Who is a Jordanian and why all pali's are Jordanians

[Humanity]

Why would Jordan, a country of indigenous Bedouins that had already received enough Palestinians to threaten their majority status accept more? I don't get your point.

Because that is what the mandate said was to be the outcome, and being 4 times the size of Israel and with less than half of the population they could very easily absorb the arab muslim deserters. By the way the ruler of Jordan was neither Palestinian nor Bedouin, he was an arab and was given the land so he did not feel left out.

 

[Phoenall]

Only the native Bedouins were "awarded" Trans-Jordania. The native Palestinians lived in Palestine.

WRONG again freddy boy as it was the Hashemite prince awarded trans Jordan in 1923, along with the slaves that lived there and would be shipped in from the west. Try reading some proper history books and not those from the propaganda sextion of the UN archives.

 

[Phoenall]

Only the native Bedouins were "awarded" Trans-Jordania. The native Palestinians lived in Palestine.

WHICH WAS PART OF PALESTINE ACCORDING TO THE MANDATE OF PALESTINE.

 

[Fishlore]

On the global scale, the Palestine-Israel conflict is a provincial squabble. To the vast majority of people on the planet, the whole business is remote from their lives and their national interest. It is on the same scale as the conflict between Hutsi and Tutu; less bloddy and, if anytihing, clearer cut and less important.

Not so in the USA the EU. Here historical and religious ties make the Palestin-Israel conflict paramount in political importance. Tragically, the same forces that make Americans unable to overlook the conflict make it impossible for us to see it clearly. Passionate partisanship, religious fervor, tribal identification and outright racism muddy the waters to the point where, after over 40 years of persuing some "peace process" we are all worse off than before.

The Palestine-Israel conflict is now a twenty-first century issue. Alas, the USA is entering the conflict blindfolded by twentieth century guilt, fear and prejudice. We can't resolve the problem; at this point, all we can do is obstruct progress to a solution in order to protect our "ally" or client state, Israel, which finds itself on the wrong side of history and unable to cease its bad behavior

We aren't going to prevail in this Palestine-Israel conflict and our backing the illegal actions of our partner in Likud is going to end badly for both the US and Israel. An avoidable tragdy that we can no longer avoid.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Why would Jordan, a country of indigenous Bedouins that had already received enough Palestinians to threaten their majority status accept more? I don't get your point.

Because that is what the mandate said was to be the outcome, and being 4 times the size of Israel and with less than half of the population they could very easily absorb the arab muslim deserters. By the way the ruler of Jordan was neither Palestinian nor Bedouin, he was an arab and was given the land so he did not feel left out.

Everyone knows that Jordan is an artificial country that was lopped off the Palestine Mandate and named after a river. They even instituted a kingdom to make it sound ancient.

 

[Phoenall]

They certainly aren't IDF.

You are actually breaking forum rules posting fabricated charts without a source.

You will find a link to the official archive that the facts are derived from. In this case it is the U.N. archive that also manages the archives of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

So, you are sticking to Zionist myth no.1 or no. 2. That Palestinians don't exist. Good for you, you are consistent.

Bzzz wrong. You've done it a thousand times with your repetive bullshit charts.

Any charts I post are from the official government or academic archives and the link to said archive is provided.
Your problem is that you can't handle the truth.

The one from the committee is neither academic nor official government, the fact that it carries a price tag shows that it is a novel and not based on real facts

 

[Roudy]

Why would Jordan, a country of indigenous Bedouins that had already received enough Palestinians to threaten their majority status accept more? I don't get your point.

Because that is what the mandate said was to be the outcome, and being 4 times the size of Israel and with less than half of the population they could very easily absorb the arab muslim deserters. By the way the ruler of Jordan was neither Palestinian nor Bedouin, he was an arab and was given the land so he did not feel left out.

Everyone knows that Jordan is an artificial country that was lopped off the Palestine Mandate and named after a river. They even instituted a kingdom to make it sound ancient.

They brought in a ruler from Saudi Arabia to rule over Jordan, but I guess that was fine with the Arabs, after all he was a fellow Muslim, and that's all that counted.

 

[Roudy]

On the global scale, the Palestine-Israel conflict is a provincial squabble. To the vast majority of people on the planet, the whole business is remote from their lives and their national interest. It is on the same scale as the conflict between Hutsi and Tutu; less bloddy and, if anytihing, clearer cut and less important.

Not so in the USA the EU. Here historical and religious ties make the Palestin-Israel conflict paramount in political importance. Tragically, the same forces that make Americans unable to overlook the conflict make it impossible for us to see it clearly. Passionate partisanship, religious fervor, tribal identification and outright racism muddy the waters to the point where, after over 40 years of persuing some "peace process" we are all worse off than before.

The Palestine-Israel conflict is now a twenty-first century issue. Alas, the USA is entering the conflict blindfolded by twentieth century guilt, fear and prejudice. We can't resolve the problem; at this point, all we can do is obstruct progress to a solution in order to protect our "ally" or client state, Israel, which finds itself on the wrong side of history and unable to cease its bad behavior

We aren't going to prevail in this Palestine-Israel conflict and our backing the illegal actions of our partner in Likud is going to end badly for both the US and Israel. An avoidable tragdy that we can no longer avoid.

Palestinians are engaged in an Islamic Nazi Jihad, they don't want peace and coexistence they want the destruction of Israel because it is a Jewish state. This has become abundantly clear over the last 70 years, especially with the rise of modern Islamism. Palestinians are led by Hamas, which is exactly the same as ISIS or the Taliban, except the geographical location is different.

The best thing the US can do is either side with its ally Israel, or stay out of it entirely. In about two generations there will be enough Jews in the West bank for Israelis to completely annex it, and by then Egypt will swallow Gaza due to the security concerns Hamas poses for Egypt.

Game over.

 

[Phoenall]

Why would Jordan, a country of indigenous Bedouins that had already received enough Palestinians to threaten their majority status accept more? I don't get your point.

Because that is what the mandate said was to be the outcome, and being 4 times the size of Israel and with less than half of the population they could very easily absorb the arab muslim deserters. By the way the ruler of Jordan was neither Palestinian nor Bedouin, he was an arab and was given the land so he did not feel left out.

Mandate of Palestine. Try reading all of it and not just the bits that meet with your anti Jew dogma

 

[Phoenall]

Flag Boy how I missed you ;--)

And look who's complaining about sources. I haven't seen a source out of our terrorist sympathizers in ages.

And nice fail to address the subject ;--) which of course is that there is no such thing as palestinians since there is no such thing as palestine. There's Israel and there's Jordan.

But where is palestine ?

No all so called palestinians were retroactively incorporated into Jordan dating back to its inception in 1922 ish. The Jordanians then discriminated against much of its own Arab Muslim population and illegally stripped them of Jordanian citizenship. Thats the real crime, not that there is no such thing as palestine

So the fucktard troll can't provide anything to back up his shit graphs...

And cherry picking history makes you look like even more of a complete **** than normal...

Your inane rantings here are not factual, hence why you cannot provide a single link supporting your trolling words!

Post after post of BS cherry picked 'information' without any links to back up your BS... It looks like Phoneall in disguise!

So when will you provide the links asked for over the last year, something that you refuse to do while moaning that others do it

 

[montelatici]

Why would Jordan, a country of indigenous Bedouins that had already received enough Palestinians to threaten their majority status accept more? I don't get your point.

Because that is what the mandate said was to be the outcome, and being 4 times the size of Israel and with less than half of the population they could very easily absorb the arab muslim deserters. By the way the ruler of Jordan was neither Palestinian nor Bedouin, he was an arab and was given the land so he did not feel left out.

Everyone knows that Jordan is an artificial country that was lopped off the Palestine Mandate and named after a river. They even instituted a kingdom to make it sound ancient.

That is not at all historical fact.

Firstly, of course the first king of Jordan Abdullah the First was a Bedouin, he was a Hashemite. The Hashemites are descendants of Mohammed, who was a Bedouin of the Quraish Bedouin tribe. The Sauds, their rivals, by the way, are also descendants of Mohammed, and also Bedouins.

Feisal (Abdullah's brother) was the ruler of the Arab Kingdom of Syria with its court in Damascus. What became named Trans-Jordan was mostly the southwest portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria with Amman as the provincial capital. A small part of the northern Hejaz (Saudi Arabia) was incorporated into Trans-Jordan too. The inhabitants of Trans-Jordan were Bedouins, so they readily accepted a Bedouin king.

 

[Boston1]

Ole Monty and his/her history class ;--)

Sorry but we've been over that one and the Jordanian kings have declared Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan

Get over it

 

[Fishlore]

On the global scale, the Palestine-Israel conflict is a provincial squabble. To the vast majority of people on the planet, the whole business is remote from their lives and their national interest. It is on the same scale as the conflict between Hutsi and Tutu; less bloddy and, if anytihing, clearer cut and less important.

Not so in the USA the EU. Here historical and religious ties make the Palestin-Israel conflict paramount in political importance. Tragically, the same forces that make Americans unable to overlook the conflict make it impossible for us to see it clearly. Passionate partisanship, religious fervor, tribal identification and outright racism muddy the waters to the point where, after over 40 years of persuing some "peace process" we are all worse off than before.

The Palestine-Israel conflict is now a twenty-first century issue. Alas, the USA is entering the conflict blindfolded by twentieth century guilt, fear and prejudice. We can't resolve the problem; at this point, all we can do is obstruct progress to a solution in order to protect our "ally" or client state, Israel, which finds itself on the wrong side of history and unable to cease its bad behavior

We aren't going to prevail in this Palestine-Israel conflict and our backing the illegal actions of our partner in Likud is going to end badly for both the US and Israel. An avoidable tragdy that we can no longer avoid.

Palestinians are engaged in an Islamic Nazi Jihad, they don't want peace and coexistence they want the destruction of Israel because it is a Jewish state. This has become abundantly clear over the last 70 years, especially with the rise of modern Islamism. Palestinians are led by Hamas, which is exactly the same as ISIS or the Taliban, except the geographical location is different.

The best thing the US can do is either side with its ally Israel, or stay out of it entirely. In about two generations there will be enough Jews in the West bank for Israelis to completely annex it, and by then Egypt will swallow Gaza due to the security concerns Hamas poses for Egypt.

Game over.

You think Israel is winning and that it will be "just Jews from the river to the sea"? That's a view that isn't widely shared these days.

Annexing the entire West Bank isn't a matter of getting enough "settlers" in place. The real problem is what do do with three million Palestinians living there now. They can't be given civil rights or Israel will become a secular state. Herding them into camps or driving them over the borders might appeal to ultra-Orthodox Zionists but is unlikely to receive passive acceptance from the rest of the world.

 

[Boston1]

On the global scale, the Palestine-Israel conflict is a provincial squabble. To the vast majority of people on the planet, the whole business is remote from their lives and their national interest. It is on the same scale as the conflict between Hutsi and Tutu; less bloddy and, if anytihing, clearer cut and less important.

Not so in the USA the EU. Here historical and religious ties make the Palestin-Israel conflict paramount in political importance. Tragically, the same forces that make Americans unable to overlook the conflict make it impossible for us to see it clearly. Passionate partisanship, religious fervor, tribal identification and outright racism muddy the waters to the point where, after over 40 years of persuing some "peace process" we are all worse off than before.

The Palestine-Israel conflict is now a twenty-first century issue. Alas, the USA is entering the conflict blindfolded by twentieth century guilt, fear and prejudice. We can't resolve the problem; at this point, all we can do is obstruct progress to a solution in order to protect our "ally" or client state, Israel, which finds itself on the wrong side of history and unable to cease its bad behavior

We aren't going to prevail in this Palestine-Israel conflict and our backing the illegal actions of our partner in Likud is going to end badly for both the US and Israel. An avoidable tragdy that we can no longer avoid.

Palestinians are engaged in an Islamic Nazi Jihad, they don't want peace and coexistence they want the destruction of Israel because it is a Jewish state. This has become abundantly clear over the last 70 years, especially with the rise of modern Islamism. Palestinians are led by Hamas, which is exactly the same as ISIS or the Taliban, except the geographical location is different.

The best thing the US can do is either side with its ally Israel, or stay out of it entirely. In about two generations there will be enough Jews in the West bank for Israelis to completely annex it, and by then Egypt will swallow Gaza due to the security concerns Hamas poses for Egypt.

Game over.

You think Israel is winning and that it will be "just Jews from the river to the sea"? That's a view that isn't widely shared these days.

Annexing the entire West Bank isn't a matter of getting enough "settlers" in place. The real problem is what do do with three million Palestinians living there now. They can't be given civil rights or Israel will become a secular state. Herding them into camps or driving them over the borders might appeal to ultra-Orthodox Zionists but is unlikely to receive passive acceptance from the rest of the world.

Not a problem, combatants are not protected persons, they are POWs and MUST be repatriated, in this case to a neutral third party preferably within a year of the end of hostilities but sooner is OK. ;--)

The process is simple. Throw out the UNWRA and bring in the ICRC. Set up aid distribution centers just outside the terrorist enclaves where no aid is distributed until a status determination can be made. All combatants, those who've aided combatants or those suspected of being or aiding combatants AND THEIR DESCENDANTS can be segregated from civilians, I doubt there are to many legitimate refugees in the pile.

Exactly as the Geneva Convention specifies.

My bet is Israel could legitimately send 75% of them straight back to Jordan, if not more.

Problem solved.

They are after all Jordanians in the first place ;--)

There is of course another avenue. One the Jordanians themselves are taking. Simply strip them of citizenship and therefor residency and throw the bums out.

See
Jordan strips Palestinians' citizenship - Jerusalem Post

 

[Shusha]

The real problem is what do do with three million Palestinians living there now. They can't be given civil rights....

Of course they can be given civil rights. Just like the Arabs living in Israel now.

 

[Boston1]

I'd go the other direction with it Shusha. I don't think you can negotiate with these kinda people.

My take is Israel should follow the Geneva Convention to the letter and segregate the civilians and any legitimate refugees, from the combatants. Kick the combatants out. Its all spelled out in the conventions.

If the Jordanians can play the strip them of their citizenship game, Israel can actually follow the law and throw them right back to Jordan.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...lJOzjZ4SET8_LHbbw&sig2=9F3cFfX6tCjDesdgVcZjNQ

 

[Roudy]

Ole Monty and his/her history class ;--)

Sorry but we've been over that one and the Jordanian kings have declared Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan

Get over it

And we even showed official Jordanian stamps which said "Palestine" on them. Perhaps we should post them again? Would the real "Palestine" please stand up?! Ha ha ha.

 

[montelatici]

Ole Monty and his/her history class ;--)

Sorry but we've been over that one and the Jordanian kings have declared Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan

Get over it

Yes, your Zionist myth. It's a myth Ruddy, a lie. The facts are the facts.

 

[Roudy]

Ole Monty and his/her history class ;--)

Sorry but we've been over that one and the Jordanian kings have declared Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan

Get over it

Yes, your Zionist myth. It's a myth Ruddy, a lie. The facts are the facts.

No myth, Nazi boy. "Palestine Trans-Jordan" stamps, why would a govt. / country distribute these if the entity Palestine Trans-Jordan never existed? Keep braying:

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.