Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Says the guy who does not know how regional economies work.

(COMMENT)

This is a response levied at me, as opposed to the content of my commentary.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.

(COMMENT)

It is not unusual for Caretaker Regimes and Administrative Powers to make investments in territories that they have economic, commercial, and manufacturing interests within. But whether or not there is a "Caretaker Sovereignty" involved or managed by "Self-Governing" entities, the Middle East and North Africa region (MENA) constituted a cultural, economic, and political geography that extends well beyond the region’s physical borders. And while the Arab Palestinians are self-centered with a narrow view of the potential regional development, the post-WWI Allied Powers had a view of the region that fit the mosaic of the Greater Mediterranean traffic of international commercial patterns as it fits into the emerging world commerce and global economies. The western nations that actually made some investment in Israel (as opposed to the corrupted Jew-Arab Territory under Mandate) can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations and isolated cultures such as that of the Arab Palestinians.

The Mandatory Government (The British) tried hard to move the Territory under Mandate in a positive direction, but the constant end-fighting between the Jewish Culture and the Arab Culture strongly resisted cultural, economic, commercial, manufacturing, scientific, and political advancement that would have been beneficial to the stagnant Arab-Palestinian Local community, the emerging Jewish Culture, and the governing Administration.

According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.

(COMMENT)

I don't believe that is accurate at all. In any event, that was not the assessment made by the powers-that-be at the period.

While Arab Palestinians may have worked within the Ottoman governmental framework as minor functionaries, I doubt you can find a handful of Arab Palestinians that actually held senior leadership positions outside of service in the military against the Allied Powers.

Who, on the Arab Palestinian side of the equation, were the prominent cultural, economic, and political prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire? You will be very hard-pressed to name a dozen (or so) Arab Palestinians noted for making great strides in commerce, manufacturing, and scientific development in the last Millenium. And while there were dozens and dozens of Arab Palestinian political personalities, you would be hard-pressed to name a handful of senior executive officials.

Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?

(COMMENT)

And was that unuusal?

There were only four Class "A" Mandates for post-War territories: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.

◈ IRAQ: Independence: 3 October 1932 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration​

◈ LEBANON: Independence: 22 November 1943 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration​

◈ SYRIA: Independence: 17 April 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration​

◈ PALESTINE:​

✦ Jordan: Independence 25 May 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration​

✦ Israel: Independence 15 May 1948 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration​

✦ West Bank: ​

○ Occupied and administered by Jordan 15 May 1948 -​

○ Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 - ​

○ Sovereignty released by Jordan 31 July 1988 - Effective Control default to Israel -​

✦ Gaza Strip:​

○ Occupied and administered by Egypt 15 May 1948 -​

○ Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 - ​

○ Released by Israel Unilateral Withdrawal Completed September 12, 2005 - Default governance to Arab Palestinians -​

OK, so the release of Palestine from the League of Nations Mandate was last. With the exception of the Republic of Iraq, all the political entities were release from the Mandates within 5 years of each other. And in remembering this, one has to acknowledge that the Arab Palestinians, from the very beginning of their administration under the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA), wanted treatment commensurate with the regional cultures that were members of an alliance with the Principal Allied Powers that were locked in conflict with the enemy Central Powers (the alliance of Germany, Austria–Hungary, → Ottoman, and Bulgaria). That simply was not going to be the case. At that point in time historically, to treat members of the opposing force with the same post-War benefits as the members of the Alliance would be a betrayal (almost deceitfulness) of the loyalty and dedication shown by the allied members.

(EPILOG)

○ After the Massacre of the Royal Family look at the outcome of Iraq. (Well)​

○ After the independence of Lebanon, the collapse of the political stability a Civil War took place from 1975 to 1990. (Casualties 100K plus)​

○ Look at Syria today: Syrian Civil War, opposing political-religious activist groups. (Casualties 400K plus)​

None of these territories actually developed a stable political government. The most stable of the group today is Lebanon. Yet, the people elected Hezbollah (terrorist) to the government with 53% of the seats in Parliament. Iraq is under a very strong influence of Iran, with its last Civil War (2014-2017) 400K died. Syria is simply a mess. We can argue the causes, but at the end of the day, these countries turned out NOT to be stable or stand on their own.

Most Respectfully,
R

According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.

Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?

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What does all that blabber have to do with my post?

 

[Kondor3]

There never has been - nor will there ever be - a country called 'Palestine'...

The Muslim-Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank couldn't find their a$$e$ with both hands in a well-lit room lined with mirrors.

 

[Hollie]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

 

[Hollie]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine.

Still more than the Palestinians.

 

[Hollie]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

Wearing your Islamo-dancing shoes?

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

 

[Hollie]

This is like watching stinging satire.

Palestinian political prisoner Marwan Barghouti for president?

If Barghouti runs and wins the Palestinian election, he may well become Palestine’s Nelson Mandela.

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian politician Marwan Barghouti, who is seen as the leader of the First and Second Intifada, is serving five life sentences in an Israeli prison. His intention to run for president in the upcoming Palestinian elections has shaken the Palestinian political scene. If he runs and wins, as recent polls have suggested he might, his victory could reshape the Palestinian cause with great implications for the Israeli occupation.

Predictably, Barghouti is facing a stiff opposition from the octogenarian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is planning a rerun, and from his clique of loyalists in the Fatah party, who have been running the Palestinian Authority for over two decades.

 

[rylah]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why do Arabs fear revealing the Ottoman archive?

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

 

[rylah]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating stupid things without understanding them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

 

[rylah]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Ok, but does that refute what I say?
I've answered yours, didn't see you answer mine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Ok, but does that refute what I say?
I've answered yours, didn't see you answer mine.

What part of my response do you not understand?

 

[Hollie]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why do Arabs fear revealing the Ottoman archive?

The Pals were given Ottoman land records back in 2005. They did nothing with those because it actually refuted their case for ownership of land.

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

The PA had requested the records to support Palestinian land claims prior to British takeover.

www.haaretz.com

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

...

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

 

[rylah]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Ok, but does that refute what I say?
I've answered yours, didn't see you answer mine.

What part of my response do you not understand?

No I understand now perfectly - because you can't defend any of the nonesense you mindlessly repeat, or address the followup questions, everyone else is stupid, not you.

See, It takes me just 2 posts before gaslighting
becomes a BDS-hole's last line of defense.

If you believe facts are on your side,
why do all your arguments end with mere accusations,
but you can't actually address anything or string an original thought?

 

[Hollie]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Now that's pretty darn funny.

 

[rylah]

Remember how propaganda outlets and even the mainstream media tried to paint Gaza as some kind of progressive society, where women can be taxi drivers and gas station attendants?

We already saw a huge crack in that narrative when the female taxi driver was attacked.
Now the mainstream media has dealt another blow to the illusion they have been trying to maintain.


Hamas court says women need a male guardian’s approval to travel

ASSOCIATED PRESS
FEB. 15, 2021 UPDATED 12:40 PM PT
GAZA CITY —

A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel, further restricting movement in and out of the territory that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since the militant group seized power.

The rollback in women’s rights could spark a backlash in Gaza at a time when the Palestinians plan to hold elections later this year. It could also solidify Hamas’ support among its conservative base at a time when it faces criticism over living conditions in the territory it has ruled since 2007.

The decision by the Sharia Judicial Council, issued Sunday, says an unmarried woman may not travel without the permission of her “guardian,” which would usually refer to her father or another older male relative. Permission would need to be registered at the court.

Hamas court says women need a male guardian's approval to travel

A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel.

www.latimes.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations

Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.

I'm not clear that Arab-Moslem wars of aggression aimed at Israel would describe ''wealth and power shoveled in its direction''.

Maybe if you wrote a coherent comment?

Sure, since you know so little about Israel.

From the Rothschilds to little blue boxes, tax deductible "charity" donations, foreign aid, sweetheart corporate deals. Vetoes against everything Israel in the UN. After Israel kicked out the Palestinians stealing their land and everything else they wanted they went and robbed the banks.

Your ''stolen Pally land" slogan is a total hoot.

The following question has been posed to you more times than anyone can count with no response, but here goes; what sovereign Pally land was stolen?

Why do you post here when you know so little?

That information is all over the place. By 1947, the Jews had only bought 5-7% of Palestine. By 1948 they controlled 78%. How did that happen?

By vesting sovereignty with the Jewish nation in international law.
What you're conflating here is personal ownership with national sovereignty.
Till this day the Arabs make all sorts of threats and accusations referring to their supposed Ottoman deeds, but for some reason, they never dare to present them to make a precedent.

Why are Arabs afraid of revealing the Ottoman archive?

That ducks the question.

No, the question is addressed directly,
you just don't like the answer, but neither can refute.

So are you intentionally conflating personal ownership with national sovereignty,
or you're that stupid and just repeating the stupid things without understanding them?

You are ducking the question. Sovereignty can only be be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Ok, but does that refute what I say?
I've answered yours, didn't see you answer mine.

What part of my response do you not understand?

No I understand now perfectly - because you can't defend any of the nonesense you mindlessly repeat, or address the followup questions, everyone else is stupid, not you.

See, It takes me just 2 posts before gaslighting
becomes a BDS-hole's last line of defense.

If you believe facts are on your side,
why do all your arguments end with mere accusations,
but you can't actually address anything or string an original thought?

You still have not addressed the application of sovereignty.