Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- come now! This is a gross misinterpretation.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

(COMMENT)

Article 19 of the Mandate, was a measure to insure that the Mandatory --- as the Administrator of the Mandate of Palestine --- would apply certain International Conventions to the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies under the Palestine Order in Council.

Article 7 of the Mandate, ensures that the Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law, to the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies; pursuant to Clauses 59 and 64 of the Palestine Order in Council and --- the parallel Palestine Legislative Council Election Order, 1922 (Clause 2) which indicates that "For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner. " (Note: Amended slightly by the 1925 Citizenship Order.)

These two "articles" had nothing to do with the suggestion that the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies under the Palestine Order in Council of 1922, AKA: Palestine (see Clause 1 --- Part I) that the description of Palestine was anything other than "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." And the description of that legal entity lasted until the termination of the Mandate in 1948 and the trusteeship was passed the the Successor Government.

Whatever a "separate political entity" may have been 1937 --- it was still a non-self-governing entity. The minutes of the meeting did not end with a change in the status of Palestine as described under the Order in Council, or the Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

What part of this changes my post?

Be more specific.

That the Palestinians formed a nation and that Palestine was a state, how about some details of this that include the words Palestinian nation and state of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mindful, P F Tinmore, et al,

It is merely a territorial reference name; ---- its meaning buried in the context of the historical association.

I don't know how many times we've explained how that name came about.

(COMMENT)

The entire basis of the discussion is about the historical connection established. The question of --- "Who are the Palestinians" --- is an argument that has little or no bearing on the issues of the day. Who they are today, is defined by what they manage to control today (which is a deeper question - that may have an answer that they are not proud of). In the 20th century, we've seen two dozen Empires and Dynasties change; one of which was the Ottoman Empire --- the origins of which can be traced back to the late 11th century and the Turkic Emirates of Anatolian Beyliks. At the turn of the 19th-to-20th Century, much of what we call "Palestine" today was under the administration of the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem --- a Sanjak within the Syria Vilayet [(Damsacus) of the Ottoman Empire]. There was no political subdivision known as "Palestine" with the Ottoman Empire --- not for 500 years. "Palestine" was a "regional" name denoting the administrative divisions covered by the Sanjak of Nablus, Sanjak of Acre, and the Mutasarrfate of Jerusalem (Special Ottoman District). (Note: This is historically why today, both the State of Israel (circa 1967) and the State of Palestine (circa 1988) each claim Jerusalem as their respective capitals.)

• Administrative divisions of the Mutasarrifate (1872-1909):

• Beersheba Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا بءرالسبع; Turkish: Birüsseb' kazası; Arabic: قضاء بئر السبع‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • a-Hafir (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه حفير; Turkish: Hafır nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية عوجة الحفير‎), created in 1908 as a middle point between Beersheba and Aqaba, close to the newly agreed border with Sinai[15]
  • al-Mulayha, created in 1908 as a midway point between Hafir and Aqaba
  • Beersheba (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية بءرالسبع; Turkish: Birüsseb' belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية بئر السبع‎), created in 1901

• Gaza Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا غزّه; Turkish: Gazze kazası ; Arabic: قضاء غزة‎), which included three sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Al-Faluja (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه فلوجه; Turkish: Felluce nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية الفالوجة‎), created in 1903
  • Khan Yunis (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه خان يونس; Turkish: Hanyunus nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية خان يونس‎), created in 1903 and became a municipality in 1917
  • al-Majdal (Ottoman Turkish: ... ناحيه; Turkish: Mücdel nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية المجدل‎), created in 1880
  • Gaza (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية غزّه; Turkish: Gazze belediyesı ; Arabic: بلدية غزة‎), created in 1893

• Hebron Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا خليل الرحمن; Turkish: Halilü'r Rahman kazası; Arabic: قضاء الخليل‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Bayt 'Itab (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت اعطاب; Turkish: Beyt-i a'tâb nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت عطاب‎), created in 1903
  • Bayt Jibrin (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت جبرين; Turkish: Beyt-i Cireyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت جبرين‎), created in 1903
  • Hebron (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية خليل الرحمن; Turkish: Halilü'r Rahman belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية الخليل‎), created in 1886

• Jaffa Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا يافه; Turkish: Yafa kazası ; Arabic: قضاء يَافَا‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Ni'lin (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه نعلين; Turkish: Na’leyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية نعلين‎),created in 1903
  • Ramla (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه رمله; Turkish: Remle nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية الرملة‎), created in 1880, became municipality before 1888 and re-established as sub-district in 1889
  • Lydda (Ottoman Turkish: ... بلدية; Turkish: Lod belediyesı ; Arabic: ... بلدية‎)

• Jerusalem Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا قدس; Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif kazası; Arabic: قضاء القدس الشريف‎), which included four sub-districts and two municipalities:
  • Abwein (Ottoman Turkish: ... ناحيه; Turkish: Abaveyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية عبوين‎), created in 1903;
  • Bethlehem (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت اللحم; Turkish: Beytü'l lahim nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت لحم‎), created in 1883 and became a municipality in 1894;
  • Ramallah (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه رام الله; Turkish: Ramallah nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية رام الله‎), created in 1903 and became a municipality in 1911,
  • Saffa (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه صفا; Turkish: Safa nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية صفّا‎),
  • Jerusalem (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية قدس; Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية القدس الشريف‎), created in 1867 and
  • Beit Jala (Ottoman Turkish: ... بلدية; Turkish: ... belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية بيت جالا‎),created in 1912.

• Nazareth Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا الْنَاصِرَة; Turkish: Nasra kazası; Arabic: قضاء الْنَاصِرَة‎), established 1906.

Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem

The Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem (Ottoman Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif Mutasarrıflığı; Arabic: متصرفية القدس الشريف‎), also known as the Sanjak of Jerusalem was an Ottoman district with special administrative status established in 1872. The district encompassed Jerusalem as well as the other major cities of Gaza, Jaffa, Hebron, Bethlehem and Beersheba. During the late Ottoman period, the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, together with the Sanjak of Nablus and Sanjak of Acre, formed the region that was commonly referred to as "Southern Syria" or "Palestine".​

The pro-Jihadists that wish to turn the question into an argument over the sovereign rights to the territory are merely attempting to grasp at straws to suggest there is a moral and historical obligation to recognize the Palestinians as a people and a nation. It has nothing to do with the evolution over time of the territorial control over the land parcel. Historically, there are very - very - few territories in the world that have not undergone an evolutionary change in sovereignty and the complexion of governmental control. The area, formerly known as the territory under the Mandate for Palestine, is a land parcel that has changed sovereign control many - many times.

Today, we are discussing the consequences to the evolution of territorial control in the last half century (since 1948). While I find it interesting at how some might re-interpret the historical connections, it has nothing to do with the evolution as viewed today in terms of recognition of sovereignty and control. No matter how the contemporary Palestinian might view history, or whether they recognize the legitimacy of the State of Israel --- it exists.

The issue of the day is not whether there is a historical connection --- it is not a matter of recognition --- it is not a matter of legitimacy... It is a matter of reestablishing regional peace and the neutralization of radical Islamic influences and Jihadist activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine is Palestine by law. Its international borders were defined by post war treaties.

Palestinians are Palestinians by law.
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Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

The only borders are those of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, not the nation of Palestine. This falls at the first hurdle of any court if used to claim Palestine as a nation existed before 1988.

WRONG again as they became BRITISH Palestinian citizens, an interim measure to allow them to travel freely on valid passports and have valid I.D. papers.

As your first paragraph states " nationals of the state to which territory is transferred" this was Britain as no state of Palestine existed until 1988.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Just the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, and the truth is that the people were granted a watered down version of British citizenship. They did not issue their own passports in the name of Palestine, apart from a short period in the 1930's

Where do you keep getting all of your lies? Seriously, give me some links?
-------------------
With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92 ​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Your response in the line makes no contribution.

Mindful, P F Tinmore, et al,

It is merely a territorial reference name; ---- its meaning buried in the context of the historical association.

(COMMENT)

The entire basis of the discussion is about the historical connection established. The question of --- "Who are the Palestinians" --- is an argument that has little or no bearing on the issues of the day. Who they are today, is defined by what they manage to control today (which is a deeper question - that may have an answer that they are not proud of). In the 20th century, we've seen two dozen Empires and Dynasties change; one of which was the Ottoman Empire --- the origins of which can be traced back to the late 11th century and the Turkic Emirates of Anatolian Beyliks. At the turn of the 19th-to-20th Century, much of what we call "Palestine" today was under the administration of the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem --- a Sanjak within the Syria Vilayet [(Damsacus) of the Ottoman Empire]. There was no political subdivision known as "Palestine" with the Ottoman Empire --- not for 500 years. "Palestine" was a "regional" name denoting the administrative divisions covered by the Sanjak of Nablus, Sanjak of Acre, and the Mutasarrfate of Jerusalem (Special Ottoman District). (Note: This is historically why today, both the State of Israel (circa 1967) and the State of Palestine (circa 1988) each claim Jerusalem as their respective capitals.)

• Administrative divisions of the Mutasarrifate (1872-1909):

• Beersheba Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا بءرالسبع; Turkish: Birüsseb' kazası; Arabic: قضاء بئر السبع‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • a-Hafir (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه حفير; Turkish: Hafır nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية عوجة الحفير‎), created in 1908 as a middle point between Beersheba and Aqaba, close to the newly agreed border with Sinai[15]
  • al-Mulayha, created in 1908 as a midway point between Hafir and Aqaba
  • Beersheba (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية بءرالسبع; Turkish: Birüsseb' belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية بئر السبع‎), created in 1901

• Gaza Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا غزّه; Turkish: Gazze kazası ; Arabic: قضاء غزة‎), which included three sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Al-Faluja (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه فلوجه; Turkish: Felluce nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية الفالوجة‎), created in 1903
  • Khan Yunis (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه خان يونس; Turkish: Hanyunus nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية خان يونس‎), created in 1903 and became a municipality in 1917
  • al-Majdal (Ottoman Turkish: ... ناحيه; Turkish: Mücdel nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية المجدل‎), created in 1880
  • Gaza (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية غزّه; Turkish: Gazze belediyesı ; Arabic: بلدية غزة‎), created in 1893

• Hebron Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا خليل الرحمن; Turkish: Halilü'r Rahman kazası; Arabic: قضاء الخليل‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Bayt 'Itab (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت اعطاب; Turkish: Beyt-i a'tâb nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت عطاب‎), created in 1903
  • Bayt Jibrin (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت جبرين; Turkish: Beyt-i Cireyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت جبرين‎), created in 1903
  • Hebron (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية خليل الرحمن; Turkish: Halilü'r Rahman belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية الخليل‎), created in 1886

• Jaffa Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا يافه; Turkish: Yafa kazası ; Arabic: قضاء يَافَا‎), which included two sub-districts and a municipality:
  • Ni'lin (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه نعلين; Turkish: Na’leyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية نعلين‎),created in 1903
  • Ramla (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه رمله; Turkish: Remle nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية الرملة‎), created in 1880, became municipality before 1888 and re-established as sub-district in 1889
  • Lydda (Ottoman Turkish: ... بلدية; Turkish: Lod belediyesı ; Arabic: ... بلدية‎)

• Jerusalem Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا قدس; Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif kazası; Arabic: قضاء القدس الشريف‎), which included four sub-districts and two municipalities:
  • Abwein (Ottoman Turkish: ... ناحيه; Turkish: Abaveyn nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية عبوين‎), created in 1903;
  • Bethlehem (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه بيت اللحم; Turkish: Beytü'l lahim nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية بيت لحم‎), created in 1883 and became a municipality in 1894;
  • Ramallah (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه رام الله; Turkish: Ramallah nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية رام الله‎), created in 1903 and became a municipality in 1911,
  • Saffa (Ottoman Turkish: ناحيه صفا; Turkish: Safa nahiyesı; Arabic: ناحية صفّا‎),
  • Jerusalem (Ottoman Turkish: بلدية قدس; Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية القدس الشريف‎), created in 1867 and
  • Beit Jala (Ottoman Turkish: ... بلدية; Turkish: ... belediyesı; Arabic: بلدية بيت جالا‎),created in 1912.

• Nazareth Kaza (Ottoman Turkish: قضا الْنَاصِرَة; Turkish: Nasra kazası; Arabic: قضاء الْنَاصِرَة‎), established 1906.

Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem

The Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem (Ottoman Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif Mutasarrıflığı; Arabic: متصرفية القدس الشريف‎), also known as the Sanjak of Jerusalem was an Ottoman district with special administrative status established in 1872. The district encompassed Jerusalem as well as the other major cities of Gaza, Jaffa, Hebron, Bethlehem and Beersheba. During the late Ottoman period, the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, together with the Sanjak of Nablus and Sanjak of Acre, formed the region that was commonly referred to as "Southern Syria" or "Palestine".​

The pro-Jihadists that wish to turn the question into an argument over the sovereign rights to the territory are merely attempting to grasp at straws to suggest there is a moral and historical obligation to recognize the Palestinians as a people and a nation. It has nothing to do with the evolution over time of the territorial control over the land parcel. Historically, there are very - very - few territories in the world that have not undergone an evolutionary change in sovereignty and the complexion of governmental control. The area, formerly known as the territory under the Mandate for Palestine, is a land parcel that has changed sovereign control many - many times.

Today, we are discussing the consequences to the evolution of territorial control in the last half century (since 1948). While I find it interesting at how some might re-interpret the historical connections, it has nothing to do with the evolution as viewed today in terms of recognition of sovereignty and control. No matter how the contemporary Palestinian might view history, or whether they recognize the legitimacy of the State of Israel --- it exists.

The issue of the day is not whether there is a historical connection --- it is not a matter of recognition --- it is not a matter of legitimacy... It is a matter of reestablishing regional peace and the neutralization of radical Islamic influences and Jihadist activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine is Palestine by law. Its international borders were defined by post war treaties.

Palestinians are Palestinians by law.
-----------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

The only borders are those of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, not the nation of Palestine. This falls at the first hurdle of any court if used to claim Palestine as a nation existed before 1988.

WRONG again as they became BRITISH Palestinian citizens, an interim measure to allow them to travel freely on valid passports and have valid I.D. papers.

As your first paragraph states " nationals of the state to which territory is transferred" this was Britain as no state of Palestine existed until 1988.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Just the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, and the truth is that the people were granted a watered down version of British citizenship. They did not issue their own passports in the name of Palestine, apart from a short period in the 1930's

Where do you keep getting all of your lies? Seriously, give me some links?
-------------------
With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92 ​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

(COMMENT)

Of course there is a difference between the "native inhabitants" and those that are "UK Citizens." But how does that come into play? That does not have anything to do with the fact that the "Passports" (Palestinian) were printed and issued by the Mandatory (the UK).

What was the point trying to be made here?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Mindful]

Myth of Palestine.

The myth of 8216 Palestine A much watch video on the biggest lie in world history

 

[aris2chat]

Myth of Palestine.

The myth of 8216 Palestine A much watch video on the biggest lie in world history

Azem's book was available from the Cairo press. I don't know if it was ever published in english. I wish I still had my copy for reference

 

[aris2chat]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

 

[aris2chat]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

you did notice the quote by Abbas

>>Mahmud Abbas (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”<<

 

[Hossfly]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

you did notice the quote by Abbas

>>Mahmud Abbas (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”<<

It doesn't make any difference, Aris. All the pro-Palestinians will say the translators are lying or traitors.

 

[fanger]

Myth of Palestine.

The myth of 8216 Palestine A much watch video on the biggest lie in world history

Pierre Rehov is the pseudonym of a French-Israeli film maker and novelist, who fled his native Algeria, after scare-mongering from zionists

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

you did notice the quote by Abbas

>>Mahmud Abbas (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”<<

It doesn't make any difference, Aris. All the pro-Palestinians will say the translators are lying or traitors.

Yeah but ya gotta love the Palis for their great sense of humor.

 

[aris2chat]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

you did notice the quote by Abbas

>>Mahmud Abbas (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”<<

It doesn't make any difference, Aris. All the pro-Palestinians will say the translators are lying or traitors.

Yeah but ya gotta love the Palis for their great sense of humor.

LOL

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinian Refugees Messiah s Mandate

More information and references

I must say it truly saddens me what the Arab countries did & still do to Palestinians. And yet no compalints from Palis or their supporters. Not even over Black September. But let Israel make peace offerings to them, build a security fence & conceed land to them so they can remain in Israel & Israel is their enemy. It's called Palestinian menatlity.

you did notice the quote by Abbas

>>Mahmud Abbas (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”<<

It doesn't make any difference, Aris. All the pro-Palestinians will say the translators are lying or traitors.

Yeah but ya gotta love the Palis for their great sense of humor.

LOL

Palis should have a Palestinian olympics with a pin pull contest where they each pull their pins one by one to see who can scatter their body parts the furthest.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Leila Sansour, director of the film "Open Bethlehem"

 

[MJB12741]

http://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/al-aqsa_martyrs_brigade.jpg

 

[MJB12741]

Yo Tinmore, remember this one?

Palestinian terrorists hijack an Italian cruise ship mdash History.com This Day in History mdash 10 7 1985

 

[MJB12741]

Just curious, who was it that stooped so low as to kill the Israeli Olympics team in Munich? Has any other people ever done such a crime in a world international event of peace?

 

[montelatici]

"Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 was a Cuban flight from Barbados to Jamaica that was brought down on October 6, 1976 by a bomb attack. All 73 people on board the Douglas DC-8 aircraft were killed. Two time bombs were used, variously described as dynamite or C-4.

Several CIA-linked anti-Castro Cuban exiles and members of the Venezuelan secret police DISIP were implicated by the evidence. Political complications quickly arose when Cuba accused the US government of being an accomplice to the attack. CIA documents released in 2005 indicate that the agency "had concrete advance intelligence, as early as June 1976, on plans by Cuban exile terrorist groups to bomb a Cubana airliner." Former CIA terrorist operative Luis Posada Carriles denies involvement but provides many details of the incident in his book Caminos del Guerrero (Way of the Warrior).[1][2]

Four men were arrested in connection with the bombing, and a trial was held in Venezuela. Freddy Lugo and Hernán Ricardo Lozano were each sentenced to 20-year prison terms. Orlando Bosch was acquitted and later moved to Miami, Florida, where he lived until his death on April 27, 2011. Luis Posada Carriles was held for eight years while awaiting a final sentence but eventually fled. He later entered the United States, where he was held on charges of entering the country illegally, but was released on April 19, 2007...Among the dead were all 24 members of the 1975 national Cuban fencing team that had just won all the gold medals in the Central American and Caribbean Championships; many were teenagers. Several officials of the Cuban government were also aboard the plane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviación_Flight_455

 

[toastman]

Just curious, who was it that stooped so low as to kill the Israeli Olympics team in Munich? Has any other people ever done such a crime in a world international event of peace?

They spent months and months planning the attack. Traveled to Germany and carefully executed the murder of those Israel athletes. According to Palestinians, that's resistance.

 

[Mindful]

Chew on this.