Who is for/against green living?

[Pogo]

Go solar

I'm bet you throw those plastic bottle plastic holders in the trash without cutting the straps before hand?

I make sure if I have any they are cut before I place them in the recycle can.

Unless you live within a 100 miles of an ocean --- the chances of those plastic rings killing a sea turtle or choking a baby seal are pretty close to zero..

But --- we appreciate your dedication to the cause..

Ironically the vast majority of the residents of two of the three states in your handle, do live within that 100 miles. In fact almost 40% of us live in a county directly bordering on water, so your 'unless' clause actually refers to "most people".

Nice try.

 

[HenryBHough]

Green living is fantastic!

It's curative for "greenies" who are required to live it.

So good it should be mandatory.

 

[flacaltenn]

Green living is fantastic!

It's curative for "greenies" who are required to live it.

So good it should be mandatory.

OK Henry -- we're not just talking about the "shower with a friend" part of it.
Or the hip hemp clothing you wear in your avatar..
Or impressing the ladies at the supermarket with you sensitive WWF shopping bags..

We're talking about the HARD stuff...

 

[Politico]

I'm bet you throw those plastic bottle plastic holders in the trash without cutting the straps before hand?

I make sure if I have any they are cut before I place them in the recycle can.

Unless you live within a 100 miles of an ocean --- the chances of those plastic rings killing a sea turtle or choking a baby seal are pretty close to zero..

But --- we appreciate your dedication to the cause..

When my trash leaves the house I don't know where it goes. However even in landfills they pose some semblance of harm to land animals. But as I said I doubt he cuts them.

He can't even commit to a thread for more than a day. So yeah I doubt he does. Not that he should be buying them in the first place.

 

[Geaux4it]

The green brigade crack me the cluck up. The guy in the office next to me is a King Liberal of a nerd. Poster boy in fact. Nice guy but strange nonetheless.

On his mid 90's beater he has a bumper sticker that says, 'What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint today?'

When his car is not there, the oil stain that is left is about 2' in diameter. The beater is leaking ~1/4 quart if oil a day.

What a moron

-Geaux

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The green brigade crack me the cluck up. They guy in the office next to me is a King Liberal of a nerd. Poster boy in fact. Nice guy but strange nonetheless.

On his mid 90's beater he has a bumper sticker that says, 'What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint today?'

When his car is not there, the oil stain that is left is about 2' in diameter. The beater is leaking ~1/4 quart if oil a day.

What a moron

-Geaux

Do as I say not as I do.

 

[Pogo]

The green brigade crack me the cluck up. The guy in the office next to me is a King Liberal of a nerd. Poster boy in fact. Nice guy but strange nonetheless.

On his mid 90's beater he has a bumper sticker that says, 'What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint today?'

When his car is not there, the oil stain that is left is about 2' in diameter. The beater is leaking ~1/4 quart if oil a day.

What a moron

-Geaux

I'm sure that's as reliable a story as your average Putin quote.

 

[Papageorgio]

Is it age? It seems a good majority of older people don't believe in clean energy.
Is it polital party? Dems seem for it, republican against it.
Is it education? Smart people like it, low/uneducated seem to be against it.

I, for one, am for it. I know right now it has issues, but can you unlock your stubborn mind for a minute and think how advanced it will be in 20 years from now? 50? 100? You have to walk before you can run. If we keep saying drill, drill, drill, it WILL run out. Don't be ignorant. I doubt it will run out in my lifetime, but I have kids, and they will have kids, and they will have kids. Think about that, you old, stupid, republican fool.

I've had employees walk 30 feet past the recycle bin to throw their stuff in the garbage, yes, work harder and go out of their way in order to NOT RECYCLE. I didn't think this was possible, but it happens every day. Some people are amazing.

So you employ old, uneducated, Republicans and then claim you are smart because you are a Democrat.

I'm for green energy, but why would anyone want to work for a educated, pompous ass dumbshit like you?

 

[Papageorgio]

I don't know the answer, but speaking for me...doing anything I MYSELF can do to help mother earth, I will do.

Go solar

Solar is very expensive, how do we bring the cost down to make it affordable and practical for everyone. It seems very limited at this point.

 

[elektra]

there is no such thing as green, all proposed requires us to use oil faster, these new solar farms are so huge, you can see them from space, how much natural resources does it take to make something seen from space?

 

[Politico]

Solar is for getting off the grid and taking care of your own.

 

[NoNukes]

Is it age? It seems a good majority of older people don't believe in clean energy.
Is it polital party? Dems seem for it, republican against it.
Is it education? Smart people like it, low/uneducated seem to be against it.

I, for one, am for it. I know right now it has issues, but can you unlock your stubborn mind for a minute and think how advanced it will be in 20 years from now? 50? 100? You have to walk before you can run. If we keep saying drill, drill, drill, it WILL run out. Don't be ignorant. I doubt it will run out in my lifetime, but I have kids, and they will have kids, and they will have kids. Think about that, you old, stupid, republican fool.

I've had employees walk 30 feet past the recycle bin to throw their stuff in the garbage, yes, work harder and go out of their way in order to NOT RECYCLE. I didn't think this was possible, but it happens every day. Some people are amazing.

There's a diff between green stuff that works and green stuff that is mostly fantasy and Unicorns.

It's not age --- since wind power is as old as civilization and solar is now an ancient technology as well.

It's not intelligience --- since I've observed the stupidity of not realizing that solar is only available 6 hours a day for grid generation and wind on the grid is horribly unreliable. And that stupidity belongs mostly to the eco-left..

As an older deep environmentalist -- I resent the circus that has come to town over Global Warming. It has sucked the living daylights out of the enviro movement. And set back efforts to actually control our waste streams and conserve nature.

And then you have the zealot slickmeisters like Matthew that list HYDRO and GEOTHERMAL as clean green "alternatives".. The idea of sinking more "Little Yosemites" (Hetch Hetchy) underwater to provide power for the grid is NOT GREEN. (ask the Sierra Club). And it does NOTHING for Global Warming as NEW hydro facilities have HIGH OUTPUTS of CO2 --- not to mention destroying a large sector of wilderness, CO2 sinking, and habitat..

Between the mistakes of large hydro, ethanol production, MTBE gas additives, wind turbine bird kill and the like, the eco-left has MASSIVELY flubbed many times..

As for your observation about employees marching past the recycling containers --- I go back to Cali a lot.. And when I'm in the airports there -- you'll see a row of 4 or 5 different containers now for recycling.. I watch and giggle as folks ATTEMPT to sort all their donut crap into those bins.. I've seen dirty diapers and footballs literally tossed ON TOP OF THE ROW OF CONTAINERS --- because folks are so damned confused by the process.

Which is all for show anyway --- as in most recycling operations, the metals, aluminum, paper and glass are all sorted at the facilities anyway.. And WHO'S the idiot here? You pay a 5 or 15 cent deposit at the STORE for those containers and then you DONATE that valuable material BACK to a trash service that CHARGES YOU for picking it up? How stupid is that?

Where does that deposit go? -- It disappears into the Cali Gen. Fund to buy cell phones for gang bangers and drug dealers.. It's NOT being managed for the benefit of the enviro or even to ENCOURAGE proper cooperation.. And TOO MUCH is being DICTATED instead of winning public cooperation.. Like the lightbulb mandates and the toilets that don't flush..

You've screwed up BADLY ---- and you desparately want to find scapegoats. You have no deep list of ALTERNATIVES. And very FEW of you are actually INFORMED ENOUGH to be of help to the environment..

Does that help????

My solar panels heat my water for at least 6 months of the year. I am presently putting in a water collection system to help with paying the water bills which are going into effect here in Ireland next year.

 

[flacaltenn]

Is it age? It seems a good majority of older people don't believe in clean energy.
Is it polital party? Dems seem for it, republican against it.
Is it education? Smart people like it, low/uneducated seem to be against it.

I, for one, am for it. I know right now it has issues, but can you unlock your stubborn mind for a minute and think how advanced it will be in 20 years from now? 50? 100? You have to walk before you can run. If we keep saying drill, drill, drill, it WILL run out. Don't be ignorant. I doubt it will run out in my lifetime, but I have kids, and they will have kids, and they will have kids. Think about that, you old, stupid, republican fool.

I've had employees walk 30 feet past the recycle bin to throw their stuff in the garbage, yes, work harder and go out of their way in order to NOT RECYCLE. I didn't think this was possible, but it happens every day. Some people are amazing.

There's a diff between green stuff that works and green stuff that is mostly fantasy and Unicorns.

It's not age --- since wind power is as old as civilization and solar is now an ancient technology as well.

It's not intelligience --- since I've observed the stupidity of not realizing that solar is only available 6 hours a day for grid generation and wind on the grid is horribly unreliable. And that stupidity belongs mostly to the eco-left..

As an older deep environmentalist -- I resent the circus that has come to town over Global Warming. It has sucked the living daylights out of the enviro movement. And set back efforts to actually control our waste streams and conserve nature.

And then you have the zealot slickmeisters like Matthew that list HYDRO and GEOTHERMAL as clean green "alternatives".. The idea of sinking more "Little Yosemites" (Hetch Hetchy) underwater to provide power for the grid is NOT GREEN. (ask the Sierra Club). And it does NOTHING for Global Warming as NEW hydro facilities have HIGH OUTPUTS of CO2 --- not to mention destroying a large sector of wilderness, CO2 sinking, and habitat..

Between the mistakes of large hydro, ethanol production, MTBE gas additives, wind turbine bird kill and the like, the eco-left has MASSIVELY flubbed many times..

As for your observation about employees marching past the recycling containers --- I go back to Cali a lot.. And when I'm in the airports there -- you'll see a row of 4 or 5 different containers now for recycling.. I watch and giggle as folks ATTEMPT to sort all their donut crap into those bins.. I've seen dirty diapers and footballs literally tossed ON TOP OF THE ROW OF CONTAINERS --- because folks are so damned confused by the process.

Which is all for show anyway --- as in most recycling operations, the metals, aluminum, paper and glass are all sorted at the facilities anyway.. And WHO'S the idiot here? You pay a 5 or 15 cent deposit at the STORE for those containers and then you DONATE that valuable material BACK to a trash service that CHARGES YOU for picking it up? How stupid is that?

Where does that deposit go? -- It disappears into the Cali Gen. Fund to buy cell phones for gang bangers and drug dealers.. It's NOT being managed for the benefit of the enviro or even to ENCOURAGE proper cooperation.. And TOO MUCH is being DICTATED instead of winning public cooperation.. Like the lightbulb mandates and the toilets that don't flush..

You've screwed up BADLY ---- and you desparately want to find scapegoats. You have no deep list of ALTERNATIVES. And very FEW of you are actually INFORMED ENOUGH to be of help to the environment..

Does that help????

My solar panels heat my water for at least 6 months of the year. I am presently putting in a water collection system to help with paying the water bills which are going into effect here in Ireland next year.

If your system is solar THERMAL -- that's a splendid idea.. It divorces the issues of being grid attached from heating water. Solar PV --- means going into the energy biz and competing with the big boys. Not something the average homeowner should undertake. Especially in your area where subsidies and feed-in tariffs can shift in an eyeblink..

 

[HenryBHough]

Only real solar heating advocate I knew drank himself to death.

He designed a system that used glycol-filled beer cans painted flat black and enclosed in a glass-fronted box that circulated air through it into his cabin.

Problem was he never seemed to have enough beer cans but he was well on his way to solving that part of the equation when the end came.

 

[flacaltenn]

Only real solar heating advocate I knew drank himself to death.

He designed a system that used glycol-filled beer cans painted flat black and enclosed in a glass-fronted box that circulated air through it into his cabin.

Problem was he never seemed to have enough beer cans but he was well on his way to solving that part of the equation when the end came.

That Henry was EXCELLENT engineering but piss poor execution and logistics..

 

[HenryBHough]

That Henry was EXCELLENT engineering but piss poor execution and logistics..

Actually the first attempt was just as you described. The cabin was in an area of cold climate. He recognized early that he couldn't feel the emptied beer cans with water (or even leave them full of beer) as they would freeze. Instead he filled them with urine (his own and that of friends who volunteered to help out) in the hope that, after emptying the cans, there would be sufficient alcohol in the piss to act as an anti-freeze. Not fully understanding metabolism it was a noble, though ineffective thought. At one point, after a blood-alcohol test to which he was subjected, he thought about filling the empties with blood. Fortunately he was easily dissuaded. We think.

 

[Pogo]

There's a diff between green stuff that works and green stuff that is mostly fantasy and Unicorns.

It's not age --- since wind power is as old as civilization and solar is now an ancient technology as well.

It's not intelligience --- since I've observed the stupidity of not realizing that solar is only available 6 hours a day for grid generation and wind on the grid is horribly unreliable. And that stupidity belongs mostly to the eco-left..

As an older deep environmentalist -- I resent the circus that has come to town over Global Warming. It has sucked the living daylights out of the enviro movement. And set back efforts to actually control our waste streams and conserve nature.

And then you have the zealot slickmeisters like Matthew that list HYDRO and GEOTHERMAL as clean green "alternatives".. The idea of sinking more "Little Yosemites" (Hetch Hetchy) underwater to provide power for the grid is NOT GREEN. (ask the Sierra Club). And it does NOTHING for Global Warming as NEW hydro facilities have HIGH OUTPUTS of CO2 --- not to mention destroying a large sector of wilderness, CO2 sinking, and habitat..

Between the mistakes of large hydro, ethanol production, MTBE gas additives, wind turbine bird kill and the like, the eco-left has MASSIVELY flubbed many times..

As for your observation about employees marching past the recycling containers --- I go back to Cali a lot.. And when I'm in the airports there -- you'll see a row of 4 or 5 different containers now for recycling.. I watch and giggle as folks ATTEMPT to sort all their donut crap into those bins.. I've seen dirty diapers and footballs literally tossed ON TOP OF THE ROW OF CONTAINERS --- because folks are so damned confused by the process.

Which is all for show anyway --- as in most recycling operations, the metals, aluminum, paper and glass are all sorted at the facilities anyway.. And WHO'S the idiot here? You pay a 5 or 15 cent deposit at the STORE for those containers and then you DONATE that valuable material BACK to a trash service that CHARGES YOU for picking it up? How stupid is that?

Where does that deposit go? -- It disappears into the Cali Gen. Fund to buy cell phones for gang bangers and drug dealers.. It's NOT being managed for the benefit of the enviro or even to ENCOURAGE proper cooperation.. And TOO MUCH is being DICTATED instead of winning public cooperation.. Like the lightbulb mandates and the toilets that don't flush..

You've screwed up BADLY ---- and you desparately want to find scapegoats. You have no deep list of ALTERNATIVES. And very FEW of you are actually INFORMED ENOUGH to be of help to the environment..

Does that help????

My solar panels heat my water for at least 6 months of the year. I am presently putting in a water collection system to help with paying the water bills which are going into effect here in Ireland next year.

If your system is solar THERMAL -- that's a splendid idea.. It divorces the issues of being grid attached from heating water. Solar PV --- means going into the energy biz and competing with the big boys. Not something the average homeowner should undertake. Especially in your area where subsidies and feed-in tariffs can shift in an eyeblink..

Why not? You don't "compete"; you use what you need and sell any excess back to the power company. I've got several friends that do that including my next-door neighbor.

 

[flacaltenn]

That Henry was EXCELLENT engineering but piss poor execution and logistics..

Actually the first attempt was just as you described. The cabin was in an area of cold climate. He recognized early that he couldn't feel the emptied beer cans with water (or even leave them full of beer) as they would freeze. Instead he filled them with urine (his own and that of friends who volunteered to help out) in the hope that, after emptying the cans, there would be sufficient alcohol in the piss to act as an anti-freeze. Not fully understanding metabolism it was a noble, though ineffective thought. At one point, after a blood-alcohol test to which he was subjected, he thought about filling the empties with blood. Fortunately he was easily dissuaded. We think.

That story just gets better and better.. That is my laugh of the week...
Could be a short story for you in all that...

 

[Mr Natural]

I'm green within reason.

 

[flacaltenn]

My solar panels heat my water for at least 6 months of the year. I am presently putting in a water collection system to help with paying the water bills which are going into effect here in Ireland next year.

If your system is solar THERMAL -- that's a splendid idea.. It divorces the issues of being grid attached from heating water. Solar PV --- means going into the energy biz and competing with the big boys. Not something the average homeowner should undertake. Especially in your area where subsidies and feed-in tariffs can shift in an eyeblink..

Why not? You don't "compete"; you use what you need and sell any excess back to the power company. I've got several friends that do that including my next-door neighbor.

Of course you compete.. You are in the energy biz.. Most folks aren't even HOME when their generator plant is producing. Not as much as you WILL BE COMPETING in the future when the Big Boys have the OPTION of taking your power.. Right now -- they are REQUIRED to.. If everybody did it -- they couldn't take it all. And the "must carry" rules will change. Probably go under real contracts for the purchase of your electrical plant.

You decided to finance a large generation scheme, eat the additional roof maintenance and wait at least 10 years to make a profit (with current absurdly high subsidies and without consideration of finance and maintenance costs)..

You are buying back power evenings, mornings, and nights at MAYBE reduced rates. But selling at peak rates. You are --- in the energy generation biz. Especially if you're not home to USE the generation at midday peaks..