Who Are The Palestinians?

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The alien(s) is/are the Europeans who settled in Palestine, all of Palestine, facilitated by the European colonial power, Great Britain.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

HUH??? What "alien domination" are you referring to? Are the indigenous Palestinians who were Jews aliens?

 

[theliq]

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Which is not law but just recommendations, so not relevant to the current topics

O Yeah,like the recommendation of the UN regarding the proposed State of Israel........that was never ratified by the UN Security Council which would have made it Law, but it was not......making Israel illegal.......to this day.......

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Leila Farsakh

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

It is simple the arab muslims demand a right of return that has no foundation in law. And they refuse to back down and claim that Israel is stopping the peace talks. The only alien domination is that of the arab muslims who interfered in affairs that they had no right to interfere in. Now the terrorists think they have the backing of the whole Islamic world, and they don't.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

No doubt these countries had their claims ratified by the Lawful process of the UN Security Council approval by Law........ISRAEL DID NOT thus making Israel illegal by Law..................Sorry Try again but read up why only Israel is an illegal entity......Fcuk I shouldn't have to tell you this........stop fcucking around and GET REAL..steve......ever living,ever truthful,ever sure.Always

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Leila Farsakh

And it is the islamonazi definition of Zionism that is used, not the true one

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

No doubt these countries had their claims ratified by the Lawful process of the UN Security Council approval by Law........ISRAEL DID NOT thus making Israel illegal by Law..................Sorry Try again but read up why only Israel is an illegal entity......Fcuk I shouldn't have to tell you this........stop fcucking around and GET REAL..steve......ever living,ever truthful,ever sure.Always

Strange then how the UN only ratified one of these nations and that was Israel, the others never did bother to have their claims ratified.

Here is the proof

Israel Palestine and the United Nations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Legality of the State of Israel[edit]
Resolution 181 laid a foundation within international law and diplomacy[66] for the creation of the state of Israel; as it was the first formal recognition by an international body of the legitimacy of a Jewish state, to exist within a partition of the territory along with an Arab state.

The UN followed the practice of the Peace Conference of Paris and the League of Nations regarding the creation of states.[67] Religious and minority rights were placed under the protection of the United Nations and recognition of the new states was conditioned upon acceptance of a constitutional plan of legal protections.[68][69] Israel acknowledged that obligation, and Israel's declaration of independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. In the hearings before the Ad Hoc Political Committee that considered Israel's application for membership in the United Nations, Abba Eban said that the rights stipulated in section C. Declaration, chapters 1 and 2 of UN resolution 181(II) had been constitutionally embodied as the fundamental law of the state of Israel as required by the resolution.[70] The instruments that he cited were the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, and various cables and letters of confirmation addressed to the Secretary General. Eban's explanations and Israel's undertakings were noted in the text of General Assembly Resolution 273 (III) Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations, May 11, 1949.,[71] The British Mandate for Palestine expired on May 15, 1948, and the UK recognized Israeli independence eight months later.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

This is often expressed by pro-Palestinian activists; trying for the appeal to emotion.

The alien(s) is/are the Europeans who settled in Palestine, all of Palestine, facilitated by the European colonial power, Great Britain.

(COMMENT)

In my opinion, there was to colonial activity in the Middle East. And the application of the non-binding concepts of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples are not really applicable to the Mandate System in that:

• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples.
• The intention of Mandate was to extend the universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions that would advance the attainment of their independence.

Considering the important role of the League of Nations, and the UN, (the successor governments to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkey surrendered all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction, had in the establishment of all the Arab governments in the Middle East (territory formerly under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire) in assisting the various bids for independence in Trusts and Non-Self-Governing Territories, it should be noted that the nations upon which such powers of guardianship were conferred exercise them "as Mandatories on behalf of the League of Nations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

No doubt these countries had their claims ratified by the Lawful process of the UN Security Council approval by Law........ISRAEL DID NOT thus making Israel illegal by Law..................Sorry Try again but read up why only Israel is an illegal entity......Fcuk I shouldn't have to tell you this........stop fcucking around and GET REAL..steve......ever living,ever truthful,ever sure.Always

Strange then how the UN only ratified one of these nations and that was Israel, the others never did bother to have their claims ratified.

Here is the proof

Israel Palestine and the United Nations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Legality of the State of Israel[edit]
Resolution 181 laid a foundation within international law and diplomacy[66] for the creation of the state of Israel; as it was the first formal recognition by an international body of the legitimacy of a Jewish state, to exist within a partition of the territory along with an Arab state.

The UN followed the practice of the Peace Conference of Paris and the League of Nations regarding the creation of states.[67] Religious and minority rights were placed under the protection of the United Nations and recognition of the new states was conditioned upon acceptance of a constitutional plan of legal protections.[68][69] Israel acknowledged that obligation, and Israel's declaration of independence stated that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture. In the hearings before the Ad Hoc Political Committee that considered Israel's application for membership in the United Nations, Abba Eban said that the rights stipulated in section C. Declaration, chapters 1 and 2 of UN resolution 181(II) had been constitutionally embodied as the fundamental law of the state of Israel as required by the resolution.[70] The instruments that he cited were the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, and various cables and letters of confirmation addressed to the Secretary General. Eban's explanations and Israel's undertakings were noted in the text of General Assembly Resolution 273 (III) Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations, May 11, 1949.,[71] The British Mandate for Palestine expired on May 15, 1948, and the UK recognized Israeli independence eight months later.

Modern day Israel was legally & morally established by a vote of the member nations of the UN whereas all Muslim countries were conquered by force & stolen from the indigenous populations whereby they had to convert, leave or be killed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

This is often expressed by pro-Palestinian activists; trying for the appeal to emotion.

The alien(s) is/are the Europeans who settled in Palestine, all of Palestine, facilitated by the European colonial power, Great Britain.

(COMMENT)

In my opinion, there was to colonial activity in the Middle East. And the application of the non-binding concepts of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples are not really applicable to the Mandate System in that:

• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples.
• The intention of Mandate was to extend the universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions that would advance the attainment of their independence.

Considering the important role of the League of Nations, and the UN, (the successor governments to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkey surrendered all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction, had in the establishment of all the Arab governments in the Middle East (territory formerly under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire) in assisting the various bids for independence in Trusts and Non-Self-Governing Territories, it should be noted that the nations upon which such powers of guardianship were conferred exercise them "as Mandatories on behalf of the League of Nations.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

That is not to say that the Mandate was not complicit in setting the stage for Israel's military takeover of Palestine. Britain did provide the political and military power to protect the pre state colonization of Palestine by the Zionists. Britain allowed the Zionists to create a state within a state, including a military, while denying the same to the Palestinians.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that was unrelated to anything else.

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

This is often expressed by pro-Palestinian activists; trying for the appeal to emotion.

The alien(s) is/are the Europeans who settled in Palestine, all of Palestine, facilitated by the European colonial power, Great Britain.

(COMMENT)

In my opinion, there was to colonial activity in the Middle East. And the application of the non-binding concepts of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples are not really applicable to the Mandate System in that:

• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples.
• The intention of Mandate was to extend the universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions that would advance the attainment of their independence.

Considering the important role of the League of Nations, and the UN, (the successor governments to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkey surrendered all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction, had in the establishment of all the Arab governments in the Middle East (territory formerly under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire) in assisting the various bids for independence in Trusts and Non-Self-Governing Territories, it should be noted that the nations upon which such powers of guardianship were conferred exercise them "as Mandatories on behalf of the League of Nations.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

That is not to say that the Mandate was not complicit in setting the stage for Israel's military takeover of Palestine. Britain did provide the political and military power to protect the pre state colonization of Palestine by the Zionists. Britain allowed the Zionists to create a state within a state, including a military, while denying the same to the Palestinians.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that was unrelated to anything else.

"Creation of Israel"? Are you suggesting there was no Israel until 1948?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is entirely wrong.

montelatici, et al,

This is often expressed by pro-Palestinian activists; trying for the appeal to emotion.

The alien(s) is/are the Europeans who settled in Palestine, all of Palestine, facilitated by the European colonial power, Great Britain.

(COMMENT)

In my opinion, there was to colonial activity in the Middle East. And the application of the non-binding concepts of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples are not really applicable to the Mandate System in that:

• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples.
• The intention of Mandate was to extend the universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
• The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions that would advance the attainment of their independence.

Considering the important role of the League of Nations, and the UN, (the successor governments to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkey surrendered all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction, had in the establishment of all the Arab governments in the Middle East (territory formerly under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire) in assisting the various bids for independence in Trusts and Non-Self-Governing Territories, it should be noted that the nations upon which such powers of guardianship were conferred exercise them "as Mandatories on behalf of the League of Nations.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

That is not to say that the Mandate was not complicit in setting the stage for Israel's military takeover of Palestine. Britain did provide the political and military power to protect the pre state colonization of Palestine by the Zionists. Britain allowed the Zionists to create a state within a state, including a military, while denying the same to the Palestinians.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that was unrelated to anything else.

(COMMENT)

• The Mandate set the conditions for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.
• The Mandate set the conditions for the establishment of the Jewish National Home, and the development of self-governing institutions.
• The Mandate set the conditions for immigration --- such that all Jews who are willing to assist --- might be shall encouraged in the establishment of the Jewish National Home.
• The Mandate set the conditions to acquire Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

There were many factor the helped set conditions favorable to the establishment of the Jewish National Home. The Mandate was not exclusive, but it made its contribution.

It is well known that representatives of the United Kingdom Government have stated, at various times, even before the question was submitted to the General Assembly, that the mandatory system of administration of Palestine has not justified itself and that the solution of the problem of how to deal with Palestine should be found by the United Nations. Thus, for instance, Mr. Bevin made the following statement in the House of Commons on 18 February 1947.

"We intend to place before them [the United Nations] a historical account of the way in which His Majesty's Government have discharged their trust in Palestine over the last twenty-five years. We shall explain that the mandate has proved to be unworkable in practice and that the obligations undertaken to the two communities in Palestine have been shown to be irreconcilable." A/2/PV.77 14 May 1947

AND​

​

In view of the necessity of manifesting concern for the needs of the Jewish people who find themselves without homes and without means of existence, the delegation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics thinks it essential, in this connexion, to draw the attention of the General Assembly to the following important circumstance. Past experience, particularly during the Second World War, shows that no western European State was able to provide adequate assistance for the Jewish people in defending its rights and its very existence from the violence of the Hitlerites and their allies. This is an unpleasant fact, but unfortunately, like all other facts, it must be admitted.

The fact that no western European State has been able to ensure the defence of the elementary rights of the Jewish people, and to safeguard it against the violence of the fascist executioners, explains the aspirations of the Jews to establish their own State. It would be unjust not to take this into consideration and to deny the right of the Jewish people to realize this aspiration. It would be unjustifiable to deny this right to the Jewish people, particularly in view of all it has undergone during the Second World War. Consequently, the study of this aspect of the problem and the preparation of relevant proposals must constitute an important task of the special committee.

AND​

Neither the historic past nor the conditions prevailing in Palestine at present can justify any unilateral solution of the Palestine problem, either in favour of establishing an independent Arab State, without consideration for the legitimate rights of the Jewish people, or in favour of the establishment of an independent Jewish State, while ignoring the legitimate rights of the Arab population. Neither of these extreme decisions would achieve an equitable solution of this complicated problem, especially since neither would ensure the settlement of relations between the Arabs and the Jews, which constitutes the most important task. A/2/PV.77 14 May 1947

And finally, and probably most importantly,

(QUOTING) Mr. Andrei Andreyevich GROMYKO, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics):
During the last war, the Jewish people underwent exceptional sorrow and suffering. Without any exaggeration, this sorrow and suffering are indescribable. It is difficult to express them in dry statistics on the Jewish victims of the fascist aggressors. The Jews in territories where the Hitlerites held sway were subjected to almost complete physical annihilation. The total number of members of the Jewish population who perished at the hands of the nazi executioners is estimated at approximately six million. Only about a million and a half Jews in Western Europe survived the war.

It may well be asked if the United Nations, in view of the difficult situation of hundreds of thousands of the surviving Jewish population, can fail to show an interest in the situation of these people, torn away from their countries and their homes. The United Nations cannot and must not regard this situation with indifference, since this would be incompatible with the high principles proclaimed in its Charter, which provide for the defence of human rights, irrespective of race, religion or sex. The time has come to help these people, not by word, but by deeds. It is essential to show concern for the urgent needs of a people which has undergone such great suffering as a result of the war brought about by hitlerite Germany. This is a duty of the United Nations.

The fact that no western European State has been able to ensure the defence of the elementary rights of the Jewish people, and to safeguard it against the violence of the fascist executioners, explains the aspirations of the Jews to establish their own State. It would be unjust not to take this into consideration and to deny the right of the Jewish people to realize this aspiration. It would be unjustifiable to deny this right to the Jewish people, particularly in view of all it has undergone during the Second World War. Consequently, the study of this aspect of the problem and the preparation of relevant proposals must constitute an important task of the special committee.
A/2/PV.77 14 May 1947​

I normally don't quote Soviets --- in most cases, simply because we seldom agree. But in this case, the two prevailing Superpowers of the World (in that time frame) happened to agree.

Probably the biggest reason the Mandate had an impact on the establishment of the State, might be because the Mandate illuminated the unreconcilable differences between the Arab Palestinians and the Israelis. And it is this vast gulf of diplomacy which the Arab Palestinian seems to have no capacity to resolve.

Most Respectfully,
R

​

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come on now. Be specific.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.

(COMMENT)

Be specific! What defined territory is under "alien domination?"

• Is is the territory occupied since 1967?
• Is it the entirety of the territory to which the former Mandate applied?
• Who is the alien?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

Then so are Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE as they were formed under the same mandate rules as Israel. So which is it to be, either all the M.E. states are illegal or none are. Because what ever criteria you come up with also applies to the muslim states.

No doubt these countries had their claims ratified by the Lawful process of the UN Security Council approval by Law........ISRAEL DID NOT thus making Israel illegal by Law..................Sorry Try again but read up why only Israel is an illegal entity......Fcuk I shouldn't have to tell you this........stop fcucking around and GET REAL..steve......ever living,ever truthful,ever sure.Always

What law makes Israel illegal ??

BTW, thanks for proving that you are a two faced liar. You always tell us how you support Israel blah blah blah, and then you criticize someone for supporting an 'illegal state'

There is no such thing as an illegal sovereign state you lying demented Nazi

 

[toastman]

theliq, et al,

I see nothing above that substantiates your outlandish claim that: "Israel is an Illegal State." --- Although I see this quite often from pro-Palestinian Activist.

Israel is an ILLEGAL State,see comment above..........you are perpetuating and supporting this Illegal State........like most of your (Most Respectfully) comments,they mean nought,nothing,zilch......so STOP this erroneous commentary of yours......Resectfully or NOT

(OBSERVATIONS)

PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION --- PART I --- Future constitution and government of Palestine
Section B --- STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE --- Resolution 181 (II) of the General Assembly, dated 29 November 1947
PART II --- Boundaries --- Section A. - THE ARAB STATE Section B - THE JEWISH STATE

• S/747 16 May 1948 Declaration of Independence
• S/1093 29 November 1948 Application for Admission to the UN
• S/RES/69 S/1277 4 March 1949 Favorable UN Security Council Recommendation
• A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949 General Assembly Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

(COMMENT)

I fail to see the justification for your comment that "Israel is an ILLEGAL State."

Most Respectfully,
R

You will fail to see any justification in any of his posts.