who is behind California secede from the US ? iranian

[CrusaderFrank]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Adios!

Don't call us when Mexico invades

 

[jon_berzerk]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Because their socialism is taking all that out of the rest of the US

Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

revenue per capita

cal = $7,690.66

texas=$8,421.59

--LOL

cut em loose

 

[Mac1958]

The Democrats mocked Texas Republicans when they said the same thing in 2008.

This must be "different".
.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Because their socialism is taking all that out of the rest of the US

Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

That's one slice of the discussion. My point wasn't on Federal tax revenue only. California is doing nothing but endorsing every socialist Democrat for President, sending socialists to the Senate and mostly sending socialists to the House. Tax and spending is why our economy can't get started. We'd be better off without them

that is one of the good reasons to amend the constitution to lose the 17th amendment

 

[davecmarino]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Not to mention the fact that more U.S. taxes are collected in the U.S. then any other state in the union... Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

Now convert those revenue numbers by state and break it down on a per person basis. You will find that California is actually just slightly less than the average for all states. Next add back in the federal money that flows back into California and you will see them drop even lower than the middle of the pack as they nearly lead the states in Federally funded welfare payments.

California sucks overall and I've got over a decade of dealing with that state in business to say that. It's a bullshit state with lots of bullshit laws. It's got the distinction for having 3 of the top 5 municipality bankruptcies in the country.

The people and especially their politicians there couldn't find their ass with both hands in a mirrored room.


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looks like you are having problems finding your ass too dave...........just sayin.....

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Post the numbers and I'll post mine. Let's see who knows what the fuck is going on.

Here's a little sample of reality for you douchebag. The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History - pg.1




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[emilynghiem]

Shervin Pishevar(iranian) wants to help California secede from the US

Shervin Pishevar wants to help California secede from the US

I knew it couldn't be any real Americans. Probably illegals as well. And if you have to ask, "what is a real American", the answer is "someone not like you".

Dear miketx
What they are saying is the left version of states rights.
Local sovereignty first, and national govt should respect that equally for all states, not impose and dictate for states.

So if you don't believe in calling states rights people "criminals"
when it's the rightwing calling to secede to avoid imposition by the feds,
why would you do that with the leftwing?

Aren't states rights a common principle regardless of party or state?
Shouldn't rights reserved to states and people remain protected
even if you don't agree with someone's beliefs.

Are states rights only for conservative states opposed to Obama's unconstitutional mandates outside federal authority?

 

[easyt65]

Shervin Pishevar(iranian) wants to help California secede from the US

Shervin Pishevar wants to help California secede from the US

1. Iran has operatives in EVERY country within the Middle East doing EXACTLY what this guy is doing. Anyone who is not aware of this and / or does not consider this a threat to the sovereignty of the US is an idiot.

2. Just for grins, someone should check to see if this guy ever bundled money for or gave money to Hillary.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Not to mention the fact that more U.S. taxes are collected in the U.S. then any other state in the union... Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

Now convert those revenue numbers by state and break it down on a per person basis. You will find that California is actually just slightly less than the average for all states. Next add back in the federal money that flows back into California and you will see them drop even lower than the middle of the pack as they nearly lead the states in Federally funded welfare payments.

California sucks overall and I've got over a decade of dealing with that state in business to say that. It's a bullshit state with lots of bullshit laws. It's got the distinction for having 3 of the top 5 municipality bankruptcies in the country.

The people and especially their politicians there couldn't find their ass with both hands in a mirrored room.


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looks like you are having problems finding your ass too dave...........just sayin.....

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Post the numbers and I'll post mine. Let's see who knows what the fuck is going on.

Here's a little sample of reality for you douchebag. The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History - pg.1




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there goes the name calling....hey davey,there are lots of people out here who fight against the bullshit that this state throws out....if you actually did business out here you would know that,but being the "douche bag" that you are,i doubt that you have.....

 

[whitehall]

They are really serious aren't they? I don't think it would be too hard to extend Trump's wall along the Ca. border. Now's the time to do it.

 

[miketx]

Shervin Pishevar(iranian) wants to help California secede from the US

Shervin Pishevar wants to help California secede from the US

I knew it couldn't be any real Americans. Probably illegals as well. And if you have to ask, "what is a real American", the answer is "someone not like you".

Dear miketx
What they are saying is the left version of states rights.
Local sovereignty first, and national govt should respect that equally for all states, not impose and dictate for states.

So if you don't believe in calling states rights people "criminals"
when it's the rightwing calling to secede to avoid imposition by the feds,
why would you do that with the leftwing?

Aren't states rights a common principle regardless of party or state?
Shouldn't rights reserved to states and people remain protected
even if you don't agree with someone's beliefs.

Are states rights only for conservative states opposed to Obama's unconstitutional mandates outside federal authority?

While your post is correct, it has nothing to do with the point I made, which attempts to draw attention away from my point. That is called deflection.

 

[jon_berzerk]

They are really serious aren't they? I don't think it would be too hard to extend Trump's wall along the Ca. border. Now's the time to do it.

as with all contracts the price per mile will drop as more miles are added

this is a real win=win

--LOL

 

[Rustic]

I say let them leave if they want… No big loss

 

[emilynghiem]

Shervin Pishevar(iranian) wants to help California secede from the US

Shervin Pishevar wants to help California secede from the US

I knew it couldn't be any real Americans. Probably illegals as well. And if you have to ask, "what is a real American", the answer is "someone not like you".

Dear miketx
What they are saying is the left version of states rights.
Local sovereignty first, and national govt should respect that equally for all states, not impose and dictate for states.

So if you don't believe in calling states rights people "criminals"
when it's the rightwing calling to secede to avoid imposition by the feds,
why would you do that with the leftwing?

Aren't states rights a common principle regardless of party or state?
Shouldn't rights reserved to states and people remain protected
even if you don't agree with someone's beliefs.

Are states rights only for conservative states opposed to Obama's unconstitutional mandates outside federal authority?

While your post is correct, it has nothing to do with the point I made, which attempts to draw attention away from my point. That is called deflection.

sorry miketx
No I wasn't trying to deflect at all, but trying to answer your statement:
if you are saying these aren't real Americans
I thought you meant based on the desire for state sovereignty.
That if you don't agree, then they must be "unamerican."

Now if you mean if people are NOT EDUCATED and DEDICATED to uphold
the American Constitution which already PROTECTS states rights WITHIN the union,
then I could understand what you mean.

It sounded to me you were saying because you don't agree with liberal political beliefs,
these people must be unamerican, so that's why I replied as I did.

My real point is if it IS understood as within the Constitution
to defend states rights from imposition by federal govt overreaching,
then these people don't have to secede, as neither did Texans who threatened to
if the Democrats kept abusing federal govt as well.

I think what you are saying is these people aren't coming
from that Constitutional perspective but from some agenda or cultural belief outside of it?

Is that the part you are saying comes across as not American?

 

[davecmarino]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Not to mention the fact that more U.S. taxes are collected in the U.S. then any other state in the union... Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

Now convert those revenue numbers by state and break it down on a per person basis. You will find that California is actually just slightly less than the average for all states. Next add back in the federal money that flows back into California and you will see them drop even lower than the middle of the pack as they nearly lead the states in Federally funded welfare payments.

California sucks overall and I've got over a decade of dealing with that state in business to say that. It's a bullshit state with lots of bullshit laws. It's got the distinction for having 3 of the top 5 municipality bankruptcies in the country.

The people and especially their politicians there couldn't find their ass with both hands in a mirrored room.


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looks like you are having problems finding your ass too dave...........just sayin.....

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Post the numbers and I'll post mine. Let's see who knows what the fuck is going on.

Here's a little sample of reality for you douchebag. The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History - pg.1




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there goes the name calling....hey davey,there are lots of people out here who fight against the bullshit that this state throws out....if you actually did business out here you would know that,but being the "douche bag" that you are,i doubt if that you have.....

Ya, I tried to search out more viable areas in Southern California but it was all Democrat controlled near the ports. The Republicans have no power in most of the areas conducive to our business model which were older area in larger cities and port areas for warehousing and transportation to foreign markets.

I did millions of dollars a year in business there for these years. I was happy when we sold the business and I didn't have to make the trips to LA any longer. The bullshit was extreme there from the taxation, the government fee based expenses and compliance, the unions, the heavy costs for warehousing, trucking, utilities.

All of that and we were in a green business that the state wanted to regulate even more because at the time we had a strong market for our products and services.

Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico are so much easier to deal with. I will never again deal with California. Life is too short for their bullshit.

You can keep California, the beaches in Florida are better along with the people.


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[Rustic]

Not to mention the fact that more U.S. taxes are collected in the U.S. then any other state in the union... Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

Now convert those revenue numbers by state and break it down on a per person basis. You will find that California is actually just slightly less than the average for all states. Next add back in the federal money that flows back into California and you will see them drop even lower than the middle of the pack as they nearly lead the states in Federally funded welfare payments.

California sucks overall and I've got over a decade of dealing with that state in business to say that. It's a bullshit state with lots of bullshit laws. It's got the distinction for having 3 of the top 5 municipality bankruptcies in the country.

The people and especially their politicians there couldn't find their ass with both hands in a mirrored room.


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looks like you are having problems finding your ass too dave...........just sayin.....

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Post the numbers and I'll post mine. Let's see who knows what the fuck is going on.

Here's a little sample of reality for you douchebag. The 5 Biggest Municipal Bankruptcies In U.S. History - pg.1




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there goes the name calling....hey davey,there are lots of people out here who fight against the bullshit that this state throws out....if you actually did business out here you would know that,but being the "douche bag" that you are,i doubt if that you have.....

Ya, I tried to search out more viable areas in Southern California but it was all Democrat controlled near the ports. The Republicans have no power in most of the areas conducive to our business model which were older area in larger cities and port areas for warehousing and transportation to foreign markets.

I did millions of dollars a year in business there for these years. I was happy when we sold the business and I didn't have to make the trips to LA any longer. The bullshit was extreme there from the taxation, the government fee based expenses and compliance, the unions, the heavy costs for warehousing, trucking, utilities.

All of that and we were in a green business that the state wanted to regulate even more because at the time we had a strong market for our products and services.

Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico are so much easier to deal with. I will never again deal with California. Life is too short for their bullshit.

You can keep California, the beaches in Florida are better along with the people.


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Conservatives have no rights in California

 

[Flopper]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

There is always somebody that thinks their state should secede and it's so much nonsense. In 2006, it was Alaska. Florida in 1982, Georgia in 2009, Hawaii in 2011, Washington DC in 2007, Montana in 2008, etc...

States do not secede for two reasons. The federal government would not let it happen and 2nd even states like California with a large GDP are still must better off in the United States than out. As an independent state, they would have to provide for their own defense, protect their boarders, negotiate trade treaties, defense alliances, Inact and enforce a lol of federal laws, and essential duplicate the federal bureaucracy on a smaller scale. Goods and services that flow freely across the state boarders would be subject tariffs and other restrictions. Relationships between the US and the previous state could easy turn hostile causing even more problems.

Secession in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Rustic]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

There is always somebody that thinks their state should secede and it's so much nonsense. In 2006, it was Alaska. Florida in 1982, Georgia in 2009, Hawaii in 2011, Washington DC in 2007, Montana in 2008, etc...

States do not secede for two reasons. The federal government would not let it happen and 2nd even states like California with a large GDP are still must better off in the United States than out. As an independent state, they would have to provide for their own defense, protect their boarders, negotiate trade treaties, defense alliances, Inact and enforce a lol of federal laws, and essential duplicate the federal bureaucracy on a smaller scale. Goods and services that flow freely across the state boarders would be subject tariffs and other restrictions. Relationships between the US and the previous state could easy turn hostile causing even more problems.

Secession in the United States - Wikipedia

The behavior of the federal government may make it impossible for the country just stay together in the future. Paying debt with more debt and paying that debt with printed paper… Is a good start for destroying The United States.

 

[HenryBHough]

Imagine America without California.

Perhaps something to be compared to as Ted (The Great Swimmer) Kennedy might have felt had it been possible remove his brain tumor.

 

[kaz]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Because their socialism is taking all that out of the rest of the US

Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

That's one slice of the discussion. My point wasn't on Federal tax revenue only. California is doing nothing but endorsing every socialist Democrat for President, sending socialists to the Senate and mostly sending socialists to the House. Tax and spending is why our economy can't get started. We'd be better off without them

that is one of the good reasons to amend the constitution to lose the 17th amendment

The worst of all the Constitutional amendments

 

[jon_berzerk]

The fifth biggest economy in the world...sure...why would you want to keep them in the US?

Because their socialism is taking all that out of the rest of the US

Federal tax revenue by state - Wikipedia

That's one slice of the discussion. My point wasn't on Federal tax revenue only. California is doing nothing but endorsing every socialist Democrat for President, sending socialists to the Senate and mostly sending socialists to the House. Tax and spending is why our economy can't get started. We'd be better off without them

that is one of the good reasons to amend the constitution to lose the 17th amendment

The worst of all the Constitutional amendments

it really is from a states rights perspective

we are really close to having enough state legislatures to ratify an amendment

we could already be ready with a handful of on the fence states