Bach was known for grabbing the pussy that's why they throw him out of making Church music.

 

[daveman]

Who the hell is Buttgag?

You can read all about him right here: Pete Buttigieg - Wikipedia

Pete Buttigieg is currently the Mayor of South Bend IN and is a veteran of the Navy, 8 years service. He is also a veteran of the war in Afghanistan. He is currently a candidate to become the next President of the United States.

He has zero chance of winning.

His chances are not high, but I'd say he has a better chance than Donald Trump of being in the White House on January 21, 2021.

You lead an interested fantasy life.

 

[JGalt]

Who the hell is Buttgag?

You can read all about him right here: Pete Buttigieg - Wikipedia

Pete Buttigieg is currently the Mayor of South Bend IN and is a veteran of the Navy, 8 years service. He is also a veteran of the war in Afghanistan. He is currently a candidate to become the next President of the United States.

He has zero chance of winning.

I certainly hope so. I thought "Barack Hussein Obama" was a strange name but "President Buttgag" would surely make us the laughingstock of the rest of the world.

Or maybe I'd just call him "President Butt-Plug."

 

[U2Edge]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Homosexuality is an abomination. Their book says it.

The Bible is a collection or library of nearly a 100 different books. Different views on issues are expressed in those books, plus what is written is open to interpretation and dependent on translations and older meanings and definitions. The Episcopalian Church has found that being a homosexual is not inconsistent with teachings of Jesus Christ, which is why the Episcopalian Church allows gay people to marry in the church.

The Episcopalian Church decided to buckle under to gay demands. There has been no revelation that the Church has suddenly discovered a new interpretation. Not at all. Gays whined and demanded and intimidated. And there are still Episcopalians who won't accept the normalization of perversion. And it is perversion.

I attended an Episcopalian service once. It was the most unChristian event I’ve ever been too. The Pink Floyd concert I went to was more Christian. Just happened some bigwig Cardinal from LA was there visiting that day. Everybody is kissing his ring as they leave the only exit. I’m stuck and not kissing this demons ring. So I grabbed his extended hand it and shook saying isn’t this a glorious day God has made. The look on his face was worth the price of admission.

Or maybe that was just a bad acid trip.

 

[Cecilie1200]

....I don't believe in god and I have good, moral behavior/etc

Maybe you do, but most Americans would prefer a President that believes in God. Most Americans believe in God and tend to vote for candidates that believe in God. That's why there are no Atheist in the House Of Representatives, Senate or White House. We have IN GOD WE TRUST printed on are money.

There's a difference between/among "believes in God", "is religious", and "good moral behavior", dummy.

And while most Americans would ideally prefer that their President share their beliefs, they get that a President who doesn't necessarily believe as they do but protects their right to do so beats someone who mouths the right words but infringes on their rights.

Sometimes there is, sometimes there is not. As for Trump, many would say he is infringing on their rights. I have not heard Pete Buttigieg say or do anything to infringe anyone's rights.

Really? Many religious conservatives would say he's infringing on their rights? How interesting.

That doesn't change the fact that every voter makes that determination individually, and not one person I know of values your input on the religiousness of any one, or for that matter believes it's really of any concern to you other than as something to bitch about Trump for.

This is a democracy, people express their views openly in this country. We talk about it, and debate about it. Part of why this forum is here.

Also, many religious conservatives are Latin American. In fact, Latin Americans, especially Latin American immigrants tend to be more religious than the average U.S. citizen.

Yes, and I'm talking about your views by expressing MY views, which is that you're talking out of your ass and grasping at anything you can find to attack Trump.

This is also a nation full of whining fools who think being disagreed with or criticized is the same thing as being "silenced" or "oppressed". Strap on a pair and pretend to be a grown-up, Nancy.

 

[daveman]

U2, are you a Christian?

 

[Weatherman2020]

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Homosexuality is an abomination. Their book says it.

The Bible is a collection or library of nearly a 100 different books. Different views on issues are expressed in those books, plus what is written is open to interpretation and dependent on translations and older meanings and definitions. The Episcopalian Church has found that being a homosexual is not inconsistent with teachings of Jesus Christ, which is why the Episcopalian Church allows gay people to marry in the church.

The Episcopalian Church decided to buckle under to gay demands. There has been no revelation that the Church has suddenly discovered a new interpretation. Not at all. Gays whined and demanded and intimidated. And there are still Episcopalians who won't accept the normalization of perversion. And it is perversion.

I attended an Episcopalian service once. It was the most unChristian event I’ve ever been too. The Pink Floyd concert I went to was more Christian. Just happened some bigwig Cardinal from LA was there visiting that day. Everybody is kissing his ring as they leave the only exit. I’m stuck and not kissing this demons ring. So I grabbed his extended hand it and shook saying isn’t this a glorious day God has made. The look on his face was worth the price of admission.

Or maybe that was just a bad acid trip.

It was a bad trip, acid or no acid.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Homosexuality is an abomination. Their book says it.

The Bible is a collection or library of nearly a 100 different books. Different views on issues are expressed in those books, plus what is written is open to interpretation and dependent on translations and older meanings and definitions. The Episcopalian Church has found that being a homosexual is not inconsistent with teachings of Jesus Christ, which is why the Episcopalian Church allows gay people to marry in the church.

The Episcopalian Church decided to buckle under to gay demands. There has been no revelation that the Church has suddenly discovered a new interpretation. Not at all. Gays whined and demanded and intimidated. And there are still Episcopalians who won't accept the normalization of perversion. And it is perversion.

I attended an Episcopalian service once. It was the most unChristian event I’ve ever been too. The Pink Floyd concert I went to was more Christian. Just happened some bigwig Cardinal from LA was there visiting that day. Everybody is kissing his ring as they leave the only exit. I’m stuck and not kissing this demons ring. So I grabbed his extended hand it and shook saying isn’t this a glorious day God has made. The look on his face was worth the price of admission.

Seems odd. Does he not ever encounter people from other religious groups who don't recognize his church authority? Or did he just think non-Episcopalians never got invited to attend church?

 

[Wyatt earp]

is it important?

It is to me and others who equate religious belief with good moral behavior and integrity. It certainly tends to be important to conservatives and Republicans who on average have deeper faith and are more religious than Democrats.

....I don't believe in god and I have good, moral behavior/etc

Maybe you do, but most Americans would prefer a President that believes in God. Most Americans believe in God and tend to vote for candidates that believe in God. That's why there are no Atheist in the House Of Representatives, Senate or White House. We have IN GOD WE TRUST printed on are money.

Pete Buttigieg doesnt belive in God, if he did he wouldn't be a butt budy.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Thats a devil church that doesnt go by scripture

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[Cecilie1200]

is it important?

It is to me and others who equate religious belief with good moral behavior and integrity. It certainly tends to be important to conservatives and Republicans who on average have deeper faith and are more religious than Democrats.

"It is to me and others who equate religious belief with good moral behavior and integrity."

I would never make that connection.

My moral behavior and integrity is EASILY as good as any religious persons.

And LOTS of religious people still believe "something should be done about IMMORAL homosexuals"....Hating gays because their god tells them to is NOT "good moral behavior"

Lots of Christians have no problem with Homosexuality. Look up the Episcopalians.

And your point would be what? That you get to dictate what is and isn't religiously correct based on the "lots of Christians" you've determined to be correct? The Episcopalians now speak for all Christians, because you like what they say?

 

[Weatherman2020]

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Homosexuality is an abomination. Their book says it.

The Bible is a collection or library of nearly a 100 different books. Different views on issues are expressed in those books, plus what is written is open to interpretation and dependent on translations and older meanings and definitions. The Episcopalian Church has found that being a homosexual is not inconsistent with teachings of Jesus Christ, which is why the Episcopalian Church allows gay people to marry in the church.

The Episcopalian Church decided to buckle under to gay demands. There has been no revelation that the Church has suddenly discovered a new interpretation. Not at all. Gays whined and demanded and intimidated. And there are still Episcopalians who won't accept the normalization of perversion. And it is perversion.

I attended an Episcopalian service once. It was the most unChristian event I’ve ever been too. The Pink Floyd concert I went to was more Christian. Just happened some bigwig Cardinal from LA was there visiting that day. Everybody is kissing his ring as they leave the only exit. I’m stuck and not kissing this demons ring. So I grabbed his extended hand it and shook saying isn’t this a glorious day God has made. The look on his face was worth the price of admission.

Seems odd. Does he not ever encounter people from other religious groups who don't recognize his church authority? Or did he just think non-Episcopalians never got invited to attend church?

Not sure, but I took it as who wouldn’t want to kiss my ring? He probably thought I attended there. Probably chewed out the church leader for it later.

 

[Mike Dwight]

The Anglicans are called Episcopalians in only two places, Scotland and America, because both Hate being associated with the Anglo-Saxon Homeland. Otherwise, the Anglicans abandoned the Protestant Reformation in the Neo-Catholic Oxford school in 1830 and find one reason they don't take up the Pope's recent offers for them to rejoin the fold? Some other desparate prostitution of Babylon, who knows.

 

[U2Edge]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

You mean aside from engaging in homosexual behavior, which the Bible calls an abomination?

Oh, wait, let me guess. You want to use the Bible to condemn Trump, but then think it's wrong when it's applied to people you like, right?

You know nothing about either of them personally. You also clearly know very little about religious morality, however much you want to pretend you're qualified to address the subject. If you did, you would know that presuming to judge the state of someone else's soul and relationship with God is the sin of hubris.

The Episcopalian Church and other Christian Denominations do not find anything about homosexuality that is incompatible with Christianity. Jesus Christ went against many teachings of the Old Testament.

Americans are called on to make a judgement about the various candidates every time we decide who to vote in as the next President.

Amazingly enough, the Episcopalian Church speaks for itself, and no one else. This is also the case with any other denomination. There is a reason why there is more than one denomination out there, and it is precisely because people disagree on how to serve God. So why are you citing me the beliefs of a church I have already rejected as the best interpretation of God's will as though it's supposed to mean something to me?

Jesus Christ did not "go against the teachings of the Old Testament". I value YOUR pronouncements on the Bible and God's will even less than I do the Episcopalians.

Americans are called to make judgements about who would make the best President. They are never called on to judge the state of anyone's soul. Maybe you should stop talking long enough to make better judgements on the words you read and their meanings.

Because you stated or suggested wrongly that being Christian meant one is against Buttigieg and his homosexuality. I simply informed everyone of the fact that the Episcopalian Church, a Christian Church, sees nothing wrong with homosexuality.

I never mentioned the word soul in this thread. Plenty of Jesus's teachings were in conflict with the old testament like a EYE FOR AN EYE vs. TURN THE OTHER CHEAK. How about the poor women who was about to be stoned to death for adultery and yet was saved by Jesus who told everyone "he who is without sin cast the first stone".

 

[Mike Dwight]

U2Edge already knows his false equivalency, I don't know why he is wasting his time. So the Divine SPARK that united a new CHRISTENDOM of Marriage on December 25th the new Pope's Christmas Day holiday to signal God's favor of a dying religion on a marriage day in the 500's AD and , you're confused this is about the CHURCH expressing its WILL in a Ceremony?

 

[EGR one]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

So, you answered your own question. What more do you need?

 

[WheelieAddict]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Thats a devil church that doesnt go by scripture

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You don't get to make that call, only God does.

 

[JGalt]

Neither. Trump has no particular interest in religion. Nor has he indicated any opinion on gays.

Buttplug has no religion. He is an abomination to Christianity. His interest in religion is superficial at best.

WRONG! Pete Buttigieg is a member of the Episcopalian Church and is a congregant at the Cathedral Of St. James in downtown South Bend Indiana. Pete Buttigieg got married at the Cathedral of St. James last summer. I don't see anything that Buttigieg has done that would make him and abomination to Christianity. He is a veteran of the United States Navy serving 8 years. He served in the war in Afghanistan. He is far ahead of Trump in terms of living a Christian life of service.

Thats a devil church that doesnt go by scripture

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It's the new religion of the left. It's called "Marxianity."

Brannon Howse came up with name, and explains how the evangelical Deep State and their “useful idiots” are merging Christianity with social justice, white liberal privilege, homosexual tolerance, Cultural Marxism, open borders, interfaith dialogue, radical feminism, the Hegel Dialectic, Alinskyism, in order to destroy traditional Christianity.

Even in the Methodist Church we had a big falling-out with the liberals, until we decided to remain Biblical and Wesleyan.