Who Built the Egyptian Pyramids?

[rightwinger]

here was a similar idea in Stalinist Russia------all of the accomplishments of SCIENCE of
the 19th and 20th centuries were "discovered" by RUSSIANS

There is a similar idea from Republicans that all accomplishments of Science are.....Fake news

 

[irosie91]

Both were ruled by Egypt.

Wrong again----the land called CANAAN was at the crossroads of
lots of warring parties-----it was not occupied by egyptian rulers

 

[irosie91]

There is a similar idea from Republicans that all accomplishments of Science is......Fake news

the tendency for this or that group to claim credit or assign blame is
ETERNAL

 

[surada]

Wrong again----the land called CANAAN was at the crossroads of
lots of warring parties-----it was not occupied by egyptian rulers

They have found Eguptian houses, pottery and tiles etc in Canaan and evidence for the Egyptian garrisons who were also there.

 

[HenryBHough]

Xiden!

If you don't believe Xiden built the pyramids just ask any Democrat. You'll be convinced or you will "suicide".

 

[Indeependent]

They have found Eguptian houses, pottery and tiles etc in Canaan and evidence for the Egyptian garrisons who were also there.

Of course they were in the land that they conquered from the Shemites.
The Shemites simply conquered it back, which in your opinion, was a bad conquest.
According to you, all non-Shemites good, all Shemites bad.

 

[MisterBeale]

The pyramids are likely lost technology and much older than believed. Great video that dispels much of establishment theories.

Pyramids of Egypt: Debunking Textbooks in 5 Minutes (Lost Ancient Techno... | Great pyramid of giza, Pyramids of giza, Ancient egyptian architecture

Jan 20, 2017 - The Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt & The Ancient Egyptians.

pin.it

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Eery coincidence? The constant of speed of light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza - Ancient Code

Is it just an eerie coincidence that the speed of Light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza? The speed of light in a vacuum is 299, 792, 458

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(PDF) The Great Pyramid's conspicuous speed of light latitude is no accident

PDF | The Great Pyramid was built ∼4500 years ago but a neighbouring monument exhibits considerably greater signs of ageing. Sea levels were appreciably... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

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[Clyde 154]

Who built the Egyptian pyramids?

There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.

Live Science
Who built the Egyptian pyramids?
Owen Jarus 3 hrs ago


Egypt's pyramids are an archaeological marvel, rising high above the desert sands and visible for miles on end. Building these pyramids was undoubtedly a mammoth task, so who were the individuals that pulled it off?

a man riding a horse in a desert with Great Pyramid of Giza in the background: A Bedouin on a camel by the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure at the Giza Necropolis in Egypt.© Provided by Live Science A Bedouin on a camel by the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure at the Giza Necropolis in Egypt.
There are many theories about who built Egypt's pyramids, including large teams of enslaved Jewish people and wilder ideas, such as inhabitants of the 'lost' city of Atlantis or even aliens.

None of these theories, however, have evidence to back them up.

The pyramids could not have been constructed by Jewish slaves, as no archaeological remains that can be directly linked to the Jewish people have been found in Egypt that date back to 4,500 years ago, when the Giza pyramids were built, archaeological research has revealed. Additionally the story told in the Hebrew Bible about Jews being slaves in Egypt refers to a city named "Ramesses." A city named pi-Ramesses was founded during the 19th dynasty (about 1295-1186 B.C.) and was named after Ramesses II, who ruled 1279–1213 BC. This city was constructed after the era of pyramid construction had ended in Egypt.

"We have no clue, not even a single word, about early Israelites in Egypt: neither in monumental inscriptions on walls of temples, nor in tomb inscriptions, nor in papyri," wrote archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman in their book "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of its Sacred Texts" (The Free Press, 2001).

What's more, no archaeological evidence has ever been found for the lost city of Atlantis in any time period, and many scholars believe that the story is fictional. As for aliens, well, that idea is out of this world.

In fact, all the evidence shows that the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids, Egyptologists say. But how the pyramid builders lived, how they were compensated and how they were treated is a mystery that researchers are still investigating.

The pyramids and their builders
Egypt has more than 100 ancient pyramids, but its most famous include the first step pyramid, built during the reign of the pharaoh Djoser (about 2630-2611 B.C.), and the first true pyramid — one that has smooth sides — built under the rule of pharaoh Snefru (about 2575-2551 B.C.), Mark Lehner wrote in his book, "The Complete Pyramids: Solving the Ancient Mysteries" (Thames & Hudson, 2008). The Great Pyramid was constructed at Giza during the reign of pharaoh Khufu (about 2551-2528 B.C.), and two of his successors, Khafre (about 2520-2494 B.C.) and Menkaure (about 2490-2472 B.C.), also had pyramids built at Giza.

Pharaohs gradually stopped building pyramids during the New Kingdom (1550-1070 B.C.), choosing instead to be buried in the Valley of the Kings, which is located about 300 miles (483 km) south of Giza, Lehner noted in his book. Over the past few decades, archaeologists have found new pieces of evidence that provide clues as to who the pyramid builders were and how they lived.

Surviving written records, including papyri discovered in 2013 at Wadi al-Jarf on Egypt's Red Sea coast, indicate that large groups of workers — sometimes translated as "gangs" — helped bring material to Giza. The papyri found at Wadi al-Jarf tell of a group of 200 men headed by an inspector named Merer. The group of workers transported limestone by boat along the Nile River a distance of about 11 miles (18 kilometers) from Tura to the Great Pyramid, where the stone was used to build the outer casing of the monument.

In the past, Egyptologists had theorized that the pyramid builders were largely made up of seasonal agricultural workers who had reached a point in the year in which there was little agricultural work to be done. However, it remains to be seen whether this is actually true. The papyri detailing the pyramid's histories are still in the process of being deciphered and analyzed, but the results indicate that the gang led by Merer did far more than help with pyramid construction.

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Again with the subjective statements with no objective evidence? You state that no Hebrews were ever in Egypt? Apparently you have never heard of the "Mernepath Steele", discovered by Sir Flinders Petrie in 1896?

This monument was originally located in the pharaoh's mortuary temple in western Thebes .......its currently housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cario. This stele mentions the triumph of Merneptah (1213-1203 BC)....this triumph was over "9" different political groups in Canaan.......the steele finds the pharaoh bragging about those who he routed....among those, the stele clearly states, "....Israel is wasted....its seed is not........."

Canaan was part of the Egyptian empire.....no?

Is Israel nothing more than another group of Canaanites as claimed by some? Hardly. The manner in which the name Israel is recorded is inscription via "Hieroglyphs" known as a throw stick (used expressly to denote a foreign peoples). This sign (the throw stick heiroglyph" is followed by a people determinative, a heiroglyph depicting a man and woman sitting down with 3 vertical stokes (indicating a plurality) beneath them. This sign is used to reference a nomadic tribal people with no central government......this stele is very similar to the depiction of Israel in the books of Exodus through Judges; describing a nomadic tribe with no king. A tribe with certain commandments, they were not to marry outside their tribes,(Ex. 31:31-33, 34:12-16( they were not to eat (as established by the Lev. tribes Lev. 11) pork (funny, swine were a popular food source to the peoples of southwest Canaan, acceptable in the Transjordan.....pig fossils are found all over this region.

Archaeology tells us that about 300 different small fragments of settlements (Known as Israelites by archaeologists) were found in the Judean Highlands......with the absence of any swine fossils whatsoever. (era 12-13th century BC)

Noooooooooooooo evidence? Really?

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sparky]

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Eery coincidence? The constant of speed of light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza - Ancient Code

Is it just an eerie coincidence that the speed of Light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza? The speed of light in a vacuum is 299, 792, 458

www.ancient-code.com

(PDF) The Great Pyramid's conspicuous speed of light latitude is no accident

PDF | The Great Pyramid was built ∼4500 years ago but a neighbouring monument exhibits considerably greater signs of ageing. Sea levels were appreciably... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

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Fascinating , to think they had their own Einstein's Mr B.....

(PDF) The Great Pyramid's conspicuous speed of light latitude is no accident

PDF | The Great Pyramid was built ∼4500 years ago but a neighbouring monument exhibits considerably greater signs of ageing. Sea levels were appreciably... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

~S~

 

[surada]

Again with the subjective statements with no objective evidence? You state that no Hebrews were ever in Egypt? Apparently you have never heard of the "Mernepath Steele", discovered by Sir Flinders Petrie in 1896?

This monument was originally located in the pharaoh's mortuary temple in western Thebes .......its currently housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cario. This stele mentions the triumph of Merneptah (1213-1203 BC)....this triumph was over "9" different political groups in Canaan.......the steele finds the pharaoh bragging about those who he routed....among those, the stele clearly states, "....Israel is wasted....its seed is not........."

Canaan was part of the Egyptian empire.....no?

Is Israel nothing more than another group of Canaanites as claimed by some? Hardly. The manner in which the name Israel is recorded is inscription via "Hieroglyphs" known as a throw stick (used expressly to denote a foreign peoples). This sign (the throw stick heiroglyph" is followed by a people determinative, a heiroglyph depicting a man and woman sitting down with 3 vertical stokes (indicating a plurality) beneath them. This sign is used to reference a nomadic tribal people with no central government......this stele is very similar to the depiction of Israel in the books of Exodus through Judges; describing a nomadic tribe with no king. A tribe with certain commandments, they were not to marry outside their tribes,(Ex. 31:31-33, 34:12-16( they were not to eat (as established by the Lev. tribes Lev. 11) pork (funny, swine were a popular food source to the peoples of southwest Canaan, acceptable in the Transjordan.....pig fossils are found all over this region.

Archaeology tells us that about 300 different small fragments of settlements (Known as Israelites by archaeologists) were found in the Judean Highlands......with the absence of any swine fossils whatsoever. (era 12-13th century BC)

Noooooooooooooo evidence? Really?

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Read it again.

The princes are prostrate, saying, "Peace!"
Not one is raising his head among the Nine Bows.
Now that Tehenu (Libya) has come to ruin,
Hatti is pacified;
The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe:
Ashkelon has been overcome;
Gezer has been captured;
Yano'am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not;
Hurru is become a widow because of Egypt.

The stele is referring to people groups not countries.

 

[surada]

 

[Clyde 154]

Read it again.

The princes are prostrate, saying, "Peace!"
Not one is raising his head among the Nine Bows.
Now that Tehenu (Libya) has come to ruin,
Hatti is pacified;
The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe:
Ashkelon has been overcome;
Gezer has been captured;
Yano'am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not;
Hurru is become a widow because of Egypt.

The stele is referring to people groups not countries.

Question? Why are you so bigoted against HISTORY ACTUAL..i.e., THE TRUTH. Is this the type of doctrine taught by YOUR RELIGION? Hatred and Bigotry? You must resort to lies and attempted deceit?

FYI: Again with the deflection.......first its NO EVIDENCE......now when confronted with scientific evidence........you change your argument from NO evidence to NO EVIDENCE of a nation.....when the Holy Scriptures agree with the stele that at that time period ISRAEL was still a NOMAIC group of tribes without a king or central government (Exodus-Judges), YOU CONTRADICT your own blatant LIE.

Fact: Israel did exist as nomadic tribes of foreigners in a foreign land (Canaan.....under the rule of Egypt) without a king or central government as validated by the stele and the Holy Scriptures (Exodus - Judges).

As the evidence of the stele details........"foreigners" whose "seed" still existed (again as evidenced by Archaeology there were some "300" groups/tribes of these foreigners living in the hills in Canaan, isolated and separate from any other groups with a diet that forbid the eating of PORK and the social mores' forbidding the marriage outside these TRIBES.......just as recorded in the Holy Bible, a group of Nomadic tribes without a central government and no king (Exodus - Judges) and the Book of Lev.

You just "blatantly" LIED when you stated as a "matter of fact"...........there is NO evidence that Israel ever existed in Egypt. Then when the pharaoh's own Words are found and translated that declares in a bragging manner how his kingdom had "laid waste" to ISRAEL but ITS seed still exists.

Up pops your devil and contradicts your lie.

There is a great deal more archaeological evidence that supports the fact that ISAREL did exist.....next we find Archaeology validating the "accuracy" of the Holy Scriptures with the "Moabite Stone"/ "Mesha Stele" discovered in 1886 by a missionary worker by the name of Kline. Who contacted French scholar Clermont - Ganneau who made an impression of the writing on the stone.

Arabs, charging theft of a religious artifact stole the stone and broke it into pieces and scattered it after burning it.....but over 2/3 of the stone was recovered and currently resides at the "Louvre" in Paris.

The stone is dated to around 850 BC and details how the king of Moab details his many conquests and how he "reacquisted" land controlled by ISRAEL.

The stone consists of 260 words found in the remnants............a 30 line text, this text mentions "Omri' the king of Israel who had previously oppressed Moab and mentions the son of Omri "how desire had come upon Omri's son".

Fact: The Mesha Stone cites "Omri" as the king of Israel, just as recorded in the Holy Bible (1 Kings 16:21-28)....furthermore it mentions the son of Omri (Ahab) as being in close relationships with the "Moabites" just as Kings 3:4-6 records.

The stele further names the tribe of Israelites known as "GAD" and the Israelite God "Yahweh". For a group of Peoples that "never existed"..........as a Matter of Fact according to you, this non-existent group of people sure seemed to be popular in and around the Egyptian Empire........according to SCIENCE and HISTORY. But who are they to contradict your BIGOTRY?

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele]

The Moabite Stone, otherwise known as the Mesha Stele, contains an ancient inscription by Mesha, King of Moab during the late 9th century BCE, elements of which match events in the Hebrew Bible. The...

www.worldhistory.org

 

[surada]

Question? Why are you so bigoted against HISTORY ACTUAL..i.e., THE TRUTH. Is this the type of doctrine taught by YOUR RELIGION? Hatred and Bigotry? You must resort to lies and attempted deceit?

FYI: Again with the deflection.......first its NO EVIDENCE......now when confronted with scientific evidence........you change your argument from NO evidence to NO EVIDENCE of a nation.....when the Holy Scriptures agree with the stele that at that time period ISRAEL was still a NOMAIC group of tribes without a king or central government (Exodus-Judges), YOU CONTRADICT your own blatant LIE.

Fact: Israel did exist as nomadic tribes of foreigners in a foreign land (Canaan.....under the rule of Egypt) without a king or central government as validated by the stele and the Holy Scriptures (Exodus - Judges).

As the evidence of the stele details........"foreigners" whose "seed" still existed (again as evidenced by Archaeology there were some "300" groups/tribes of these foreigners living in the hills in Canaan, isolated and separate from any other groups with a diet that forbid the eating of PORK and the social mores' forbidding the marriage outside these TRIBES.......just as recorded in the Holy Bible, a group of Nomadic tribes without a central government and no king (Exodus - Judges) and the Book of Lev.

You just "blatantly" LIED when you stated as a "matter of fact"...........there is NO evidence that Israel ever existed in Egypt. Then when the pharaoh's own Words are found and translated that declares in a bragging manner how his kingdom had "laid waste" to ISRAEL but ITS seed still exists.

Up pops your devil and contradicts your lie.

There is a great deal more archaeological evidence that supports the fact that ISAREL did exist.....next we find Archaeology validating the "accuracy" of the Holy Scriptures with the "Moabite Stone"/ "Mesha Stele" discovered in 1886 by a missionary worker by the name of Kline. Who contacted French scholar Clermont - Ganneau who made an impression of the writing on the stone.

Arabs, charging theft of a religious artifact stole the stone and broke it into pieces and scattered it after burning it.....but over 2/3 of the stone was recovered and currently resides at the "Louvre" in Paris.

The stone is dated to around 850 BC and details how the king of Moab details his many conquests and how he "reacquisted" land controlled by ISRAEL.

The stone consists of 260 words found in the remnants............a 30 line text, this text mentions "Omri' the king of Israel who had previously oppressed Moab and mentions the son of Omri "how desire had come upon Omri's son".

Fact: The Mesha Stone cites "Omri" as the king of Israel, just as recorded in the Holy Bible (1 Kings 16:21-28)....furthermore it mentions the son of Omri (Ahab) as being in close relationships with the "Moabites" just as Kings 3:4-6 records.

The stele further names the tribe of Israelites known as "GAD" and the Israelite God "Yahweh". For a group of Peoples that "never existed"..........as a Matter of Fact according to you, this non-existent group of people sure seemed to be popular in and around the Egyptian Empire........according to SCIENCE and HISTORY. But who are they to contradict your BIGOTRY?

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele]

The Moabite Stone, otherwise known as the Mesha Stele, contains an ancient inscription by Mesha, King of Moab during the late 9th century BCE, elements of which match events in the Hebrew Bible. The...

www.worldhistory.org

There is no evidence of the Exodus and no evidence that Israel was ever a military power. During times of famine and drought lots of nomads went to the Nile Delta to survive. They walked in and out. Sinai was under Egyptian control and successful Canaanite cities paid tribute to Pharaoh.

Archaeology has turned up a large Egyptian presence in Canaan and worship of Ashera, the Queen of Heaven.

 

[Clyde 154]

There is no evidence of the Exodus and no evidence that Israel was ever a military power. During times of famine and drought lots of nomads went to the Nile Delta to survive. They walked in and out. Sinai was under Egyptian control and successful Canaanite cities paid tribute to Pharaoh.

Archaeology has turned up a large Egyptian presence in Canaan and worship of Ashera, the Queen of Heaven.

Now.....its NO EXODUS? LMAO From as a MATTER OF FACT there is NO EVIDENCE of Israel within the Egyptian kingdom.......to NO evidence of a Nation.........now its no evidence of an Exodus? Is there anyone on this site that respects your bigoted opinions? You have lost all credibility.....if you ever had any. Question just how does one archaeological discovery negate the historical importance of another? Israel was never a military power........when the king of Moah, in his own words told of a victory against Israel in retaking land that Israel had occupied in combat previously........is NO EVIDENCE? Again you blatantly lie........THERE IS EVIDENCE OF ISRAEL ENGAGING IN COMBAT WITH THE KING OF MOAB.

Can you actually comprehend ENGLISH? Is it a 2nd language? You can lie as and present evidence of things NOT FOUND as some kind of subjective evidence.....but your negative (not found) does not negate that which that has been found and recorded in Science and History. Clearly these archaeological finds detail a historical journey of Israel that began as tribes of Nomadic people and eventually (12-1300 BC) established a kingdom with a king that ruled over the tribe of Isarel known as GAD (850 BC) just as recorded in the Holy Scriptures.

Next there is evidence of Joshua's conquests/battle in the lands of northern Palestine in the 13th century. In archaeological excavations at "HAZOR" Yigael Yadin found evidence of that the city had been destroyed..........this is identified as "Joshua's Conquest".

Tel Hazor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

Now.....its NO EXODUS? LMAO From as a MATTER OF FACT there is NO EVIDENCE of Israel within the Egyptian kingdom.......to NO evidence of a Nation.........now its no evidence of an Exodus? Is there anyone on this site that respects your bigoted opinions? You have lost all credibility.....if you ever had any. Question just how does one archaeological discovery negate the historical importance of another? Israel was never a military power........when the king of Moah, in his own words told of a victory against Israel in retaking land that Israel had occupied in combat previously........is NO EVIDENCE?

Pinpointing the Exodus from Egypt | Harvard Divinity Bulletin

Pinpointing the Exodus from Egypt

An edited chapter from איך נולד התנ”ך [How The Bible Was Born]. By Israel Knohl

bulletin.hds.harvard.edu

The probability that an Exodus occurred in 1186 BCE vanishes in comparison to the probability that no Exodus occurred at all. All of the archaeological and linguistic evidence shows that the Israelites developed peacefully in Canaan as Canaanite — there was no sojourn in Egypt, there was no Moses, there was no Exodus, and there was no conquering war.

 

[surada]

Of course they were in the land that they conquered from the Shemites.
The Shemites simply conquered it back, which in your opinion, was a bad conquest.
According to you, all non-Shemites good, all Shemites bad.

You believe the story of Noah?

 

[surada]

Did the Exodus Really Happen? Rabbi David Wolpe on the ...

Did the Exodus Really Happen?

Knowing the Exodus is not a literal historical account does not ultimately change our connection to each other or to God.

www.beliefnet.com

In a book explaining how orthodox scholarship views the Torah, Rabbi Shlomo Carmy writes that he was always troubled by the omission of the exodus from Egypt in the book of Chronicles.

 

[Clyde 154]

Pinpointing the Exodus from Egypt | Harvard Divinity Bulletin

Pinpointing the Exodus from Egypt

An edited chapter from איך נולד התנ”ך [How The Bible Was Born]. By Israel Knohl

bulletin.hds.harvard.edu

The probability that an Exodus occurred in 1186 BCE vanishes in comparison to the probability that no Exodus occurred at all. All of the archaeological and linguistic evidence shows that the Israelites developed peacefully in Canaan as Canaanite — there was no sojourn in Egypt, there was no Moses, there was no Exodus, and there was no conquering war.

Subjective Rhetoric ...........that's it? PROBABILITES now? Again.........why all the bigotry against history actual and science, are you a Palestine resident? Such hatred and bigotry against a nation. I agree.......the nation now calling itself Isarel is not the Isarel of the Holy Bible.......its a copy a fake in name only, but I must defend their type of government as one of only a few semi-democratic nations surrounded by despots and bigoted peoples that want to rule as if it were the middle ages.....still hiding behind their own women and children in combat, killing innocents without conscious.......cowards.

 

[surada]

Subjective Rhetoric ...........that's it? PROBABILITES now? Again.........why all the bigotry against history actual and science, are you a Palestine resident?

Jewish scholars have known for a long time that Exodus isn't history.

 

[surada]

Subjective Rhetoric ...........that's it? PROBABILITES now? Again.........why all the bigotry against history actual and science, are you a Palestine resident? Such hatred and bigotry against a nation. I agree.......the nation now calling itself Isarel is not the Isarel of the Holy Bible.......its a copy a fake in name only, but I must defend their type of government as one of only a few semi-democratic nations surrounded by despots and bigoted peoples that want to rule as if it were the middle ages.....still hiding behind their own women and children in combat, killing innocents without conscious.......cowards.

Egypt's population at the time was only about 4 million people.. The "Israelites" numbered 3 million plus their herds. Egypt never noticed them leaving.. Further, Sinai could not support 3 million and their herds for lack of pasture and water.. Even today the population is 800,000.

Its an epic founding story of redemption. The truth is in the message NOT in the history.