Who Are The Palestinians?

[RoccoR]

et al,

Whatever you choose to believe, concerning the origins for the designation "People of Palestine" --- in the end --- it is of no consequence. The past is the past.

The cause today is the establishment of regional peace and security for both the peoples of the State of Israel and the State of Palestine.

Currently, there is a move underway to support a UN Security Council Resolution that would give the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) uncontested statehood in the Israeli occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip; with East Jerusalem as their capital – essentially the territory captured by Israel in a 1967 War.

The Arab Peace Initiative Committee (APIC) [Kuwait, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Yemen, UAE and Oman; and including Palestine] has been meeting over the last several weeks to discuss the proposal. In the mean time, several of the weaker EU nations (Examples are the UK, Spain, France and Belgium) have fallen to the pressures of domestic Islamic coercion and have openly supported Palestine statehood. While the details of the proposed resolution have not been made public, there is no talk of a Peace Treaty being part of it or a final settlement.

The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said: “We, as the international community, must assume responsibility for what is a collective failure to advance a political solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” Israel has accepted the generalized idea of a “two-state solution” with a Palestinian state alongside Israel; but does not accepted the 1967 borders as the basis, citing security and other concerns [noting that most of the APIC members have sent offensive forces into the area at one time or another --- usually several members at a time --- and one member (Lebanon) is technically still at war with Israel].

There are members of the Arab League (Example Bahrain) that absolutely and categorically refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish State; as President Mahmoud Abbas stated "Palestinians will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state" (emergency session of the Arab League). And elements of the Palestinian Government, even now, refuse to recognize the State of Israel.

What is the solution?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

fanger, et al,

This is total nonsense and over simplified; a thumbnail soundbite to a complex issue.

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

(COMMENT)

You know as well as I do, that in 1967, when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, it was then sovereign Jordanian Territory. And when the Israelis moved into Gaza, it was an occupied Egyptian Governorship (with the All Palestine Government having been dissolved).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

 

[P F Tinmore]

fanger, et al,

This is total nonsense and over simplified; a thumbnail soundbite to a complex issue.

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

(COMMENT)

You know as well as I do, that in 1967, when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, it was then sovereign Jordanian Territory. And when the Israelis moved into Gaza, it was an occupied Egyptian Governorship (with the All Palestine Government having been dissolved).

Most Respectfully,
R

How does that refute fanger's post?

 

[toastman]

fanger, et al,

This is total nonsense and over simplified; a thumbnail soundbite to a complex issue.

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

(COMMENT)

You know as well as I do, that in 1967, when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, it was then sovereign Jordanian Territory. And when the Israelis moved into Gaza, it was an occupied Egyptian Governorship (with the All Palestine Government having been dissolved).

Most Respectfully,
R

How does that refute fanger's post?

Serious question, are you brain dead?

 

[toastman]

There was a place called Palestine, it is for now occupied by the zionist entity

The West Bank is the only occupied place. Israel is Israel, no matter how much you whine about it Muslim shill.

 

[montelatici]

Desperation. LOL

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian Myths

More on origin of modern palestinians

That has to be one of the funniest articles I have read on this forum!

That 'neutral' source was excellent... I must find 'neutral' sources like that to support Palestinians

Thanks for the laugh...

Such a pity that it is completely factual in what it says, and destroys the arab muslims claims

It is as factual as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Is it when the Protocols have been debunked as an Islamic fiction based on a Russian novel. Unlike this link which is from a non partisan source and is based on collected evidence from other non partisan source's

The links provided are as reliable as the Protocols. And, they are partisan.

Do bring forward your evidence to show how the Protocols are real and Palestinian myths is not ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

Here ya go fatty

Care to show the other side of the coin, that will state Great Britain.

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

Here ya go fatty

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

It's almost as if you are out to prove how stupid you are.

Showing a pic of a coin minted by the British for use of the residents of the Palestinian Mandate (which included Arabs, Jews and Druze) hardly proves that there was a people called "Palestinian" as we define them today or that these people had their own country.

It just shows that you are profoundly ignorant in addition to your incredible degree of stupidity.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

Egypt offered them land in the Sinai but it was refused.

 

[Coyote]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

Egypt offered them land in the Sinai but it was refused.

Was that a real offer? I heard it then I heard it wasn't real.

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Remembering of course, that the designation of "Palestine" in 1925, was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies (Palestine Order in Council).

(COMMENT)

Don't mislead people into believing that there was some other entity called Palestine, or that there was an independent nation called Palestine. That would be an intentional falsehood.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

Egypt offered them land in the Sinai but it was refused.

Was that a real offer? I heard it then I heard it wasn't real.

Real offer but after refusal I doubt it will be offered again. It would have tripled the size of gaza, at least, as part of a peace offer but Hamas wanted no part of the deal. Hamas did not want to make peace with Israel.
With the attacks against Egypt in the Sinai, Egypt has destroyed more tunnels and begun clearing a security zone along the border. They have infrequently opened the crossing for a short time before closing it again. Egypt is fed up with hamas to say the least.

 

[fanger]

Why should they give up their land and move to Egypt, they are Palestinians

 

[docmauser1]

Why should they give up their land and move to Egypt, they are Palestinians

Don't they have to have some land in the first place to give it up, or something? And Egypt is as good a place for them as any - different country, same crap.

 

[Coyote]

The mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was a temporary trustee of Palestine. Palestine existed with or without the mandate.

I never claimed Palestine to be independent. Palestine was born under occupation and that continues today. But, as UN resolutions state, Palestinians have the right to self determination, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

Violating their rights do not negate those rights.

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

Egypt offered them land in the Sinai but it was refused.

Was that a real offer? I heard it then I heard it wasn't real.

Real offer but after refusal I doubt it will be offered again. It would have tripled the size of gaza, at least, as part of a peace offer but Hamas wanted no part of the deal. Hamas did not want to make peace with Israel.
With the attacks against Egypt in the Sinai, Egypt has destroyed more tunnels and begun clearing a security zone along the border. They have infrequently opened the crossing for a short time before closing it again. Egypt is fed up with hamas to say the least.

This article says the report of that offer was not true and both Egypt and the PA deny it - there seems to be no confirmation beyond speculation, that is why I'm confused about it. Egypt PA deny report that Sisi offered Abbas land in Sinai for Palestinian state

 

[aris2chat]

The mandate was Palestine as the name says, without the mandate Palestine did not exist. Even the muslims called it Syria and not Palestine. The Palestinians already have self determination, independence, sovereignty and just need to negotiate territorial integrity. They will never be handed what you demand on a plate as they will just destroy everything in their ever increasing demands which will never be met. Until the Palestinians sit up and take control of their own lives they will be 3rd world moochers living on handouts.

What the Palestinians need is their own Palestinian State with self determination away from Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return. So where can this Palestinian State be where the Palestinians can no longer suck off of Israel to provide for them any longer & no longer blame Israel for their misery & failures?

Egypt offered them land in the Sinai but it was refused.

Was that a real offer? I heard it then I heard it wasn't real.

Real offer but after refusal I doubt it will be offered again. It would have tripled the size of gaza, at least, as part of a peace offer but Hamas wanted no part of the deal. Hamas did not want to make peace with Israel.
With the attacks against Egypt in the Sinai, Egypt has destroyed more tunnels and begun clearing a security zone along the border. They have infrequently opened the crossing for a short time before closing it again. Egypt is fed up with hamas to say the least.

This article says the report of that offer was not true and both Egypt and the PA deny it - there seems to be no confirmation beyond speculation, that is why I'm confused about it. Egypt PA deny report that Sisi offered Abbas land in Sinai for Palestinian state

The circumstances on the ground changed and the offer was pulled two weeks later. It was an offer but no one wanted to take it seriously. Palestinians did not want to even talk about it.
Egypt was so upset they didn't want the offer to be formally considered or suggested again.
Negotiators air ideas and see if anyone will think about it. This was one idea/offer that was discarded before it was ever formalized. Between Hamas and brotherhood there was no further talks.

 

[Hossfly]

Why should they give up their land and move to Egypt, they are Palestinians

fanger , what do you think Palestinians are besides Egyptians?