Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

I am talking about the facts and reality that you ignore from none other than Winston Churchill who stood up in the house of Commons and tol;d the M.P's that arab muslims were flooding into Palestine. You know the same person who you link to when it meets with your islamonazi propaganda, lies and blood libels.

No mention of the Christians in the above just the arab muslims, and they wanted to freeze out the Jews and Christians and have the land all to themselves, and they cant so they are getting morons like you to LIE on message boards.

 

[Phoenall]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

He's just trolling.

Isnt that why you have been banned from other boards jappy dog, for trolling. Do you still have the Cerise ballgown so you can flounce of in style...............

 

[Challenger]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

No.

No Ottoman census I've ever seen shows Jewish people as a majority population of Palestine. If you have, prove it with a link to the census that makes your point. I won't hold my breath. Have you actually read the Palestinian Declaration of Independence? Care to show me where they use GA resolution 181 as the basis of their declaration? I'll make it easy for you, here's the link to the document. A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988

 

[Challenger]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

He's just trolling.

Isnt that why you have been banned from other boards jappy dog, for trolling. Do you still have the Cerise ballgown so you can flounce of in style...............

Now he's PUI trolling.

 

[montelatici]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

 

[Phoenall]

What are you talking about you knucklehead, you make no sense. The only mass of immigrants (90%) between 1920 and 1946, legal or illegal ,were the Jews.

In any case, the post was to prove, through official correspondence, in writing, that the Christians and Muslims desired a constitution and independence as early as 1922 and the British formally denied them in writing.

He's just trolling.

Isnt that why you have been banned from other boards jappy dog, for trolling. Do you still have the Cerise ballgown so you can flounce of in style...............

Now he's PUI trolling.

Then report me so I can give the Mods your IP address and full name to see who is telling the truth ?

 

[Phoenall]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

Which is an ANTI SEMITIC hatchet job by people in the pay of arab muslims. And is just an interim report that was superseded by the proper report that you never seem to link to. Why is this Abdul ?

 

[montelatici]

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

Which is an ANTI SEMITIC hatchet job by people in the pay of arab muslims. And is just an interim report that was superseded by the proper report that you never seem to link to. Why is this Abdul ?

Lumiere documentaries are not "antisemitic" hatchet jobs, they just present facts and the earliest "moving pictures" of Palestine.

No, the yearly reports of the Mandatory were all called interim reports until the final report was issued at the end of the mandate, it was called the Survey of Palestine and it was the last report. I know you are familiar with it and I have linked it many times.

You are simply in denial and continue making a fool of yourself.

 

[Phoenall]

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

Which is an ANTI SEMITIC hatchet job by people in the pay of arab muslims. And is just an interim report that was superseded by the proper report that you never seem to link to. Why is this Abdul ?

Lumiere documentaries are not "antisemitic" hatchet jobs, they just present facts and the earliest "moving pictures" of Palestine.

No, the yearly reports of the Mandatory were all called interim reports until the final report was issued at the end of the mandate, it was called the Survey of Palestine and it was the last report. I know you are familiar with it and I have linked it many times.

You are simply in denial and continue making a fool of yourself.

The report is the anti semitic hatchet job, and the video could have any dialogue superimposed on it by anyone making it inadmissible as evidence. I could alter it to show that the Jews were in fact the majority and the arab muslms non existent

 

[toastman]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

It's an illegal state because it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions.

"Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanationsmade by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,"

Which it has failed to do.

BTW, you have zero evidence that shows Israel is illegal "it was created in direct violation of the will of the majority of the population of Palestine, and it's admission to the UN was based on Israel's adherance to two UN resolutions"

This is complete bullshit. You make up jibberish like this because of your hatred for Israel. If Israel was not allowed to become a country because of your stupid reasons, then the U.N would not have fully recognized Israel AND give her full UN membership.

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

Translation: "I have no proof to back up my claim"

You're forgetting that 'Palestine' declared independence in 1988 the SAME WAY that Israel did, by using resolution 181 as a basis.

"more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise"

I love how these deluded pro Palestinians think they speak for everyone else. Oh, and BTW, even the state of Palestine recognizes Israel. Whoops, forgot about that, didn't you ?

Read carefully: Israel exists, will always exist and there is NOTHING you or your deluded brainwashed propagandist friends can do about it

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

None of this has made sense in terms of the Arab Palestinian "DEMANDS" for acceptance of their "Constitution" and their rejection to participate in any phased process to attain self-government (See Post #3365). The Arab Palestinians had no authority to demand anything that did not conform to the desired process to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. The Arab Palestinians were not promised anything, and the Mandatory was not likely to accept demands from the disrespectful and ill mannered Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire). The arrogant tone of the correspondence between the Arab Delegation and the Secretary of State for the Colonies merely demonstrates that while the Arab Delegation declined to participate in the self-governance process, they demand that change be made to the Palestine Order in Council because the Delegation considered it "wholly unsatisfactory;" and stipulating that no useful purpose would be served by discussing in detail the draft of "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922." The Arab Delegation did not want to establish a counterpart voice (an Arab Agency) to the Jewish Agency at the Territorial Level in Palestine with the High Commissioner. But then complained that they were denied their rights and that they were unfairly administered when the outcome of the process favors the Jewish constituency (who had the Jewish Agency as a voice). The idea that the Council should stand in support of Arab Domination over the territory flies in the face of the stated principle objective: "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

The absurd idea that the Arab Delegation, in the era of 1922, could guarantee (for any reasonable amount of time) that "national home for the Jewish people" would be preserved in tact and NOT under the pressures of the Radical Islamic Fundamentalism that was brewing even then; with Grand Mufti of Jerusalem pushing for the independence of Palestine as an Arab state and Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti) actively supporting violent riots that broke out over one of the principle goals in the Mandate --- establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.

Which Arab Country in the region includes these rights in their Constitution:

• 
  (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
  
  (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
  
  (3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.
  
  (4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.
  
  (5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.
  
  (6) Guarantee the rights of the Assisting Power.

The Guide to Human Rights in Arab Countries is at this link. There was no reasonable expectation then --- and their is no reasonable expectation now, that any Arab Nation could protect and preserve the Jewish National Home. In effect what the Arab Delegation demanded is the ability to crush the concept. Just as the 1920's Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Amin al-Husseini) was violently opposed to the Jews, so it is today --- that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem:

"In the course of his visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority next week, as a matter of protocol, Pope Francis, the most senior figure in the Catholic Church, is scheduled to meet with Israel's two chief rabbis as well as the most senior religious figure in the PA, the Mufti Sheikh Muhammad Hussein. What Pope Francis may not be aware of is that the Mufti has an ongoing record of vicious Antisemitic hate speech, which has been condemned internationally. In 2012, the Mufti preached that it is Muslim destiny to kill the Jews. On a different occasion, in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, he taught that Jews were "enemies of Allah," and in another speech he said that the souls of suicide bombers "tell us to follow in their path." SOURCE: Pope to visit PA Mufti who preached Jews are enemies of Allah destined to be exterminated by Muslims // 19 May 2014."​

Today, the world has to be very careful of the outbreak of Radical Islamic Views that are held by politically motivated movements. They fight and kill in the name of their religion, killing more Arabs (Sunni or Shi'ite) than any outside western power ever thought about. There is no expectation that these groups will ever truly become a useful and productive asset the the greater Arab Community or the Islamic Community.

This idea that the Arab were not treated fairly, is an uneducated perspective in history. The Arabs were treated no differently than any other losing cultures in a major war. Today --- the Arab in some naive sense, wants to argue the correctness and fairness of the Partition Plan. They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination. The territories were surrendered to the Allied Powers for whatever disposition that they may determine is best. And the sovereignty to be divide in whatever manner the Allied Powers considered the best. This --- without regard to whatever the Arabs may deem unsatisfactory. The decisions --- were a determination made by the Allied Powers; and NOT the Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

As you can see, a half dozen Arab Countries were created from the territories to which one of the Mandates applied. The smallest remaining subdivision is still in contention because of the love the Arab Palestinians have for asymmetric activities and insurrectionist causes to oppose the Jewish National Home (Israel). The remaining territory, known as the State of Palestine (AKA: the occupied Palestinian territory), has not made any significant cultural or economic advances since the 1949 Armistice to the Arab Invasion that ignited the Israel War of Independence. The Arab Palestinian has focused on conflict and belligerence since that time and not on any nation build or major domestic infrastructure improvements. Instead of working to become a useful and productive regional influence, they are the poster image of a fail nation that is totally dependent on donor contributions and an economic parasite to the international community.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Sadly, the only one making up the bullshit here is Toastman who is terrified of the fact that the more and more people look into the circumstsnces of the birth of the "Zionist Paradise" the more problematic they see it is. The majority population of Palestine even in 1948 were Arabised Muslims and Christians, they were uniformly against any form of partition and refused to co-operate with proceedings they saw were illegal, based on the UN Charter.

This essay puts forward the facts of the case succinctly and clearly,

"In sum, the popular claim that the U.N. “created” Israel is a myth, and Israel’s own claim in its founding document that U.N. Resolution 181 constituted legal authority for Israel’s creation, or otherwise constituted “recognition” by the U.N. of the “right” of the Zionist Jews to expropriate for themselves Arab land and deny to the majority Arab population of that land their own right to self-determination, is a patent fraud."
The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Jeremy R. Hammond

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

Which is an ANTI SEMITIC hatchet job by people in the pay of arab muslims. And is just an interim report that was superseded by the proper report that you never seem to link to. Why is this Abdul ?

Lumiere documentaries are not "antisemitic" hatchet jobs, they just present facts and the earliest "moving pictures" of Palestine.

No, the yearly reports of the Mandatory were all called interim reports until the final report was issued at the end of the mandate, it was called the Survey of Palestine and it was the last report. I know you are familiar with it and I have linked it many times.

You are simply in denial and continue making a fool of yourself.

The report is the anti semitic hatchet job, and the video could have any dialogue superimposed on it by anyone making it inadmissible as evidence. I could alter it to show that the Jews were in fact the majority and the arab muslms non existent

So the Report of the Mandatory submitted to the LoN on an annual basis a Mandatory that was denying the non-Jews, in writing, the right of becoming an independent state in order to facilitate the creation of a "Jewish Home in Palestine" is an antisemitic hatchet job? You are so delusional. And the late 1920s/ early 1930s BBC voice over is also a British antisemitic plot.

 

[montelatici]

et al,

None of this has made sense in terms of the Arab Palestinian "DEMANDS" for acceptance of their "Constitution" and their rejection to participate in any phased process to attain self-government (See Post #3365). The Arab Palestinians had no authority to demand anything that did not conform to the desired process to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. The Arab Palestinians were not promised anything, and the Mandatory was not likely to accept demands from the disrespectful and ill mannered Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire). The arrogant tone of the correspondence between the Arab Delegation and the Secretary of State for the Colonies merely demonstrates that while the Arab Delegation declined to participate in the self-governance process, they demand that change be made to the Palestine Order in Council because the Delegation considered it "wholly unsatisfactory;" and stipulating that no useful purpose would be served by discussing in detail the draft of "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922." The Arab Delegation did not want to establish a counterpart voice (an Arab Agency) to the Jewish Agency at the Territorial Level in Palestine with the High Commissioner. But then complained that they were denied their rights and that they were unfairly administered when the outcome of the process favors the Jewish constituency (who had the Jewish Agency as a voice). The idea that the Council should stand in support of Arab Domination over the territory flies in the face of the stated principle objective: "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

The absurd idea that the Arab Delegation, in the era of 1922, could guarantee (for any reasonable amount of time) that "national home for the Jewish people" would be preserved in tact and NOT under the pressures of the Radical Islamic Fundamentalism that was brewing even then; with Grand Mufti of Jerusalem pushing for the independence of Palestine as an Arab state and Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti) actively supporting violent riots that broke out over one of the principle goals in the Mandate --- establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.

Which Arab Country in the region includes these rights in their Constitution:

• 
  (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
  
  (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
  
  (3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.
  
  (4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.
  
  (5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.
  
  (6) Guarantee the rights of the Assisting Power.

The Guide to Human Rights in Arab Countries is at this link. There was no reasonable expectation then --- and their is no reasonable expectation now, that any Arab Nation could protect and preserve the Jewish National Home. In effect what the Arab Delegation demanded is the ability to crush the concept. Just as the 1920's Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Amin al-Husseini) was violently opposed to the Jews, so it is today --- that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem:

"In the course of his visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority next week, as a matter of protocol, Pope Francis, the most senior figure in the Catholic Church, is scheduled to meet with Israel's two chief rabbis as well as the most senior religious figure in the PA, the Mufti Sheikh Muhammad Hussein. What Pope Francis may not be aware of is that the Mufti has an ongoing record of vicious Antisemitic hate speech, which has been condemned internationally. In 2012, the Mufti preached that it is Muslim destiny to kill the Jews. On a different occasion, in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, he taught that Jews were "enemies of Allah," and in another speech he said that the souls of suicide bombers "tell us to follow in their path." SOURCE: Pope to visit PA Mufti who preached Jews are enemies of Allah destined to be exterminated by Muslims // 19 May 2014."​

Today, the world has to be very careful of the outbreak of Radical Islamic Views that are held by politically motivated movements. They fight and kill in the name of their religion, killing more Arabs (Sunni or Shi'ite) than any outside western power ever thought about. There is no expectation that these groups will ever truly become a useful and productive asset the the greater Arab Community or the Islamic Community.

This idea that the Arab were not treated fairly, is an uneducated perspective in history. The Arabs were treated no differently than any other losing cultures in a major war. Today --- the Arab in some naive sense, wants to argue the correctness and fairness of the Partition Plan. They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination. The territories were surrendered to the Allied Powers for whatever disposition that they may determine is best. And the sovereignty to be divide in whatever manner the Allied Powers considered the best. This --- without regard to whatever the Arabs may deem unsatisfactory. The decisions --- were a determination made by the Allied Powers; and NOT the Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

As you can see, a half dozen Arab Countries were created from the territories to which one of the Mandates applied. The smallest remaining subdivision is still in contention because of the love the Arab Palestinians have for asymmetric activities and insurrectionist causes to oppose the Jewish National Home (Israel). The remaining territory, known as the State of Palestine (AKA: the occupied Palestinian territory), has not made any significant cultural or economic advances since the 1949 Armistice to the Arab Invasion that ignited the Israel War of Independence. The Arab Palestinian has focused on conflict and belligerence since that time and not on any nation build or major domestic infrastructure improvements. Instead of working to become a useful and productive regional influence, they are the poster image of a fail nation that is totally dependent on donor contributions and an economic parasite to the international community.

Most Respectfully,
R

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

No, the Arab Delegation was made up of Christians and Muslims whose people had supported the British against the Axis powers. Ever watched Lawrence of Arabia you ignoramus. And, they were, in fact, promised independence for their support.

"They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination."

Of course they had an innate authority to defend their land from British colonialism. The Jews were Europeans, from another continent, who had every intention of evicting the indigenous people and colonizing the area, in contravention of the LoN Covenant, for example (and there are many others):


ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

The British ignored the Covenant completely when it came to the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Nonetheless, your contention that the Palestinians made no effort to achieve independence is total bullshit coming from a bullshitter. Don't think I can read the seething racism you have for Arabs in your writing.

 

[Phoenall]

So this means that the nation of Palestine is illegal as well, as they used the same UN resolution 181 as their legal authority for their creation. As the Ottoman census shows the majority population was Jewish, and at the time of transfer of the land they still where. It was only when the arab muslims started an illegal migration to swell their numbers that they gained a demographic advantage that they failed to do anything with.

Isnt this right yappy dog ?

The only illegal immigrants were the European Jews. The Arab Muslims and Christians were the vast majority (95%) in Palestine until recently. That is just a fact. You can continue making things up and misrepresenting the population of Jerusalem as the population of Palestine, but no one believes you. You are perceived as a clown. Don't you get it?

But, let's repeat the documentary which states clearly what the population was in Palestine in 1896. It is consistent with the British figures for 1921 below

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And the above is consistent with the Ottoman census reports used to in the documentary of 1896 Palestine below:

Which is an ANTI SEMITIC hatchet job by people in the pay of arab muslims. And is just an interim report that was superseded by the proper report that you never seem to link to. Why is this Abdul ?

Lumiere documentaries are not "antisemitic" hatchet jobs, they just present facts and the earliest "moving pictures" of Palestine.

No, the yearly reports of the Mandatory were all called interim reports until the final report was issued at the end of the mandate, it was called the Survey of Palestine and it was the last report. I know you are familiar with it and I have linked it many times.

You are simply in denial and continue making a fool of yourself.

The report is the anti semitic hatchet job, and the video could have any dialogue superimposed on it by anyone making it inadmissible as evidence. I could alter it to show that the Jews were in fact the majority and the arab muslms non existent

So the Report of the Mandatory submitted to the LoN on an annual basis a Mandatory that was denying the non-Jews, in writing, the right of becoming an independent state in order to facilitate the creation of a "Jewish Home in Palestine" is an antisemitic hatchet job? You are so delusional. And the late 1920s/ early 1930s BBC voice over is also a British antisemitic plot.

They already had a Palestinian state in the form of Trans Jordan that was dedicated for their use, the only reason they wanted the 22% dedicated to the Jews was pure jealousy and greed.

If you post it then it is bound to be an islamonazi LIE, PROPAGANDA or BLOOD LIBEL

 

[montelatici]

Trans-Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine geographically, as stated in the definition of the two areas in the Mandate, there was a specific definition of the area of Trans-Jordan and the people, and it was not called Palestine,. Quit making things up. See below.

"Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

None of this has made sense in terms of the Arab Palestinian "DEMANDS" for acceptance of their "Constitution" and their rejection to participate in any phased process to attain self-government (See Post #3365). The Arab Palestinians had no authority to demand anything that did not conform to the desired process to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. The Arab Palestinians were not promised anything, and the Mandatory was not likely to accept demands from the disrespectful and ill mannered Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire). The arrogant tone of the correspondence between the Arab Delegation and the Secretary of State for the Colonies merely demonstrates that while the Arab Delegation declined to participate in the self-governance process, they demand that change be made to the Palestine Order in Council because the Delegation considered it "wholly unsatisfactory;" and stipulating that no useful purpose would be served by discussing in detail the draft of "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922." The Arab Delegation did not want to establish a counterpart voice (an Arab Agency) to the Jewish Agency at the Territorial Level in Palestine with the High Commissioner. But then complained that they were denied their rights and that they were unfairly administered when the outcome of the process favors the Jewish constituency (who had the Jewish Agency as a voice). The idea that the Council should stand in support of Arab Domination over the territory flies in the face of the stated principle objective: "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

The absurd idea that the Arab Delegation, in the era of 1922, could guarantee (for any reasonable amount of time) that "national home for the Jewish people" would be preserved in tact and NOT under the pressures of the Radical Islamic Fundamentalism that was brewing even then; with Grand Mufti of Jerusalem pushing for the independence of Palestine as an Arab state and Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti) actively supporting violent riots that broke out over one of the principle goals in the Mandate --- establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.

Which Arab Country in the region includes these rights in their Constitution:

• 
  (1) Safeguard the civil, political and economic interests of the People.
  
  (2) Provide for the creation of a national independent Government in accordance with the spirit of paragraph 4, Article 22, of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
  
  (3) Safeguard the legal rights of foreigners.
  
  (4) Guarantee religious equality to all peoples.
  
  (5) Guarantee the rights of minorities.
  
  (6) Guarantee the rights of the Assisting Power.

The Guide to Human Rights in Arab Countries is at this link. There was no reasonable expectation then --- and their is no reasonable expectation now, that any Arab Nation could protect and preserve the Jewish National Home. In effect what the Arab Delegation demanded is the ability to crush the concept. Just as the 1920's Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Amin al-Husseini) was violently opposed to the Jews, so it is today --- that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem:

"In the course of his visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority next week, as a matter of protocol, Pope Francis, the most senior figure in the Catholic Church, is scheduled to meet with Israel's two chief rabbis as well as the most senior religious figure in the PA, the Mufti Sheikh Muhammad Hussein. What Pope Francis may not be aware of is that the Mufti has an ongoing record of vicious Antisemitic hate speech, which has been condemned internationally. In 2012, the Mufti preached that it is Muslim destiny to kill the Jews. On a different occasion, in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, he taught that Jews were "enemies of Allah," and in another speech he said that the souls of suicide bombers "tell us to follow in their path." SOURCE: Pope to visit PA Mufti who preached Jews are enemies of Allah destined to be exterminated by Muslims // 19 May 2014."​

Today, the world has to be very careful of the outbreak of Radical Islamic Views that are held by politically motivated movements. They fight and kill in the name of their religion, killing more Arabs (Sunni or Shi'ite) than any outside western power ever thought about. There is no expectation that these groups will ever truly become a useful and productive asset the the greater Arab Community or the Islamic Community.

This idea that the Arab were not treated fairly, is an uneducated perspective in history. The Arabs were treated no differently than any other losing cultures in a major war. Today --- the Arab in some naive sense, wants to argue the correctness and fairness of the Partition Plan. They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination. The territories were surrendered to the Allied Powers for whatever disposition that they may determine is best. And the sovereignty to be divide in whatever manner the Allied Powers considered the best. This --- without regard to whatever the Arabs may deem unsatisfactory. The decisions --- were a determination made by the Allied Powers; and NOT the Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

As you can see, a half dozen Arab Countries were created from the territories to which one of the Mandates applied. The smallest remaining subdivision is still in contention because of the love the Arab Palestinians have for asymmetric activities and insurrectionist causes to oppose the Jewish National Home (Israel). The remaining territory, known as the State of Palestine (AKA: the occupied Palestinian territory), has not made any significant cultural or economic advances since the 1949 Armistice to the Arab Invasion that ignited the Israel War of Independence. The Arab Palestinian has focused on conflict and belligerence since that time and not on any nation build or major domestic infrastructure improvements. Instead of working to become a useful and productive regional influence, they are the poster image of a fail nation that is totally dependent on donor contributions and an economic parasite to the international community.

Most Respectfully,
R

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

No, the Arab Delegation was made up of Christians and Muslims whose people had supported the British against the Axis powers. Ever watched Lawrence of Arabia you ignoramus. And, they were, in fact, promised independence for their support.

"They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination."

Of course they had an innate authority to defend their land from British colonialism. The Jews were Europeans, from another continent, who had every intention of evicting the indigenous people and colonizing the area, in contravention of the LoN Covenant, for example (and there are many others):


ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

The British ignored the Covenant completely when it came to the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Nonetheless, your contention that the Palestinians made no effort to achieve independence is total bullshit coming from a bullshitter. Don't think I can read the seething racism you have for Arabs in your writing.

How about a link showing the Christian members the arab delegation then Abdul.

And they got their independence or haven't you heard of Iran, Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc. Or are you a complete moron and done realise that those were the independent states promised by the British.


How about a contemporary link to prove your claim that the European Jews were colonists out to evict the non Jews from the land.

As you have been told before the laws of today can not be applied retrospectively, and you MUST apply the laws extant at the time. So the laws of the time of the LoN covenant were never breached by the granting of the land to the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Trans-Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine geographically, as stated in the definition of the two areas in the Mandate, there was a specific definition of the area of Trans-Jordan and the people, and it was not called Palestine,. Quit making things up. See below.

"Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

WRONG AGAIN Abdul as the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE details the area it covers, and how they made provision for part of Palestine to be used for an arab muslim nation.

British Mandate for Palestine legal instrument - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Article 25 and Transjordan memorandum[edit]
Article 25 of the mandate recognised the McMahon-Hussein correspondence.[54] It permitted the mandatory to "postpone or withhold application of such provisions of the mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions" in that region.

The final text of the Mandate includes an Article 25 which states:

"In the territories lying between the Jordan [river] and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions"[55]

On submission of the memorandum to the Council of the League of Nations, Balfour explained the background as recorded in the minutes: "Lord Balfour reminded his colleagues that Article 25 of the mandate for Palestine as approved by the Council in London on July 24th, 1922, provides that the territories in Palestine which lie east of the Jordan should be under a somewhat different regime from the rest of Palestine. ... The British Government now merely proposed to carry out this article. It had always been part of the policy contemplated by the League and accepted by the British Government, and the latter now desired to carry it into effect. In pursuance of the policy, embodied in Article 25, Lord Balfour invited the Council to pass a series of resolutions which modified the mandate as regards those territories. The object of these resolutions was to withdraw from Trans-Jordania the special provisions which were intended to provide a national home for the Jews west of the Jordan."[56]




I bet you feel a right idiot now don't you Abdul.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I think you are confused.

Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

(COMMENT)

Who are you trying to kid????

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire)​

• Musa Kazim al-Husayni, who signed the correspondence you cited, held a series of senior posts in the Ottoman administration. He belonged to the prominent al-Husayni family and was mayor of Jerusalem (1918-1920). He was dismissed as mayor by the British authorities and became head of the nationalist Executive Committee of the Palestine Arab Congress from 1922 until 1934.

These were former Ottoman puppets and soon to be stone cold terrorists, in league with the Mufti and associated with Izz ad-din al-Qassam (Palestinian Black Hand). He belonged to the prominent al-Husayni family and was mayor of Jerusalem. While there is no doubt that at least some of the Arab Delegation might have represented the Christian segment, there was not prominent person noted nor a Christian oriented request made by the Delegation.

Remember, the British governed Palestine through a military administration known as Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA); a joint British and French military administration over Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire.

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

No, the Arab Delegation was made up of Christians and Muslims whose people had supported the British against the Axis powers. Ever watched Lawrence of Arabia you ignoramus. And, they were, in fact, promised independence for their support.

"They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination."

Of course they had an innate authority to defend their land from British colonialism. The Jews were Europeans, from another continent, who had every intention of evicting the indigenous people and colonizing the area, in contravention of the LoN Covenant, for example (and there are many others):

(COMMENT)

To make a couple of points:

Look at the timeline. At the time the Arab Delegation was corresponding with the Secretary of State for the Colonies (1920-1925) the Jewish were not evicting anyone from the territory under the Mandate.

Sovereignty and immigration was a matter for the Government of Palestine (ie the UK High Commissioner) and the League of Nations Palestinian Council to be concerned about; not an issue for the Arab Palestinian to be concerned.

There had been no grand strategy pertaining to the distribution of the Jewish Immigrants yet formulated. This did not really come about until after the Arab Palestinians became violent and riotous. With prominent Arab-Palestinians (former enemy citizenry) like the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem openly participating in the incitement activities. It was well known that al-Husseini exercised total control over the secret society, Al-Fida’iyya (The Self-Sacrificers), which, together with al-Ikha’ wal-‘Afaf (Brotherhood and Purity), played an important role in clandestine anti-British and anti-Zionist activities, and, via members in the gendarmerie, had engaged in riotous activities as early as April 1920. Palestinian nationalism emerged, during the time between the initial OETA and the Mandate, in response to Zionist immigration and settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Rocco you posted the same thing 5 times

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

I think you are confused.

Arab Delegation (formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

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Who are you trying to kid????

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire)​

• Musa Kazim al-Husayni, who signed the correspondence you cited, held a series of senior posts in the Ottoman administration. He belonged to the prominent al-Husayni family and was mayor of Jerusalem (1918-1920). He was dismissed as mayor by the British authorities and became head of the nationalist Executive Committee of the Palestine Arab Congress from 1922 until 1934.

These were former Ottoman puppets and soon to be stone cold terrorists, in league with the Mufti and associated with Izz ad-din al-Qassam (Palestinian Black Hand). He belonged to the prominent al-Husayni family and was mayor of Jerusalem. While there is no doubt that at least some of the Arab Delegation might have represented the Christian segment, there was not prominent person noted nor a Christian oriented request made by the Delegation.

Remember, the British governed Palestine through a military administration known as Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA); a joint British and French military administration over Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire.

(formerly the enemy indigenous population supporting the Axis Powers and the Ottoman Empire).

No, the Arab Delegation was made up of Christians and Muslims whose people had supported the British against the Axis powers. Ever watched Lawrence of Arabia you ignoramus. And, they were, in fact, promised independence for their support.

"They believe that they had some innate authority or provocative right that suggests they should have had a political voice in the matter of the Israels self-determination."

Of course they had an innate authority to defend their land from British colonialism. The Jews were Europeans, from another continent, who had every intention of evicting the indigenous people and colonizing the area, in contravention of the LoN Covenant, for example (and there are many others):

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To make a couple of points:

Look at the timeline. At the time the Arab Delegation was corresponding with the Secretary of State for the Colonies (1920-1925) the Jewish were not evicting anyone from the territory under the Mandate.

Sovereignty and immigration was a matter for the Government of Palestine (ie the UK High Commissioner) and the League of Nations Palestinian Council to be concerned about; not an issue for the Arab Palestinian to be concerned.

There had been no grand strategy pertaining to the distribution of the Jewish Immigrants yet formulated. This did not really come about until after the Arab Palestinians became violent and riotous. With prominent Arab-Palestinians (former enemy citizenry) like the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem openly participating in the incitement activities. It was well known that al-Husseini exercised total control over the secret society, Al-Fida’iyya (The Self-Sacrificers), which, together with al-Ikha’ wal-‘Afaf (Brotherhood and Purity), played an important role in clandestine anti-British and anti-Zionist activities, and, via members in the gendarmerie, had engaged in riotous activities as early as April 1920. Palestinian nationalism emerged, during the time between the initial OETA and the Mandate, in response to Zionist immigration and settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman. You are solid into Israeli propaganda.

Here is something from a neutral (Italian) source.