Who Are The Palestinians?

[Dogmaphobe]

I say exactly what I think and feel and your non-stop attempt to put words in my mouth doesn't alter that.

Have you come up with any links supporting your claims? Or are you going to lie your way out of this by inventing something?

Yes, you say what you think and feel all the time.


and in the next breath, deny it.

In this very thread, you have indicated you are down with terrorism of Jews -- both through your very intentional blurring of the distinction between terrorism and freedom fighting as well as your supporting it as the means for Arabs to create yet another state.

This indicates you to be very lowly evolved in terms of moral awareness. Your lack of ability to understand that morality is a rational construct places you as extremely primitive in this regard.

I would suggest others here read up on Kohlberg's stages of moral development in order to understand exactly how primitive.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You are just so flipping weird

Ok...I admit it. I'm a stealth member of the MB cleverly disguised as a flea bitten liberal. I am really a male humanoid, with 6 wives and 68 children all of whom live in a tent in a desert in New Mexico hard at work designing ever new and more effective methods of dispensing propoganda. We currently have a cell phone app that sends subliminal Islamic messages into your brain through your fitness device while you are sleeping. We also have a new brand of drink mix - Agipop - that's like a combo of Pop Rocks meets Koolaide, that turns drinkers into Zombie Ayatollahs. Unfortunately....we're still working on the beta here as it's addicts show a disarming tendancy to go prostrate multiple times a day with their fannies in the air yelling "Jesus Akhbar Hail the Virgin Mary Drinks are on Us". It's a work in progress but we anticipate great results by years end. Then, not to leave out the kiddies we have a new toy in development but already out in several select markets. It's the Allah Bear - a cute stuffed critter with a plush turban and when you hug it it simultaneously farts and utters soothing words of religious dogma. And I bet you thought you were just having a gassy night

That is an awfully poor disguise, because I have yet to see you support any liberal principle.

 

[Coyote]

What I have made clear is that I don't support genocide period. Should the Palestinians as a whole attempt to conduct genocide (such as the Serbs, or Rwanda, or ISIS) then my opinion of them as a group will change. Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation and it's impossible to seperate that out from the other issues until they have a nation. Give them a nation, and hold them to acceptable norms of conduct. If they fail, they fail. If they attempt genocide - then I'll put them right up there with the Serbs, ISIS, Rwanda etc etc. The degree to which you concern yourself with genocide, however, seems very narrowly defined.

So....care to produce any quotes that indicate I'm an antisemite? Or is this when you do your disappearing act again?

I find it interesting how you will go to such lengths to offer your support for a concept while attempting to deny that you do.

Your pathetic rationalization that you support their terrorism since it is their method to gain this "state" (even though they could have had one long ago), and only at that time when they have one would you possibly object to their stated aim of genocide of Jews .... well, ...it is beyond the pale. Especially since you are on record as supporting the overwhelming of the Jewish state with Arabs committed to genocide, I would say your antisemitism is quite well established.

Again, I realize that you have not yet evolved as a human, but really now -- it is high time you started the process.

What ever floats your boat dude. Can't come up with any quotes can you? As usual

Oh...and as for my being on record as "as supporting the overwhelming of the Jewish state with Arabs committed to genocide" - please, do show me where because that's a new one on me. I support a two-state solution.

 

[Coyote]

I say exactly what I think and feel and your non-stop attempt to put words in my mouth doesn't alter that.

Have you come up with any links supporting your claims? Or are you going to lie your way out of this by inventing something?

Yes, you say what you think and feel all the time.


and in the next breath, deny it.

In this very thread, you have indicated you are down with terrorism of Jews -- both through your very intentional blurring of the distinction between terrorism and freedom fighting as well as your supporting it as the means for Arabs to create yet another state.

This indicates you to be very lowly evolved in terms of moral awareness. Your lack of ability to understand that morality is a rational construct places you as extremely primitive in this regard.

I would suggest others here read up on Kohlberg's stages of moral development in order to understand exactly how primitive.

Can't find any quotes to support your slop? Are you just going to keep on this road?

Terrorism vs. Freedom Fighting. Most so-called "freedom fighters' end up using terrorism and their supporters try to justify it by the "end justifies the means". Even you had to struggle to come up with just one example and it was a tiny US example. The majority of what people like to call "freedom fighters" aren't - they are simply the terrorist group who won and got to white wash their atrocities in the guise of legitimacy so people like you can cheer them on and call them "civilized".

 

[Coyote]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

Land was renamed by conquerors, but the people/children of "Israel" continued on, even in what became the mandate. As a race, like the native <indians> of america, even being moved and dispersed through the general population, they still exist as a people. They do not just cease to exist.

I agree - but what I'm saying is you can't use a nation that existed 3000 years ago to make modern claims on land. Otherwise Italy would have the right to claim huge swaths of land it occupied when it was Rome. Simiilar with a lot of historic groups that exist today in a much smaller way.

 

[aris2chat]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

Land was renamed by conquerors, but the people/children of "Israel" continued on, even in what became the mandate. As a race, like the native <indians> of america, even being moved and dispersed through the general population, they still exist as a people. They do not just cease to exist.

I agree - but what I'm saying is you can't use a nation that existed 3000 years ago to make modern claims on land. Otherwise Italy would have the right to claim huge swaths of land it occupied when it was Rome. Simiilar with a lot of historic groups that exist today in a much smaller way.

Even Abraham purchased land to bury his wife. It depends on the region, how much was documented and preserved.
You can find land sales on clay cuneiform tables. Even among the dead sea scrolls there are land and marriage documents, everyday official records.
It's an old moon, full moon was around 4 or 5 days ago, so why the craziness? Did no one get their coffee or tea this morning?

 

[Coyote]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

Land was renamed by conquerors, but the people/children of "Israel" continued on, even in what became the mandate. As a race, like the native <indians> of america, even being moved and dispersed through the general population, they still exist as a people. They do not just cease to exist.

I agree - but what I'm saying is you can't use a nation that existed 3000 years ago to make modern claims on land. Otherwise Italy would have the right to claim huge swaths of land it occupied when it was Rome. Simiilar with a lot of historic groups that exist today in a much smaller way.

Even Abraham purchased land to bury his wife. It depends on the region, how much was documented and preserved.
You can find land sales on clay cuneiform tables. Even among the dead sea scrolls there are land and marriage documents, everyday official records.
It's an old moon, full moon was around 4 or 5 days ago, so why the craziness? Did no one get their coffee or tea this morning?

Too much Baileys in their cappaccino?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend P F Tinmore is correct.

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

(COMMENT)

The UN recommended the apportionment of territory within the Mandate of Palestine. However, the Jewish population, having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence" (in coordination with the Successor Government to the Mandate and pursuant to UN/UNSC Guidance), exercised their right of self-determination, fought a War of Independence, and created the State of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend P F Tinmore is correct.

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

(COMMENT)

The UN recommended the apportionment of territory within the Mandate of Palestine. However, the Jewish population, having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence" (in coordination with the Successor Government to the Mandate and pursuant to UN/UNSC Guidance), exercised their right of self-determination, fought a War of Independence, and created the State of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Independent from whom?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not from whom. The question presumes that to declare independence, you must declare that independence from a higher authority. This is a false presumption.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend P F Tinmore is correct.

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

(COMMENT)

The UN recommended the apportionment of territory within the Mandate of Palestine. However, the Jewish population, having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence" (in coordination with the Successor Government to the Mandate and pursuant to UN/UNSC Guidance), exercised their right of self-determination, fought a War of Independence, and created the State of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Independent from whom?

(COMMENT)

The UN, having recognized the readiness --- released the trusteeship via Article 76b of the UN Charter (development towards self-government or independence as may be appropriate), and by completing the "Step Preparatory to Independence."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

Absolutely correct. The UN did not "create Israel." Israel has existed for thousnds of years before there was any UN. And who said Tinmore never gets it right?

 

[Mindful]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

I didn't say "create. I said "decide"

There's a difference between those two words.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

I didn't say "create. I said "decide"

There's a difference between those two words.

Either way it does not make any difference. Resolution 181 (a non binding General Assembly resolution) recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine. The Security Council did not. Resolution 181 didn't happen.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Dr Ghada Karmi

 

[MJB12741]

Who are the Palestinians?

Dr Ghada Karmi

Eh, whatever happened to that wonderful "peace activist" Hannan Ashrawi?

 

[Coyote]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

Absolutely correct. The UN did not "create Israel." Israel has existed for thousnds of years before there was any UN. And who said Tinmore never gets it right?

Well no. It hasn't "existed for thousands of years". It totally ceased to exist thousands of years ago and was only recreated in modern times.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Well no. It hasn't "existed for thousands of years". It totally ceased to exist thousands of years ago and was only recreated in modern times.

You pro-terrorist antisemites can say anything you want, but that does not change the truth of the matter, namely that the Jewish nation has existed for over three millennia and Jewish presence on the land extends for that entire time. The nation-state of Israel did not always exist on the land in question, but the nation of Jewish people have a written history going back over three thousand.

It is only because you are such a filthy, double-talking hater of Jews that you pursue all this pro-terrorist crap of yours.

 

[MJB12741]

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

I've not heard that before. The UN decided it. Without the UN vote, no Israel.

Amos Oz wrote about it in his auto biography. You might like to read it.

Uhhh, the UN did not create Israel.

Absolutely correct. The UN did not "create Israel." Israel has existed for thousnds of years before there was any UN. And who said Tinmore never gets it right?

Well no. It hasn't "existed for thousands of years". It totally ceased to exist thousands of years ago and was only recreated in modern times.

Link please documenting that Israel "ceased to exist thousands of years ago."

 

[Coyote]

Well no. It hasn't "existed for thousands of years". It totally ceased to exist thousands of years ago and was only recreated in modern times.

You pro-terrorist antisemites can say anything you want, but that does not change the truth of the matter, namely that the Jewish nation has existed for over three millennia and Jewish presence on the land extends for that entire time. The nation-state of Israel did not always exist on the land in question, but the nation of Jewish people have a written history going back over three thousand.

It is only because you are such a filthy, double-talking hater of Jews that you pursue all this pro-terrorist crap of yours.

Let's talk about "truth" (never mind the fact that you have yet to substantiate any of your accusations).

We are talking about Israel. The nation. Have you figured that part out yet? Go back and read the pertinent posts if you are confused. Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago. It's an ancient Kingdom that is long gone. In that regard - it's like a lot of ancient kingdoms that are gone but who's people remain.

This isn't rocket science dude.