P F Tinmore
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What did I say that isn't true?
Who Are The Palestinians?
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Challenger
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Well no they didn't. By the 1940's the Palestinian attempt at independance, begun in 1936 had been all but brutally suppressed by the Mandatory power charged with facilitating that independence with the aid of Zionist Jewish militias and death squads. The Palestinian leadership was either dead, in prison or in exile and Palestinian civil society/institutions in ruins. Meanwhile the Zionists had greatly strengthened their position, gaining training and experience from the British. By the time the British abandoned the Mandate, the Zionists in Palestine were the strongest military force in the region and more than ready to take over. The threat had always come from the Zionist Jewish colonists; the Palestinians merely tried to defend themselves as best they could. Characterising this as a "jihadist and armed struggle with the Israelis". Is pandering to Zionist propagandist/Hasbarist historiography. There was never any possibility of a "benevolent relationship" with Zionism, whose aim from the outset was ethnic cleansing of the native population in favour of European Jewish colonisation.
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P F Tinmore, et al,
Well, we may disagree on our interpretations, but I never start with the intent to deceive anyone about anything (lie).
The concept of Palestine was established at the San Remo Conference --- decided on 24 April 1920 --- to assign the Mandate [for Palestine] to Great Britain; within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers. Palestine, as defined by the Allied Powers, was not an "occupation;" but a civil administration of a "peoples not yet able to stand by themselves."
The Mandate differs significantly from an Occupation. In a "Mandate", the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory's Civil authority and is explicitly defined in each case by the Council. In an "Occupation" the territory is placed under the authority of the dominate military governorship (in terms of the Article 42 of the Hague Convention --- a "hostile Army") and extends only to the territory where such military authority has been established and can be exercised. In the case of Palestine, (within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers) on July 1st, 1920, by order of His Majesty's Government a "Civil Administration" was established. Note, this is two years before the Mandate for Palestine was even written.
Between October 1914 and October 1918 --- British Expeditionary Forces (British Third Army) engaged the elements of the Ottoman Fourth Army, which ultimately lead to the military defeat of Ottoman Forces in the Region and all threats to British defenses on the Suez Canal (February 1915). British Expeditionary Forces did not engage the Ottoman Fourth Army to implement the Balfour Declaration; but to advance the southern forward edge of battle from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean and protect the Suez Canal. The decision to implement the Balfour Declaration had not yet been adopted by the Allied Powers, nor had the League of Nations Covenant been published.
Now it is true, that between September 1920 and May 1921, about 10,000 Jewish immigrants arrived (8084 came under the auspices of the Zionist Organization and 1815 came independently). But this is hardly the "boatload with the stated goal of creating a Jewish state" you allege. However, it was pursuant to the intent of the Allied Powers "to secure the cooperation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home."
Most Respectfully,
R
Well, we may disagree on our interpretations, but I never start with the intent to deceive anyone about anything (lie).
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The concept of Palestine was established at the San Remo Conference --- decided on 24 April 1920 --- to assign the Mandate [for Palestine] to Great Britain; within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers. Palestine, as defined by the Allied Powers, was not an "occupation;" but a civil administration of a "peoples not yet able to stand by themselves."
The Mandate differs significantly from an Occupation. In a "Mandate", the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory's Civil authority and is explicitly defined in each case by the Council. In an "Occupation" the territory is placed under the authority of the dominate military governorship (in terms of the Article 42 of the Hague Convention --- a "hostile Army") and extends only to the territory where such military authority has been established and can be exercised. In the case of Palestine, (within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers) on July 1st, 1920, by order of His Majesty's Government a "Civil Administration" was established. Note, this is two years before the Mandate for Palestine was even written.
Between October 1914 and October 1918 --- British Expeditionary Forces (British Third Army) engaged the elements of the Ottoman Fourth Army, which ultimately lead to the military defeat of Ottoman Forces in the Region and all threats to British defenses on the Suez Canal (February 1915). British Expeditionary Forces did not engage the Ottoman Fourth Army to implement the Balfour Declaration; but to advance the southern forward edge of battle from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean and protect the Suez Canal. The decision to implement the Balfour Declaration had not yet been adopted by the Allied Powers, nor had the League of Nations Covenant been published.
Now it is true, that between September 1920 and May 1921, about 10,000 Jewish immigrants arrived (8084 came under the auspices of the Zionist Organization and 1815 came independently). But this is hardly the "boatload with the stated goal of creating a Jewish state" you allege. However, it was pursuant to the intent of the Allied Powers "to secure the cooperation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home."
Most Respectfully,
R
I am Muslim. Jerusalem and Palstine are holy and sacred in Islam. Jerusalem is holy and sacred in Christianity and Judaism. Islam does not claim to be a religion that started in 609. Islam claims to be the sa,e religion of Abraham, the same religion of Moses, of David, of Solomon, of Jesus, of John, etc...In 609, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) received the mission to close prophethood. He is the Seal of the Prophets. That is why Islam has a claim to Palestine and Jerusalem.
In other words, Judaism and Christianity are not true today, to Jesus, Moses and Abraham. Their messages were changed over tiome by people with more or less political agendas. Jesus, Moses and Abraham gave the good news that one day Muhammad would come. But people hided that after them, out of jealousy of Muhammad, the Arab Prophet. This is why even as a child, the Jews were eager to have Muhammad killed, but Allah (God) protected him very meticulously.
Another proof of the deceit is that Christians know well that Jesus was hated and in danger of being killed, and he was overpowered by the Jews, and yet they still think the Bible was never changed by some people with agendas.
Let me precise that Jesus was not killed, according to Islam, he escaped crucifixion. The one who betrayed him was crucified in his place after God made him to look like Jesus.
So where is the evidence from a non partisan source showing the same thing, as soon as it is pointed out that this is a complete fabrication you go demented and start throwing around false claims.
If the Palestinian arab muslims were capable of standing alone then they woulkd have done so from 1988, but seeing as they are so heavily in debt that the sun will go cold before they manage to pay it off then they never will. The P.A. knows this as does the UN, and they are hiding the facts from the world in case the whole show collapses as aid dries up
Then show were Jerusalem and Palestine are mentioned in the koran and hadiths, and explain how the mosque on the temple mount was not built until 30 years after the death of Mohamed.
What did he prophesy then if he is the last prophet, tell the board something that was not known before Mohamed invented islam.
Care to explain why the Koran of today is radically different to the Koran of the 7C. It is even in your own hadiths that it has been altered and parts removed by successive leaders. Ayesha states that certain Surah's of the Koran contained many more verses than the korans of today. This must mean that Islam's message has also been changed by people with their own agenda.
So when can I expect your answer to the above facts that show islam to be a false religion based on a moon god, 3 crane goddesses and a psychopaths bloodlust.
They have it in their power to be free once and for all by simply accepting International law and agreeing to peace talks and mutual borders
From the evidence plainly available on the internet. If they wanted a state they could have had one in 1948, 1988, 1999 and at any time since. But while they engage in terrorism, violence, belligerence and propaganda they will never get a state. They are to blame themselves for the situation they are currently in, and if the world stopped all the aid going to the west bank and gaza the people would slowly starve to death while the leaders grew fatter.
So how did the Palestinians manage to get Jordan then ?
Why do you always blame Britain when they were just the Mandatory power and acted on orders from the legal land owners ?
The Palestinians have initiated the aggression from the late 1890's and this time the Jews fought back
The Zionists watched as the British caged boatloads of Jews in death camps while allowing many tens of thousands of arab muslims flood into Palestine from Syria and Jordan.
That is the reality, not your made up islamonazi fantasy
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P F Tinmore
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Well, we may disagree on our interpretations,..
Indeed, because you can't get your face out of Israeli propaganda.
For Britain when it changed from an occupation to a civil administration it was merely a name change. It kept its military there and in fact increased troop strength in the '30s to better trample on the Palestinian's inalienable rights.
Do you have any links to back this bullshit propaganda up?
Hossfly
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Thanks for posting thag link. If you read it, you will see that the revolt was started by the Palestinians. In fact, ALL the violence was started by the Arabs.
Funny, because I havr never seen you refute Rocco's posts. All you do is call his posts propaganda, while you post Palestinian propaganda, yet you cannot refute a thing that he says.
Like most pro Palestinians, you cannot handle the truth.
Can you provide some evidence on Britain trampling on their rights?
Challenger
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Wow, no shit Sherlock, That's why it was called the "ARAB revolt in Palestine". Oh, BTW, go argue with Phoney, HE claims "Palestinians" were what Arabs called Jewish people at the time.
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