Who Are The Palestinians?

[MJB12741]

No a fact that is proven when you look back to 1948 and the arab muslim invasion of Israel. That is when the problems really started and the arab muslims vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. A pity that the Jews had more to fight for after all it is their land by international law.

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

No a fact that is proven when you look back to 1948 and the arab muslim invasion of Israel. That is when the problems really started and the arab muslims vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. A pity that the Jews had more to fight for after all it is their land by international law.

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

OUTSTANDING POINT! And who were those Palestinians that have been living on the land for over 2000 years. Yep, they were JEWS!

 

[MJB12741]

MJB the ZioNazi is speechless as he watches a real film of 1896 Palestine. He can't believe that there are Palestinians walking around, Christians and Muslims.

How dare you call me off all people a ZioNazi. I despise them with all my heart & soul for what they have done to the Palestinians with their damn Zionist agenda of peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to provoke the Palestinians by keeping them in Israel when all they want is to be free from Israel. Want peace? Fist this entire Zionist agenda has to go. Israel needs a leader like king Hussein who knew how to achieve a lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[montelatici]

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

OUTSTANDING POINT! And who were those Palestinians that have been living on the land for over 2000 years. Yep, they were JEWS!

The Romans (Eastern) required adherence to Christianity, the State religion. There were no Jews before Islam took over. The Muslims allowed the Jews to return and practice their religion, in fact, the perfidious Jews helped the Muslims defeat the Christians.

 

[montelatici]

MJB the ZioNazi is speechless as he watches a real film of 1896 Palestine. He can't believe that there are Palestinians walking around, Christians and Muslims.

How dare you call me off all people a ZioNazi. I despise them with all my heart & soul for what they have done to the Palestinians with their damn Zionist agenda of peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to provoke the Palestinians by keeping them in Israel when all they want is to be free from Israel. Want peace? Fist this entire Zionist agenda has to go. Israel needs a leader like king Hussein who knew how to achieve a lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

What peace offerings? A thief that offers to return part of what he has stolen does not offer peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bullshit, of course but go ahead and run with it.

No a fact that is proven when you look back to 1948 and the arab muslim invasion of Israel. That is when the problems really started and the arab muslims vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. A pity that the Jews had more to fight for after all it is their land by international law.

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Noor Harazeen

 

[Phoenall]

No a fact that is proven when you look back to 1948 and the arab muslim invasion of Israel. That is when the problems really started and the arab muslims vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. A pity that the Jews had more to fight for after all it is their land by international law.

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

Wrong again Abdul, they were a separate entity that are still nomadic to this day. The arab muslims from Syria and Egypt that followed the crops as itinerant farm workers. The same farm workers the Ottomans tried to get to settle in Palestine and work the land 3 times. And 3 times they failed to stay longer than 6 months as they did not like the work. They preferred the life of wandering hobo's working for food and shelter .

Like all islamonazi misfits you start to LIE as soon as the truth comes out about the arab muslims invading Palestine. Do explain again how the arab muslims managed to produce 4 children every 9 months from every female between the ages of 12 and 50 and not one died. Or how the population had not one death from old age, disease or accident in 20 years. Or was it ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION that created the rise in population between 1922 and 1939

 

[Phoenall]

Breibart? Seriously? That's up there with Faux News for journalistic accuracy and integrity, just another Hasbara site.

From the worthless c-nt linking to mondoweiss. You're as ******* stupid as they come.

He also links to a known and proven NAZI HOLOCAUST DENIAL group.

 

[Phoenall]

MJB the ZioNazi is speechless as he watches a real film of 1896 Palestine. He can't believe that there are Palestinians walking around, Christians and Muslims.

Only your word on that which as we know is worthless. Show some real proof for a change, like the Ottoman census from 1850 on over ?

 

[Phoenall]

No a fact that is proven when you look back to 1948 and the arab muslim invasion of Israel. That is when the problems really started and the arab muslims vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy Israel. A pity that the Jews had more to fight for after all it is their land by international law.

The invaders were Jews from Europe. They began murdering and ethnically cleansing the Christians and Muslims (non-Jews) of Palestine and the surrounding countries tried to stop this murder and ethnic cleansing of the native people by the Europeans. The European Jews were from another continent FFS.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

Any corroborative evidence to support this fantasy ?

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Noor Harazeen

Fire illegal weapons from a civilian area and you will find it loses its civilian status and becomes a valid military target. Use "civilians" as human shields and they then become militia and valid military targets. As the ICC has reported hamas was guilty of war crimes during Operation Protective Edge and the P.A. has dropped the case before they start getting arrested and dragged before the Hague.

Any comment on JUSTICE being seen to be done, and the arab muslims finding that the UN is starting to see them as they really are ?

 

[Phoenall]

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

How can citizens of a nation be invaders, that is a typical islamonazi OXYMORON. The only invaders were the thousands of arab muslims that invaded the Jews homeland from 1922 till the present day. These arab muslims had been murdering and eyjnically cleansing Jews from the M.E. since 630 C.E. when the inventor of islam made it a religious command. The Jews were always the native people, and the arab muslims were always the ones doing the murdering and ethnic cleansing. The arab muslims had no interest in what was happening in Palestine other than they were going to lose the land. This was shown when they told the arab muslims to move out of the way. Then later when Jordan massacred 50,000 in one month.

How can citizens of a nation be invaders,

Good question. How can the citizens of Palestine inside Palestine be the invaders?

Because they were not citizens of Palestine but itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. Many were unskilled Syrian and Egyptian nomads who were offered land that was being worked by the Jews. The Grand Mufti exposed his plans in 1929 when he ordered the Hebron massacre. Many arab leaders told how the arab muslims in Palestine were not native but were travellers, what we in Europe call Roma

You are confusing the Bedouins, who were a small portion of the population, with the Palestinians who had been living in Palestine for over 2,000 years. And, luckily, we have film from 1896 to demonstrate how delusional you are:

OUTSTANDING POINT! And who were those Palestinians that have been living on the land for over 2000 years. Yep, they were JEWS!

The Romans (Eastern) required adherence to Christianity, the State religion. There were no Jews before Islam took over. The Muslims allowed the Jews to return and practice their religion, in fact, the perfidious Jews helped the Muslims defeat the Christians.

LIES as the Jews have existed in the M.E. for over 4,500 years. You have failed to produce any evidence to disprove this, or to disprove the Ottoman census counts that show the Jews outnumbered the arab muslims every year from 1840 till the present day.

 

[Phoenall]

MJB the ZioNazi is speechless as he watches a real film of 1896 Palestine. He can't believe that there are Palestinians walking around, Christians and Muslims.

How dare you call me off all people a ZioNazi. I despise them with all my heart & soul for what they have done to the Palestinians with their damn Zionist agenda of peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to provoke the Palestinians by keeping them in Israel when all they want is to be free from Israel. Want peace? Fist this entire Zionist agenda has to go. Israel needs a leader like king Hussein who knew how to achieve a lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

What peace offerings? A thief that offers to return part of what he has stolen does not offer peace.

The only thieves are the arab muslims who have stolen Jewish land since 635 C.E. International law states that the Jews are the lands owners and the arab muslims are the armed invaders. Time for the UN to step in and evict the invaders forcing their countries of origin to take them back.

 

[MJB12741]

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

 

[toastman]

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

According to pro Palestinians, the offspring of the initial refugees are also refugees. As well as their offspring. And theirs.....

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Which is not law but just recommendations, so not relevant to the current topics

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, two issues.

et al,

What is the legal basis for the Palestinian "Right of Return?"

No surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. They know the Palestinians very well. How relieved they are to have Israel to have to deal with them.

(COMMENT)

I looked at the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department site, and all I can find, that the really agree upon, is:

• Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (1945), requires that “[a]ll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” and calls for the “[w]ithdrawal of
  Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
• The International Court of Justice, in its July 9, 2004 Advisory Opinion, concluded that Israel in breach of international law as an occupying power by building its Wall and settlements inside the oPt.

I also notice that under the Convention relating to the status of Stateless Persons, there may not be as many Palestinian Refugees as the UNRWA says.

In the last couple weeks, the pro-Palestinian side has made it plain that they consider Palestinians of the 1988 State of Palestine a cohesive and permanent population. If so, there are very few "refugees" to start with in the discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

(QUESTIONS)

• Is General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, binding?
• Where is the "Right of Return" stipulated by International Law?

(COMMENT)

While the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (1967 Protocol) is treaty like and binding, it does not give refugees a right to return.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see where the right to return would be relevant. The only thing in the way is the alien domination. Without that, the right to return would not be an issue.