Who Are The Palestinians?

[docmauser1]

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum! That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians. Thanks for the laugh...

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill
Happy laughin'.

Now the facts on immigration, not political hyperbole from Churchill in parliament. From the Survey of Palestine Vol. 1 page 17. From 1920-1946 of the 414,456 legal and illegal immigrants 376,415 were Jews and only 38,041 were non-Jews some of which were probably not even Arab. The Survey for Palestine is available for download from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive of NYU and Wagner Universities. Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU WagnerView attachment 34688

Do they explain how those arab settlers and squatters got to be all saudi sheiks round to own 90%(!) of the mandate palestine too?

 

[MJB12741]

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum! That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians. Thanks for the laugh...

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill
Happy laughin'.

And your point being?

Palistanians should embrace their settling-squatting origins, that, in turn, hopefully should cure their mass psychological and psychiatric disorders and issues, and enlighten them enough to get a life and a job, of course. Hopefully so.

As soon as Israel turned the wasteland into a thriving metropoplis, here came the hoards of Palestinians to claim it's their land.

As the record shows, it is patently untrue as it was the Jewish hordes from Europe that outstripped the non-Jewish immigrants about 10 to 1.

"From 1920-1946 of the 414,456 legal and illegal immigrants 376,415 were Jews and only 38,041 were non-Jews some of which were probably not even Arab. The Survey for Palestine is available for download from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive of NYU and Wagner Universities. Home Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

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Bottom line is both Israeli's & Palestinian are there. So how can peace be established between them? Well lets see now. Israel makes peace offerings & receives jihads for a reward. Israel builds a security fence so the Paletinians can remain where they are instead of massacring them like their Arab brothers did in surrounding Arab countries & the Palestinians call it an apartheid wall. Israel grants the Palestinian request for their own Jew free land in Gaza & Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

Hey I have an idea. Wouldn't the Palestinians just love the Israeli's if Israel gives them all of the West Bank as well including all of Jerusalem? Face it, there is NOTHING more Israel can give to the Palestinians for peace. History has proven that no matter what, Palestinians will be Palestinians & their demands are endless. Only the annihilation of Israel will satisfy them & then the Palestinians will be doomed by their own self determination without Israel to provide for them any longer.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Diana Buttu

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinians?

Diana Buttu

What ever happened to that wonderful, honest, non biased Palestinian for peace Hanan Ashrawi?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Diana Buttu

What ever happened to that wonderful, honest, non biased Palestinian for peace Hanan Ashrawi?

Thank you for asking.

 

[Phoenall]

"Palestine" is just a name of the mandate region. When the mandate ended the government of Eretz Israel choose to name their state Israel. There was no state of palestine so why should they have kept the name. They wanted their jewish state to reflect their history and ties to the land.
They had the right to call it what they wanted.
It was a distinction from the state offered and refused by the UN partition plan. At the time most palestinian arabs/muslims identified themselves as southern syrians, jordanian or just as arab. They were a mix of tribes and people and at the time the mandate ended close to half were immigrants that came seeking well paying work what had no real ties to the land or country.
If Israel had kept the name of palestine, what should the rest of the other land have called itself? Palestine II?
With the creation of Israel, the "land" was no longer palestine but now Israel.
Sovereignty and rights come from statehood which the palestinians never had or left because they did not want to accept either Israel or partition.
Israel could have called itself Mecca or Rome or Jewland or XYZland but it choose Israel. Palestinian refugees, gaza, WB , wherever don't have the right to tell Israel what it should be called. They don't want to be Israeli? They leave. Most stayed and are content as Israelis. They don't want to leave or change names.
Israel was identified by the mandate as a jewish homeland and Israel identifies as a jewish state. Israel was a logical choice for a name and the land is Israeli land and the people are Israeli.
Time you accept that.

You start with this statement.

"Palestine" is just a name of the mandate region.
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That is not true. Palestine was a country (Palestine was called a country ten times in the mandate charter) that was defined by international borders. It had citizens as per international law, the Treaty of Lausanna, and the Palestine citizenship order of 1925.

The rest of your post follows false premise.

Nope as the treaties state the mandate of Palestine and never the nation of Palestine, take another close look tinny ?

And the treaty of Lausanne does not even mention Palestine, while the Palestine citizenship order endows palestinians with British palestinian citizenship

Where does it say that?

On the passports issued and in the order itself


A second important clause of the draft, later to be intensely debated, stated that the foreign relations of the Palestine government were to be undertaken by Great Britain, and the citizens of Palestine were entitled to British protection when outside of Palestine

The creation of Palestinian citizenship under an international mandate 1918-1925 openDemocracy


And the arab muslims rejected the Palestine citizenship order out of hand.

The Palestinian Arab Executive leadership unanimously rejected the citizenship legislation on the basis that it denied citizenship to native-born Palestinians while privileging Jewish immigrants, and that it neglected provisions for natural civil and political rights.

As the trustee for Palestine Britain had the obligation to facilitate travel and protection for the Palestinians. Palestine, however, never became a part of Britain and the Palestinians never became British.
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With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923.

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92
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It is true that the Treaty of Lausanna did not mention Palestine. It did not mention any of the new states.
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Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

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This was reiterated in the citizenship order.
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The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

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The Palestinians did reject the order because there was some junk that was placed in there without their consent.

And the passports/ID cards issued all had the legend BRITISH on them, making the holders of these passports subject to British protection because there was no actual nation at that time. If there was then why didn't they issue their own passports and ID cards as Jordan, Syria and Iraq had done ?

 

[Phoenall]

SUDDENLY THERE IS A PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS

Did you ever notice that one of the hardest words for a zionist to utter or put into print is Palestinian? The word itself confirms that there is a Palestine.

News reports in the zionist media refer to Palestinians as Arabs, or at best, Israeli Arabs.

BUT, if any of the above are involved in a suspected terrorist attack there suddenly is a Palestine and Palestinians, except in the extreme right media as seen below.

SUDDENLY THERE IS A PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS Desertpeace

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain. And can you see the Hebrew writing on the left hand side of the coin.

And by the way since 1919 it has been the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, and Palestine the area has existed since roman times with the Jews as the palestinians


It gets easier to destroy team palestines posts every day

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian Myths

More on origin of modern palestinians

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum!

That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians

Thanks for the laugh...

Such a pity that it is completely factual in what it says, and destroys the arab muslims claims

 

[fanger]

SUDDENLY THERE IS A PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS

Did you ever notice that one of the hardest words for a zionist to utter or put into print is Palestinian? The word itself confirms that there is a Palestine.

News reports in the zionist media refer to Palestinians as Arabs, or at best, Israeli Arabs.

BUT, if any of the above are involved in a suspected terrorist attack there suddenly is a Palestine and Palestinians, except in the extreme right media as seen below.

SUDDENLY THERE IS A PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS Desertpeace

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain. And can you see the Hebrew writing on the left hand side of the coin.

And by the way since 1919 it has been the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, and Palestine the area has existed since roman times with the Jews as the palestinians


It gets easier to destroy team palestines posts every day

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

 

[montelatici]

Palestinian Myths

More on origin of modern palestinians

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum!

That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians

Thanks for the laugh...

Such a pity that it is completely factual in what it says, and destroys the arab muslims claims

It is as factual as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It gets easier to destroy team palestines posts every day

usmessageboard's special needs posters to be sure.

 

[fanger]

It proves there was an area, not part of Britain, called Palestine not

'Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain'

as suggested by fatty

 

[fanger]

It gets easier to destroy team palestines posts every day

usmessageboard's special needs posters to be sure.

Dont be so hard on Phonyall, even if it's true

 

[aris2chat]

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

There was a place called USSR, but now it has been divided into separate states.

 

[fanger]

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

 

[docmauser1]

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

Arabist occupation© can produce strange things, indeed.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian Myths

More on origin of modern palestinians

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum!

That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians

Thanks for the laugh...

Such a pity that it is completely factual in what it says, and destroys the arab muslims claims

It is as factual as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Is it when the Protocols have been debunked as an Islamic fiction based on a Russian novel. Unlike this link which is from a non partisan source and is based on collected evidence from other non partisan source's

 

[Phoenall]

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

BUT IT WAS NEVER A NATION UNTIL 1988

 

[montelatici]

Palestinian Myths

More on origin of modern palestinians

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum!

That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians

Thanks for the laugh...

Such a pity that it is completely factual in what it says, and destroys the arab muslims claims

It is as factual as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Is it when the Protocols have been debunked as an Islamic fiction based on a Russian novel. Unlike this link which is from a non partisan source and is based on collected evidence from other non partisan source's

The links provided are as reliable as the Protocols. And, they are partisan.