Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

The San Remo decision mandated a "Jewish National Home," which is not the same thing as the "Jewish State." The evolution from the concept of a "National Home" to that of a "Jewish State" was a consequence of the irreconcilable differences and deadly political clashes between the two cultures.

Where do you get this shit. The Zionists wanted an exclusive Jewish state from day one.

Link?

Zionism emerged as a national movement in Eastern Europe in the 1880’s. Its founder, Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), a Hungarian Jew, dreamt of establishing a Jewish State in the land of Palestine, a dream which was to be realised through colonisation and land acquisition. According to Zionist archives, the leadership of early Zionism believed that the native population of Palestine, as a result of this colonisation, would simply “fold their tents and slip away” or, if they resisted, they would be “spirited across the borders”.

The Zionist Project - 1948

Lets not forget that this article you are posting comes from a "Palestinian" source. "Palestine and the Nakba" Really????

It is from the point of view of Muslim Arabs who cannot accept Jews having sovereignty over any part of the Jewish ancient homeland.

<<<". According to Zionist archives, the leadership of early Zionism believed that the native population of Palestine, as a result of this colonisation, would simply “fold their tents and slip away” or, if they resisted, they would be “spirited across the borders”.>>

Pure Muslim/Arab bullcrap. Jews did not come with an army against the non native Arab Muslims to send them out of the land. That is a fact which you and those who keep writing that garbage continue to want others to forget.
Nothing new about some Muslims or Christians twisting what may have been said by Jews to turn it against them.

Zionism is not something "invented" by Herzl in 1897 or any other year.

Jews always looked to return to Zion, Jerusalem, and be sovereign over the land again. There has always been the Zionist vision, except that it took until Herzl recognized how bad things were going to continue for Jews in Europe that he and others began to take action to become sovereign of their own ancient land again.

Read what you like. Continue to believe the Christian/Muslim lies about the Jews. Any lies.
Spin it anyway you like.

As I have posted on Balfour, some of the Muslims are going against their own Quran which is very specific about the Land belonging to the Jews.

It would have been much easier for the Arabs to claim any land for their own State, but that is not what the Al Husseini clan was about from the start. They followed a strict Muslim idea that Jews are to forever be dhimmies of Muslims.
No sovereignty, no rights. Always at the mercy of some of the Muslims.

Gratefully not all Muslims think that way.
Unfortunately they do not have the power to stop those in power and put an end to the hell they have brought to all other Arabs in the region, especially those who are forced to be seen under the umbrella of eternal refugees.

The leaders in power do not care about those other clans they have isolated to not have any rights, either.

And clearly neither do you and all of those who do believe any and all things written against Zionism and Israel.

What a shame !!!

 

[rylah]

The San Remo decision mandated a "Jewish National Home," which is not the same thing as the "Jewish State." The evolution from the concept of a "National Home" to that of a "Jewish State" was a consequence of the irreconcilable differences and deadly political clashes between the two cultures.

Where do you get this shit. The Zionists wanted an exclusive Jewish state from day one.

Link?

Zionism emerged as a national movement in Eastern Europe in the 1880’s. Its founder, Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), a Hungarian Jew, dreamt of establishing a Jewish State in the land of Palestine, a dream which was to be realised through colonisation and land acquisition. According to Zionist archives, the leadership of early Zionism believed that the native population of Palestine, as a result of this colonisation, would simply “fold their tents and slip away” or, if they resisted, they would be “spirited across the borders”.

The Zionist Project - 1948

Factually incorrect, You won't see in any of the hate sites You quote but:

1.Herzl was not the founder of Zionism.
2.Neither Syria-Palestine, Morocco or Gibraltar, are in Eastern Europe.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lets not forget that this article you are posting comes from a "Palestinian" source.

I know, if it is not from israelibullshit.il it is not a valid source.

 

[rylah]

The San Remo decision mandated a "Jewish National Home," which is not the same thing as the "Jewish State." The evolution from the concept of a "National Home" to that of a "Jewish State" was a consequence of the irreconcilable differences and deadly political clashes between the two cultures.

Where do you get this shit. The Zionists wanted an exclusive Jewish state from day one.

Q. Is that why Arabs used to expel and massacre Palestinian Jews before Zionism?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Danny Ayalon presents: A history of the Palestinian people

 

[Sixties Fan]

[THIS is a Palestinian]

Hanan Ashrawi, the PLO Executive Committee member much sought after by Western media outlets, has just earned a gold medal for historical revisionism.

In a recent article intended for an Arabic-speaking audience, she asserted there were no Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

Instead, according to her, there were only “emigrants,” who left their ancestral homes voluntarily. Jews were not singled out for persecution, and if they were, it was, in reality, a plot by “Zionists.”

This line of Palestinian argumentation is of a piece with other efforts to delegitimize Jewish history.

In other words, the Palestinian strategy, of which Ashrawi has been an integral part, is essentially to try to eliminate any grounds for Jewish self-determination and nationhood.

Which brings us to her preposterous claim that there were no Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

To get personal, according to Ashrawi, my wife’s life must be based on a lie.
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Think back to Yasser Arafat’s assertion to President Bill Clinton that there was never a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, seeking to make the insultingly bogus point that no Jewish connection to Jerusalem ever existed.

Or, more recently, to Arafat’s successor, Mahmoud Abbas, who spoke at the UN General Assembly last September.

He mentioned Christian and Muslim links to the land. Yet he pointedly omitted any reference to the Jewish tie, though it predates the other religions’ claims by thousands of years, and is buttressed by a Bible that both Christianity and Islam invoke, not to mention countless archaeological findings.

Or consider the Palestinian refusal to recognize the Jewish character of the State of Israel — and the broader efforts to question its very right to exist, despite the Balfour Declaration (1917), Treaty of San Remo (1920), League of Nations Mandate for Palestine (1922), Peel Commission (1936), UN Special Committee on Palestine (August 1947), UN General Assembly (November 1947), and UN membership since 1949.

Apropos, compare the legal and historical case for Israel as a sovereign state with those of several neighboring countries, including Iraq and Jordan. Quite a contrast!

(full article online)

Hanan Ashrawi Is to Truth What Smoking Is to Health | HuffPost

 

[rylah]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Will Palestinian Reconciliation Reduce Hamas’ Cash Flow? | Evelyn Gordon

 

[rylah]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

What happened when Egyptians made Muslims equal in taxation to Jews and Christians in Palestine?
Arab revolts...the fellahin pogroms.

How is it so that the Jews were not convinced by the Sharia version of "democracy" Arabs promoted with such love in Palestine, preposterous right?>

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep saying "Zionist" as if it represented the entire Jewish Culture and the only political position held by the Jewish People (that would be a misrepresentation of the facts).

At the time of Theodor Herzl death in 1904, the Zionist Movement (established as a political organization in 1897 by Herzl) was one faction (of several factions) within the overall Jewish Community that promoted nationalism. This was not so radically different from the development of "Arabism" and "Arabness" bubling up in the same tie period. BUT, the Zionist represented only a minority of Jews, mostly from Russia but led by Austrians (like Theodore Herzl) and Germans.

The wider view held by the Jewish → regarded assimilation as most desirable but, the wide-spread anti-Semitism of the era, trying to make the Jewish Culture and the Hebrew Language --- come to be accepted as just another accepted aspect of society and fully integrated. However, given the magnitude and scope of the hostility --- prejudice --- and --- discrimination against the Jewish Culture --- the ideas of nationalism and cultural assimilation were not considered all that viable; an aspiration --- yet an impossible realization.

While "Antisemitism" is generally an associate form of racism today; at the turn into the 20th Century --- racism as an unacceptable concept was largely ignored.

The San Remo decision mandated a "Jewish National Home," which is not the same thing as the "Jewish State." The evolution from the concept of a "National Home" to that of a "Jewish State" was a consequence of the irreconcilable differences and deadly political clashes between the two cultures.

Where do you get this shit. The Zionists wanted an exclusive Jewish state from day one.

(COMMENT)

At about the same time as the outbreak of hostilities, which was to open the doors to the Great War, there were there were two principle challenges to the status quo (replacing the void behind the Sultan Rule of the Ottoman Empire) emerging in the territories covered by the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916):

Not including in the complicated views the position and implications as the Holy Land of three great religions, the interest which it held for Christians, as well as for Moslems and Jews.

• Turkification (influenced by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk)
• Arabism (influence by the Anglo-Arab expectation of independence by Sherif Husain, Emir of Mecca)
• Zionism (influenced by the Balfour Declaration)

※ Pan-Arabism is a form of justification for racism against non-Arabs. It is code for cultural and ethnic superiority of Arabs. It is not quite the same as the Arabism of post-WWI.​

Nothing bout the Zionist Movement was any different from the activities of other post-War Considerations --- varies entities shaping the region. Exclusivity as an objective is no different in terms of its evolution:

√ Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day.
√ It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.
√ Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

How many times do you say Muslim when a Christian speaks?

 

[rylah]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

How many times do you say Muslim when a Christian speaks?

Ashrawi is a member of a Palestinian govt that declared Sharia Laws as "at the basis of all legislation".
She's representing a govt with an overwhelming Muslim majority and control.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

What happened when Egyptians made Muslims equal in taxation to Jews and Christians in Palestine?
Arab revolts...the fellahin pogroms.

How is it so that the Jews were not convinced by the Sharia version of "democracy" Arabs promoted with such love in Palestine, preposterous right?>

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

How many times do you say Muslim when a Christian speaks?

It is about her being an Arab.
About how some Arabs have this superiority complex over Jews based on the Jews not converting neither to Christianity nor Islam, and BOTH saying that EACH one has replaced Judaism.

Some Muslims are violent towards Jews.
Some Christians are violent towards Jews.

Ashwari wishes nothing good to ANY Jew.

Figure it out

 

[P F Tinmore]

At the time of Theodor Herzl death in 1904, the Zionist Movement (established as a political organization in 1897 by Herzl) was one faction (of several factions) within the overall Jewish Community that promoted nationalism. This was not so radically different from the development of "Arabism" and "Arabness" bubling up in the same tie period.

There is a huge difference. Arab nationalism was to be realized on Arab land. Zionist nationalism was to be realized on someone else's land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

How many times do you say Muslim when a Christian speaks?

Ashrawi is a member of a Palestinian govt that declared Sharia Laws as "at the basis of all legislation".
She's representing a govt with an overwhelming Muslim majority and control.

There are no laws in Palestine restricting religion.

 

[Sixties Fan]

At the time of Theodor Herzl death in 1904, the Zionist Movement (established as a political organization in 1897 by Herzl) was one faction (of several factions) within the overall Jewish Community that promoted nationalism. This was not so radically different from the development of "Arabism" and "Arabness" bubling up in the same tie period.

There is a huge difference. Arab nationalism was to be realized on Arab land. Zionist nationalism was to be realized on someone else's land.

LOL, Palestine is "ARAB LAND"
Like North Africa, Syria, Mesopotamia, Spain, Austria, etc which the Muslims invaded and conquered even if it was for a short period of time as the Greeks and Romans had done?

Like the Ottoman Turks who were the masters over all of that land for 500 years with not one cry coming from any Arab about it being "their land" ?

And STILL, the Quran, the very same one so many Arabs read on a daily basis, says very clearly that it is the Land of Israel and it does BELONG to the Jewish People.

Clearly you do not care about the wisdom of the Arab ancestors when it comes to whom the land belongs, and always will.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ahh.. usual al-Jazeerah talking points.

She too blames it all on Jews, but fails to mention Arab violence towards Jews before Zionism.

But, but, but......Muslims are the replacement to both Judaism and Christianity.

How can one blame Islam for not acknowledging Jewish rights, when Judaism can only exist under Islamic protection.

That is all Muslims wish to do and the Jews just don't understand it.

Muslims, especially Arabs, only want to Protect Jews.

From themselves.

How many times do you say Muslim when a Christian speaks?

Ashrawi is a member of a Palestinian govt that declared Sharia Laws as "at the basis of all legislation".
She's representing a govt with an overwhelming Muslim majority and control.

There are no laws in Palestine restricting religion.

Court Jester, you are on your prime today