Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Mindful, et al,

Good question. Do you think you'll get an answer?

What was it called when Jordan 'occupied' the WB?

(COMMENT)


Unification of the Two Banks

"On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion."

Called: "Constitutional Expansion of the Hashemite Kingdom" (AKA: Annexation). It was NOT Palestinian Territory but instead, Sovereign Jordanian Territory, without objection from the inhabitants.

Most Respectfully,
R

Annexing occupied territory is illegal. The world considered the West Bank as a trust territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are still confusing military control, i.e. occupation, with sovereignty. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

Well, that is a much trickier and more complex question than you let on. You seem to be implying that occupations are permanently PROHIBITED from acquiring sovereignty, and that is just not true. The truth, is "it depends". It depends, in part, on the status of the territory prior to the occupation. It depends, in part, on any treaties or agreements made by concerned Parties. It depends, in part, on the reasons for the occupation, its duration and extent.

A military attack by one State, which has a fully functioning government and is recognized as sovereign, against another State, which has a fully functioning government and is recognized as sovereign, and where there is a treaty delineating a border between the two and which results in the military occupation of one State over territory of another State would be very different from, say, a defensive attack by one State, which has a fully functioning government and is recognized as sovereign, against an ungoverned, unrecognized, hostile population on terra nullius.

If you begin the conversation with silly ideas like "Israel doesn't exist" and "Palestine has been a state since 1924", you are going to misunderstand international law quite a bit.

You seem to be implying that occupations are permanently PROHIBITED from acquiring sovereignty, and that is just not true.

They aren't?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, and this is where it gets tricky.

Adequate exercise of sovereignty must be peaceful, real, and continuous.

When was it ever peaceful?

(COMMENT)

Israel has implemented "annexation" only in a couple of cases, the best known are the Golan Heights, and a portion of Jerusalem. And in those two areas, it has been relatively peaceful.

But that is not a REAL issue, even among the many. In considering the discussion, the applicable REAL issue revolves around the Arab Palestinian demand that they are allowed to formalize their failed state that openly supports Jihadists, Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighter.

⟴ International situation, events and conditions evolve much faster than do the development of applicable laws. For instance, Resolutions 17, 18 and 19 of the 1974-77 Diplomatic Conference culminated in the in 1989 amendments to Annex I to Protocol I (Regulations concerning identification) finally adopted on 30 November 1993 and came into force on 1 March 1994. In total, that was a 20-year process. And the concepts behind what happens in the reality of the modern day political-military (POL-MIL) world are not hard and fast. The rules that nations adopt are not politically mutual suicide pacts. Most nations, most of the time, exercise those options that are in their own best interest.


Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has implemented "annexation" only in a couple of cases, the best known are the Golan Heights, and a portion of Jerusalem. And in those two areas, it has been relatively peaceful.

Is that why Israel is constantly whining about so called terrorist attacks?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

 

[USAF 2023]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas Hamideh, founder of Al-Awda, the Palestinian "right to return coalition" that wants to erase Israel, met with new member of Congress Rashida Tlaib:

(full article online)

Rashida Tlaib meets with terrorist supporter ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Do you have any proof of the contrary?

Que song and dance.
3
2
1

 

[USAF 2023]

Always playing the terrorist card.

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Do you have any proof of the contrary?

Que song and dance.
3
2
1

According to you, “ International Law” would create the “ Two State Solution “ and Israel is the one who’s isn’t abiding by it. Now, DANCE !!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is very easy to see that you have not met ONE Muslim terrorist, or terrorist supporter, you have not liked.

As long as they are all seeking the non existence of Israel, which you are 100% for, all is well.

Your heroes

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Do you have any proof of the contrary?

Que song and dance.
3
2
1

According to you, “ International Law” would create the “ Two State Solution “ and Israel is the one who’s isn’t abiding by it. Now, DANCE !!!

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Do you have any proof of the contrary?

Que song and dance.
3
2
1

According to you, “ International Law” would create the “ Two State Solution “ and Israel is the one who’s isn’t abiding by it. Now, DANCE !!!

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

You’re right..,, The U.N.

Israel's terrorist propaganda is a crock of crap.

You simply HATE the truth.
But....what else is new with you?

Nothing

He claims that annexing “ Occupied Territory” is Illegal? He always “ forgets” to mention that the International Community Formally recognized the W. Bank and E. Jerusalem as part of Jordan.
Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Since he cares so much about “ International Law” did you see his post reviewing Palestinians where they state that the ENTIRE region should be “ Palestine?”

Do you have any proof of the contrary?

Que song and dance.
3
2
1

According to you, “ International Law” would create the “ Two State Solution “ and Israel is the one who’s isn’t abiding by it. Now, DANCE !!!

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

You’re right..,, The U.N. Mandate doesn’t matter. Since you don’t recognize it I imagine we will not see those words anymore in your posts.
Show us please where “ International Law” allows for Israel’s destruction and their obvious plans to do just that. Since you don’t recognize it as being valid we can look forward to your posts claiming that Israel is the “ obstacle to peace” and they are breaking “ International law “.

 

[Shusha]

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

On the contrary, current principles of international law reject the denial of self-determination for peoples who seek it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hundred Years War (Divest This!) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are like a drunk driver, weaving all over the road. Humanity is not perfect. The history of Humanity is checkered to say the least. But at the end of the day, Israel is fighting for their piece of existence. The Arab's have 22 pieces of existence in their community (The Arab League); and one of that membership is predominately Palestinian in its citizenship (Jordan).

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(COMMENT)

The decision Processes are not perfect. In the Arab - Israeli Conflict there is one thing that we can observe as evidentiary in nature.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
• Justification of the current nature of the struggle to liberate Palestine, that is, the armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.
• Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate”​

The Arab Palestinian demonstrates every day that their first response to any dispute is "violence." There is no intent to engage in any peace effort. Violence is their first choice and not the last choice.

The adoption of this Arab Palestinian decision process illuminates the intent to exercise extreme criminal behaviors with lack of conscience and a total disregard for human life. This includes unarmed target of opportunity.

This is the legacy of the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ "P F Tinmore, et al,

That is absolutely correct. Just as there is NO legal requirement to establish an Arab State.

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

(COMMENT)

It is the explicit intent to create → in Palestine → a national home for the Jewish people; NOT a national home for the Arab Palestinians. The establish of "Trans-Jordania" (an Arab State) was a separately addressed issue the Emir.

The original intent did not preclude a whole host of possibilities, but it was only explicit in one objective. To that end, the issues of immigration and citizenship were addressed in regard to the Jewish People. Supplemental enhancements to further the principle intent was the development of self-governing institutions.

In 1923, the Arab Palestinians rejected for a third tome to participate in the establishment of institutions through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government and involved in the development of self-governance.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

BLUF: You are like a drunk driver, weaving all over the road.

This is in need of a serious upvote.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ "P F Tinmore, et al,

That is absolutely correct. Just as there is NO legal requirement to establish an Arab State.

There is no law requiring a two state solution.

(COMMENT)

It is the explicit intent to create → in Palestine → a national home for the Jewish people; NOT a national home for the Arab Palestinians. The establish of "Trans-Jordania" (an Arab State) was a separately addressed issue the Emir.

The original intent did not preclude a whole host of possibilities, but it was only explicit in one objective. To that end, the issues of immigration and citizenship were addressed in regard to the Jewish People. Supplemental enhancements to further the principle intent was the development of self-governing institutions.

In 1923, the Arab Palestinians rejected for a third tome to participate in the establishment of institutions through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government and involved in the development of self-governance.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, so what does that have to do with my post?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are like a drunk driver, weaving all over the road. Humanity is not perfect. The history of Humanity is checkered to say the least. But at the end of the day, Israel is fighting for their piece of existence. The Arab's have 22 pieces of existence in their community (The Arab League); and one of that membership is predominately Palestinian in its citizenship (Jordan).

_________________________________
​

(COMMENT)

The decision Processes are not perfect. In the Arab - Israeli Conflict there is one thing that we can observe as evidentiary in nature.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
• Justification of the current nature of the struggle to liberate Palestine, that is, the armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.
• Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate”​

The Arab Palestinian demonstrates every day that their first response to any dispute is "violence." There is no intent to engage in any peace effort. Violence is their first choice and not the last choice.

The adoption of this Arab Palestinian decision process illuminates the intent to exercise extreme criminal behaviors with lack of conscience and a total disregard for human life. This includes unarmed target of opportunity.

This is the legacy of the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinian demonstrates every day that their first response to any dispute is "violence."

What dispute?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are like a drunk driver, weaving all over the road. Humanity is not perfect. The history of Humanity is checkered to say the least. But at the end of the day, Israel is fighting for their piece of existence. The Arab's have 22 pieces of existence in their community (The Arab League); and one of that membership is predominately Palestinian in its citizenship (Jordan).

_________________________________
​

(COMMENT)

The decision Processes are not perfect. In the Arab - Israeli Conflict there is one thing that we can observe as evidentiary in nature.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
• Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
• Justification of the current nature of the struggle to liberate Palestine, that is, the armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.
• Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate”​

The Arab Palestinian demonstrates every day that their first response to any dispute is "violence." There is no intent to engage in any peace effort. Violence is their first choice and not the last choice.

The adoption of this Arab Palestinian decision process illuminates the intent to exercise extreme criminal behaviors with lack of conscience and a total disregard for human life. This includes unarmed target of opportunity.

This is the legacy of the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

Justification of the current nature of the struggle to liberate Palestine, that is, the armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.

Everybody struggling for their freedom are called terrorists by their occupiers.