Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

They were but they did not say what was asked.

I'm afraid this is just more spam. This seems to be a pattern.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm afraid this is just more spam. This seems to be a pattern.

Indeed, a whole page of stuff that does not address my post.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, a whole page of stuff that does not address my post.

Indeed, you're choosing to spam the thread with that same excuse you use as one of several slogans:

"how does that address my post?"

"Israeli propaganda bullshit"

Can you add to your list?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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They were but they did not say what was asked.

(COMMENT)

They outlined exactly what you asked for.

You just did not like the answer because it blows holes in your argument.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

They outlined exactly what you asked for.

You just did not like the answer because it blows holes in your argument.


Most Respectfully,
R

This was the post in question.

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

Where does it say that one country (Israel or any other nation) cannot control its borders? Armistice lines are not borders.

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[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

One of these is a question, and one of these is a statement.

This was the post in question.

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

Where does it say that one country (Israel or any other nation) cannot control its borders? Armistice lines are not borders.

www.usmessageboard.com

(COMMENT)

Where does it say that one country (Israel or any other nation) cannot control its borders? It was actually MY question to YOU. It came from Posting #20520 (This Thread). Your source attribution leaves somewhat to be desired. Let's make it clear, I answered your question.

On the Matter of your statement, that is not "generally true." It depends on the agreement.

◈ The Syrian Agreement says: "Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line" with some clarification.​

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◈ The Lebanese Agreement says "The Armistice Demarcation Line should follow the international boundary between Lebanon and Palestine."​

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◈ The Egyptian Agreement states: "The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question."​

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◈ The Jordanian Agreement says: "The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto."​

I give you only partial credit. However, the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Egypt have been superceded by Treaties. So they only represent historical value. The Lebanese Agreement has been superseded by the Ltr of A/54/914 • S/2000/564 12 June 2000 To some extent, the Lebanese Agreement still has some life in it. The Agreement "shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties."

It is what it is.


Most Respectfully,
R

•. Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement
•. HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
• LEBANESE-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
•. EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

One of these is a question, and one of these is a statement.


(COMMENT)

Where does it say that one country (Israel or any other nation) cannot control its borders? It was actually MY question to YOU. It came from Posting #20520 (This Thread). Your source attribution leaves somewhat to be desired. Let's make it clear, I answered your question.

On the Matter of your statement, that is not "generally true." It depends on the agreement.

◈ The Syrian Agreement says: "Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line" with some clarification.​

​

◈ The Lebanese Agreement says "The Armistice Demarcation Line should follow the international boundary between Lebanon and Palestine."​

​

◈ The Egyptian Agreement states: "The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question."​

​

◈ The Jordanian Agreement says: "The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto."​

I give you only partial credit. However, the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Egypt have been superceded by Treaties. So they only represent historical value. The Lebanese Agreement has been superseded by the Ltr of A/54/914 • S/2000/564 12 June 2000 To some extent, the Lebanese Agreement still has some life in it. The Agreement "shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties."

It is what it is.


Most Respectfully,
R

•. Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement
•. HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
• LEBANESE-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
•. EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT

One thing that the Armistice Agreements tell us is that the armistice lines did not disturb Palestine's international borders. They remained intact as of 1949.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One thing that the Armistice Agreements tell us is that the armistice lines did not disturb Palestine's international borders. They remained intact as of 1949.

None of the agreements were signed by Palestinians.

 

[Hollie]

One thing that the Armistice Agreements tell us is that the armistice lines did not disturb Palestine's international borders. They remained intact as of 1949.

Are those the borders created by the Treaty of Lausanne which, as we know, invented the ''country of Pal'istan''.

You never did identify those ''new states'' you claim were also invented. What ''new states'' would those be? Do they still exist?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, that is NOT true at all.

One thing that the Armistice Agreements tell us is that the armistice lines did not disturb Palestine's international borders.

(COMMENT)

1. With the possible exception of the Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, the other three Armistice Agreements have been totally superceded.

2. The boundaries given in the treaties/agreements were pertaining to the "Legal Entity" - Government of Palestine, not any territory that the Arab Palestinians can lay claim. These boundaries pertain to the territories under a Mandate.

3. There were no post-War boundaries to the territory under Mandate called Palestine until formalized by the French-British Convention and the agreement under the same name. (Registry No 564 and 565). The boundaries currently are a border outlined by physical markers or geographic features that establish sovereign control by that state marking its territory. In the case of Israel, its borders are marked and maintained by the self-determination of its people. In the case of Israel, the international borders are stated by treaties or the boundary established by the will of the people.

They remained intact as of 1949.

(COMMENT)

Much has happened between the period 1949 and today. In the case of Israel, the boundaries outline by the Armistice Agreements have evolved over time.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Much has happened between the period 1949 and today. In the case of Israel, the boundaries outline by the Armistice Agreements have evolved over time.

Boundaries evolve?

Links?

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the case of Israel, its borders are marked and maintained by the self-determination of its people.

Links?

 

[Hollie]

Boundaries evolve?

Links?

Mapped: The Territorial Evolution of the U.S.

From the Thirteen Colonies to present-day USA, this animation is a detailed look at how borders have shifted throughout the nation's history.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Link?

 

[Hollie]

Links?

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

Link?

 

[Hollie]

UNWRA chief acknowledges antisemitism and glorification of terrorism in Palestinian textbooks

The head of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), Philippe Lazzarini, acknowledged that Palestinian textbooks contain problematic material, while still insisting that the agency takes steps to prevent it from being taught, without showing...

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The head of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), Philippe Lazzarini, acknowledged that Palestinian textbooks contain problematic material, while still insisting that the agency takes steps to prevent it from being taught, without showing that how this is actually accomplished, writes Yossi Lempkowicz.

That's all fine and dandy, Philippe, but we were told that UNRWA was an islamic terrorist training organization years ago. You people have done nothing since then?

Gee whiz. It's like you're a bunch of dishonest hacks / Islamic terrorist enablers.... or something.

https://www.congress.gov/115/meeting/house/105508/documents/HHRG-115-FA13-20170202-SD001.pdf

 

[Hollie]

Unfortunately, Joe Biden wants to throw US welfare dollars at the islamic terrorists understanding that large percentages of that welfare directly benefits the various islamic terrorist franchises.

By Renewing Palestinian Aid, America Is Funding Terrorism - JINSA

Capt. Taylor Force was an Eagle Scout, a West Point graduate who served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and an all-around terrific young man. In 2016, on a university study trip to Israel, he was murdered by a Palestinian… Read more ›

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Fortunately, bipartisan support coalesced to re-align misguided U.S. policy. In 2018, the Taylor Force Act became law, prohibiting American economic assistance which “directly benefits the Palestinian Authority” as long as the PA continues to pay financial rewards for terrorism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How many of his neighbors were launching terror rockets at Israel?

 

[Hollie]

The obvious question is, ''why''?

Palestine urges US to remove PLO from terror list

Palestinian PM calls on Biden to expedite reopening of US Consulate in East Jerusalem - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Palestinian Prime Minister Muhammad Shtayyeh has called on the US administration to remove the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from its list of terrorist organizations.

The call came during a meeting between Shtayyeh and a delegation from the US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee representing the Democratic Party in the West Bank city of Ramallah, according to a statement issued by the Palestinian cabinet.