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Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

Hollie

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Some disturbing behavior by "Peaceful Inner Strugglers" in Israel.





During and after this latest round of fighting between Israel and Hamas, the "Palestinian resistance group," classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, there were reports of riots and chaos in mixed cities in Israel like Acre and Haifa — cities where both Jewish and Arab Israelis live. But Tira, a town in the center of Israel, is an all-Arab town. And the teenagers causing a ruckus were Arab teenagers.

"Those were our kids, those were our people, our younger generation," said Fadila. "I felt the threat from within for the first time in my life."

This type of violence in Israel has skyrocketed in recent years. According to The Times Of Israel, there were 96 homicides in 2020, a 50 percent jump in the murder rate among Arab Israelis in four years. Even though Arab Israelis (most of whom are of Palestinian descent) account for 21% of the population in Israel, they accounted for 71% of the 125 homicides in 2019.
 

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  • The fact that a large number of Palestinians are desperate to work in Israel is a sign of the failure of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to improve the living conditions of their people despite the massive sums of money they receive from various sources, including the United States, European Union and United Nations.
  • Instead of holding Hamas responsible for what he called the "tragedy" in the Gaza Strip, al-Amsi and other Palestinians choose to blame Israel.
  • This view is in keeping with the longstanding habit of the Palestinian leadership to evade their responsibility for thievery and non-governance by blaming Israel for everything.
  • Many Palestinians and Arabs, however, are no longer buying this nonsense and know exactly who is trying to help and who has not done a thing to end their suffering.
  • "Thousands of Palestinians, including those with [academic] degrees, are fighting for a job in Israel. I guarantee you that if Israel announced that it wants workers from Algeria, they would cross the Sahara [Desert] on foot to work in Israel to escape the hell they are living in at home." — Hoda Jannat, Syrian journalist and political analyst, Twitter, October 7, 2021.

 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: General Question
⁜→ Hollie, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I have to agree with you. The Arab Palestinians are showing their true colors here. And they are not evolving either morally, politically, diplomatically, or otherwise.


Jerusalem Post said:
Adopted in 2002, the Arab Peace Initiative calls for normalizing relations between the Arab world and Israel in exchange for a full withdrawal by Israel to the pre-1967 armistice lines, a “just settlement” of the Palestinian refugee issue based on UN Resolution 194 and the establishment of a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital.

The Palestinian Authority has accused the UAE of violating the terms of the Arab Peace Initiative by agreeing to normalize relations with Israel in exchange for nothing.
SOURCE: Article - By KHALED ABU TOAMEH SEPTEMBER 6, 2020

While the article is over a year old, it still is accurate in its unproductive demands. The Arab Palestinians (in my opinion) simply do not grasp the reality and intention of the International Agreements.

The "pre-1967 Armistice Lines were a product generated between Israel and Jordan. And that agreement dissolved in 1994 when the ◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) • went into effect. And the UN Resolution A/RES/194 (III) was never a binding arrangement on any UN Member and it was never made into law. The essence of A/RES/194 (III) was incorporated into the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) which went into effect in 1976.


Article 12

1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

Article 12(3 and 4) of the CCPR essentially rules out nearly the entire Arab Palestinian population.
Only about 3.62% of the Arab Palestinian population (male 48,387/female 56,650) (2020 est.) are over the age of 65. And a huge number of Arab Palestinians approve of either The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) or the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). And both the HAMAS and PLO maintain a policy that there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad → or → Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

"Pallys Complain''
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The Palestinians are enraged that the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain are attempting to block their resolution, to be voted on at the upcoming Arab League meeting, that condemns the UAE’s “normalization” of relations with Israel. The story is here.
(COMMENT)

Hollie! I think you are right on the money. I have to agree that the Arab Palestinians are attempting to obstruct the establishment of Peace rather than start something new in the way of Peace.

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4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
Good point. One's own country is determined by territory not by name. If a territory falls under new rule, the people who normally live there become nationals of the new state.

This means that all of the Palestinians who lived in the territory that is now Israel became Israelis.
 

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  • The fact that a large number of Palestinians are desperate to work in Israel is a sign of the failure of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to improve the living conditions of their people despite the massive sums of money they receive from various sources, including the United States, European Union and United Nations.
  • Instead of holding Hamas responsible for what he called the "tragedy" in the Gaza Strip, al-Amsi and other Palestinians choose to blame Israel.
  • This view is in keeping with the longstanding habit of the Palestinian leadership to evade their responsibility for thievery and non-governance by blaming Israel for everything.
  • Many Palestinians and Arabs, however, are no longer buying this nonsense and know exactly who is trying to help and who has not done a thing to end their suffering.
  • "Thousands of Palestinians, including those with [academic] degrees, are fighting for a job in Israel. I guarantee you that if Israel announced that it wants workers from Algeria, they would cross the Sahara [Desert] on foot to work in Israel to escape the hell they are living in at home." — Hoda Jannat, Syrian journalist and political analyst, Twitter, October 7, 2021.

Load of hooey. Israel has stolen, bombed, or bulldozed many areas of Palestinian employment. Israel is one of the few places left to work.
 

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Load of hooey. Israel has stolen, bombed, or bulldozed many areas of Palestinian employment. Israel is one of the few places left to work.

Not enough Hamas war-crime rockets to build?

Terror tunnel digging slowed down?
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
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BLUF: It is very simple. The Arab Palestinians do not want peace because they can use the conflict to extort donations from the member nations.

This means that all of the Palestinians who lived in the territory that is now Israel became Israelis.
(COMMENT)

Again, only 3%+ of the Arab Palestinian population could possibly fall into that category. And many of them might be ruled out if they supported HAMAS or the PLO.

I'm not entirely sure which direction the Israelis will take on the matter of those issues subject to the Permanent Status of Negotiations. I'm not sure that it has occupied much Israeli thought in the last four years. The Arab Palestinians have not shown any inclination to pursue that avenue. To the Arab Palestinian, the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States merely kindling for Jihad and Armed Struggle which they want the world to think they have some right to as an alternative to the peaceful dispute resolution process.

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: It is very simple. The Arab Palestinians do not want peace because they can use the conflict to extort donations from the member nations.


(COMMENT)

Again, only 3%+ of the Arab Palestinian population could possibly fall into that category. And many of them might be ruled out if they supported HAMAS or the PLO.

I'm not entirely sure which direction the Israelis will take on the matter of those issues subject to the Permanent Status of Negotiations. I'm not sure that it has occupied much Israeli thought in the last four years. The Arab Palestinians have not shown any inclination to pursue that avenue. To the Arab Palestinian, the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States merely kindling for Jihad and Armed Struggle which they want the world to think they have some right to as an alternative to the peaceful dispute resolution process.
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R
Why are the Palestinian required to negotiate their rights?
 

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Good point. One's own country is determined by territory not by name. If a territory falls under new rule, the people who normally live there become nationals of the new state.

This means that all of the Palestinians who lived in the territory that is now Israel became Israelis.
If one's own country is determined by territory, can you identify the country of the "Bible Belt"? How about the "country of Appalachia".
 

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Why are the Palestinian required to negotiate their rights?
The Pally terrorists "right" to kill every Jew and colonize their land is not a negotiable right from the Israeli viewpoint.

Islamic terrorism is not a "right"
 

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I'm thinking I should forward the link below to the PA and Hamas. They're literally swimming in welfare cash while Pally Arabs in Lebanon are living under Apartheid conditions.

Are there no youtube videos addressing Arab-Moslem Apartheid in Lebanon?


Those poor, oppressed Pallys.




Aid workers say that part of the problem is that the rights of 400,000 Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon are restricted. They are not allowed to own land and they are legally barred from many of the country's best paid jobs.
 

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Not sure why it took a "bipartisan group" so long to understand that the Islamic terrorist franchise trading as Hamas is not comprised of separate entities.



Bipartisan inquiry urges government to consider listing all of Hamas as terror group

A Bipartisan inquiry urges government to consider listing all of Hamas as terror group

By Anthony Galloway

October 14, 2021 — 2.57pm

A bipartisan inquiry has urged the federal government to list all of Islamist group Hamas as a terrorist organisation after finding its military wing cannot be separated from its political arm.

The powerful intelligence and security committee said the government, which already lists the military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, as a terrorist entity, should consider expanding the definition to the whole group.
 

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Kids regularly echo what adults are saying, and so too in Palestinian society. Since the establishment of the PA, Palestinians have been told that since “Palestine” stretches “from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River,” Israel has no right to exist in any borders. Therefore, it was only natural that a girl from Gaza recited a poem on official PA TV saying Palestinians are the “owners of the land” “from the sea to the river”:

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The Ad Kan group, dedicated to exposing NGOs and countries that labor to alter Israel’s identity and values, as well as the activities of the Palestinian Authority and the European Union in Area C, on Thursday revealed the deep intrusion of the PA intelligence service into Israel’s Defense Ministry’s Civil Administration in Judea and Samaria.

This week, the PA’s preventive security forces once again arrested Nidal al-Atari, a Palestinian Authority citizen who serves as the lands inspector in the Israeli Civil Administration. Al-Atari was interrogated and remains in custody. During his previous detention, he was kept in jail for more than half a year.

The PA controls additional Arabs within the Civil Administration

It should be noted that in addition to al-Atari, there are other Palestinian employees in similar positions in the Civil Administration, who are controlled by the PA’s security organizations.

Ad Kan Director-General Gilad Ach concluded his group’s report with the statement:

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Lamis Deek Speech at Brooklyn Protest Demanding NY State AG James Regarding US Settler Organizations​


 

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Lamis Deek Speech at Brooklyn Protest Demanding NY State AG James Regarding US Settler Organizations​


( What an absolutely hateful, ugly human being Miss Deek is.

Any terrorist is ok with her.

She wants Israel destroyed. Amazing how many Arabs have been brainwashed to forget that Arabia is their Indigenous home, and not "Palestine".

Does she care about Palestinians in Lebanon or Syria, or elsewhere to help them, boycott those countries?

Of course not. )

 

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It seems that Israeli defense forces have had reason to be especially vigilant of the islamic terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank. Recent anti gee-had ops seems to show active planning for attacks aimed at Israel. It will be interesting to see if preemptive air strikes are used to erase the threat.




Hamas will not hesitate to start another war with Israel - analysis
By ANNA AHRONHEIM SEPTEMBER 28, 2021 22:11


Palestinian members of the Hamas' security forces perform during their graduation ceremony in Gaza City, on September 16, 2021. 340 security personnel completed their education and are ready to work at Palestinian Ministry of Interior and National Security.

Sunday's IDF operation dismantled a terror initiative that had damage potential similar to the Second Intifada, making Hamas's intention crystal clear.

The arrest operation on Sunday targeting a dangerous Hamas cell in the West Bank not only stopped a ticking time bomb but showed just how serious the terrorist group is.
 
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