P F Tinmore
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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(COMMENT)Says the guy who does not know how regional economies work.
This is a response levied at me, as opposed to the content of my commentary.
(COMMENT)Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
It is not unusual for Caretaker Regimes and Administrative Powers to make investments in territories that they have economic, commercial, and manufacturing interests within. But whether or not there is a "Caretaker Sovereignty" involved or managed by "Self-Governing" entities, the Middle East and North Africa region (MENA) constituted a cultural, economic, and political geography that extends well beyond the region’s physical borders. And while the Arab Palestinians are self-centered with a narrow view of the potential regional development, the post-WWI Allied Powers had a view of the region that fit the mosaic of the Greater Mediterranean traffic of international commercial patterns as it fits into the emerging world commerce and global economies. The western nations that actually made some investment in Israel (as opposed to the corrupted Jew-Arab Territory under Mandate) can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations and isolated cultures such as that of the Arab Palestinians.
The Mandatory Government (The British) tried hard to move the Territory under Mandate in a positive direction, but the constant end-fighting between the Jewish Culture and the Arab Culture strongly resisted cultural, economic, commercial, manufacturing, scientific, and political advancement that would have been beneficial to the stagnant Arab-Palestinian Local community, the emerging Jewish Culture, and the governing Administration.
(COMMENT)According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.
I don't believe that is accurate at all. In any event, that was not the assessment made by the powers-that-be at the period.
While Arab Palestinians may have worked within the Ottoman governmental framework as minor functionaries, I doubt you can find a handful of Arab Palestinians that actually held senior leadership positions outside of service in the military against the Allied Powers.
Who, on the Arab Palestinian side of the equation, were the prominent cultural, economic, and political prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire? You will be very hard-pressed to name a dozen (or so) Arab Palestinians noted for making great strides in commerce, manufacturing, and scientific development in the last Millenium. And while there were dozens and dozens of Arab Palestinian political personalities, you would be hard-pressed to name a handful of senior executive officials.
(COMMENT)Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?
And was that unuusal?
There were only four Class "A" Mandates for post-War territories: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.
◈ IRAQ: Independence: 3 October 1932 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration◈ LEBANON: Independence: 22 November 1943 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration◈ SYRIA: Independence: 17 April 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration◈ PALESTINE:✦ Jordan: Independence 25 May 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration✦ Israel: Independence 15 May 1948 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration✦ West Bank: ○ Occupied and administered by Jordan 15 May 1948 -○ Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 - ○ Sovereignty released by Jordan 31 July 1988 - Effective Control default to Israel -✦ Gaza Strip:○ Occupied and administered by Egypt 15 May 1948 -○ Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 - ○ Released by Israel Unilateral Withdrawal Completed September 12, 2005 - Default governance to Arab Palestinians -
OK, so the release of Palestine from the League of Nations Mandate was last. With the exception of the Republic of Iraq, all the political entities were release from the Mandates within 5 years of each other. And in remembering this, one has to acknowledge that the Arab Palestinians, from the very beginning of their administration under the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA), wanted treatment commensurate with the regional cultures that were members of an alliance with the Principal Allied Powers that were locked in conflict with the enemy Central Powers (the alliance of Germany, Austria–Hungary, → Ottoman, and Bulgaria). That simply was not going to be the case. At that point in time historically, to treat members of the opposing force with the same post-War benefits as the members of the Alliance would be a betrayal (almost deceitfulness) of the loyalty and dedication shown by the allied members.
(EPILOG)
○ After the Massacre of the Royal Family look at the outcome of Iraq. (Well)○ After the independence of Lebanon, the collapse of the political stability a Civil War took place from 1975 to 1990. (Casualties 100K plus)○ Look at Syria today: Syrian Civil War, opposing political-religious activist groups. (Casualties 400K plus)
None of these territories actually developed a stable political government. The most stable of the group today is Lebanon. Yet, the people elected Hezbollah (terrorist) to the government with 53% of the seats in Parliament. Iraq is under a very strong influence of Iran, with its last Civil War (2014-2017) 400K died. Syria is simply a mess. We can argue the causes, but at the end of the day, these countries turned out NOT to be stable or stand on their own.
Most Respectfully,
R
According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.
(COMMENT)Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?
What does all that blabber have to do with my post?