Who are the Israelis?

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Rabbi Yosef Messas | Uncompromising Zionism in North Africa​

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Rabbi Yosef Messas | Zionism in 18th century Morocco - Part 2​

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Being ignorant is one thing, but taking pride in ignorance is another.

Modern- Zionism emerged in mid 19th century Morocco,
with Jewish leaders such as Rabbi Hayyim ben-Attar,
and through his grandson Rabbi Yehudah Bibas,
all the way to Herzl's grandfather.

Do you think you know anything
about the history and this war?

Judah Bibas - Proto-Zionist of Hebron

Rabbi Bibas was a pillar of the Hebron community and a pioneer in the repatriation of Jews in Israel.

en.hebron.org.il

Even if we accept the claim "Modern- Zionism emerged in mid 19th century Morocco" - which I do not, that does not support your earlier claim "...about Jewish organization to re-constitute independence in the land prior to modern Zionism" does it? If Zionism began in Morocco then it didn't begin in Palestine which is what I've been telling you for days now.

Zionism did not emerge from the Jewish community in Palestine, it reflects the desires of a few Jews living OUTSIDE of Palestine, not Jewish communities already dwelling in Palestine for centuries. Those Jew did not seek to form a nationalist Jewish state with a Jewish government.

You cannot decouple Zionism and sentimental aspirations to relocate to Palestine from the history of Jews in Europe and beyond nor can you characterize Zionism as being a reaction to purported Arab antisemitism and persecution.

You've yet to explain the obvious flaw here too, why would a people suffering persecution and antisemitism in Europe choose to move to Palestine where (you claim) Jews were experiencing persecution and antisemitism?

This is all propaganda, part of the Zionist lie that Arabs/Palestinians are the historic enemy of Jews and that long suffering Israel is a victim of this to this day. The truth is that the colonial powers in cahoots with nationalist Jews living mainly outside of Palestine, planned to manufacture a fake Jewish country having a Jewish government on already occupied land and ethnically cleanse those who were already dwelling there and name it "Israel".

In so doing they also made bitter enemies of those they ethnically cleansed as well as neighboring states. Israel has magnified antisemitism a million fold by doing what they did and are doing today and it is beyond arrogant to perpetually blame this on everyone but themselves.

Antisemitism is unjustified and irrational hatred of Jews, so there's nothing antisemitic about today's Palestinian and Arab hostility because their hatred of Zionist Israel it is both justified and rational nothing to do with antisemitism at all.

After the fall of the Ottomans such a hair brained scheme became feasible.

 

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Even if we accept the claim "Modern- Zionism emerged in mid 19th century Morocco" - which I do not, that does not support your earlier claim "...about Jewish organization to re-constitute independence in the land prior to modern Zionism" does it? If Zionism began in Morocco then it didn't begin in Palestine which is what I've been telling you for days now.

Zionism did not emerge from the Jewish community in Palestine, it reflects the desires of Jews living OUTSIDE of Palestine, not Jewish communities already dwelling in Palestine for centuries. Those Jew did not seek to form a nationalist Jewish state with a Jewish government.

You cannot decouple Zionism and aspirations to relocate to Palestine from the history of Jews in Europe and beyond nor can you characterize Zionism as being a reaction to purported Arab antisemitism and persecution.

You've yet to explain the obvious flaw here too, why would a people suffering persecution in Europe choose to move to Palestine where (you claim) Jews were experiencing persecution and antisemitism?

This is all propaganda, part of the Zionist lie that Arabs/Palestinians are the historic enemy of Jews and that Israel is a victim of this to this day. The truth is that the colonial powers in cahoots with nationalist Jews living mainly outside of Palestine, planned to manufacture a fake Jewish country on already occupied land and ethnically cleanse those who were already dwelling there and name it "Israel".

After the fall of the Ottomans such a hair brained scheme became feasible.

Contradicts nothing.

There were several attempts to re-constitute Jewish sovereignty,
prior to modern Zionism of the late 19th century, mainly the Galilee.

From Nahmanides, and Dona Nasi rebuilding Tiberias,
to the Farhi brothers taking over Akko from the Turks,
and the Damascus affair following Arab pogroms
with the expulsion from the 4 holy cities -
all essentially initiated modern Zionism,
it was the local Jewish community.

However it's always fascinating how Edward Said's clones
bring up the Holocaust, and the Inquisition to brag
about their "egalitarian tolerance"...

The Gadol of Gaza: Rabbi Yisrael Najara – World Mizrachi

Odelia Glausiusz

mizrachi.org

 

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Those words do have different meanings though and pretending they all mean "kill all Jews" isn't something I can condone if we're being honest here. The information I have found (and shared) so far shows two translations "exterminate" and "eliminate" I have no idea which is closer to the Arabic as written in the Egyptian newspaper and until I do, I cannot truly perceive the meaning.

You speak as if this were some kind of war of liberation of Palestinian Jews under a Muslim yoke but we both know that was not the case. Jews in Palestine prior to Zionism never collectively organized with a view to nationalism. The vast majority had never even heard of Zionism and most of those who had wanted nothing to do with it.

Zionism emerged among European secular Jews, motivated by antisemitism in Europe not because of some perceived persecution of Jews by Arabs in Palestine. Zionism with British support turned its attention to Palestine, it was an external foreign ideology that eventually became imposed upon all Jews in Palestine, as you (should) know Zionist organizations in Palestine during the 1920s and 1930s even persecuted non-Zionist Jews, if you want to see the evidence just ask.

So there's no evidence for the claim of Arabs seeking to "eliminate" Jews in any sense until after Zionism was imported and began to mutate in Palestine and develop into the radical nationalism that has come to characterize it.

Also think on this, if there was a basis to the claim, if the "Arabs" had treated Jews in the way you imply, then why would Jews seek to move there en-masse and have done so multiple times? why escape the vicious Nazis who now stood defeated and and run into the hand of the vicious Arabs? why escape Germany after the death of the Third Reich and move to a region where one is literally surrounded by Muslims? It doesn't make any sense because there's no truth to it.

Jews did not move to Palestine because of some attraction to Zionist ideology, they moved there to escape persecution in Europe as they had done many times before in the past.

Arab hostility was hostility to an imported fanatical Jewish nationalism (which records show, even mirrored aspects of Nazism) not Jews, just as the hostility toward the Third Reich was not hostility to Germans.



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Source: Wikipedia

See? it is largely a by-product of Christianity in Europe, not Islam in the Middle East. Perversely Zionists now call Germany a "friend" yet that nation was the location of arguably the greatest mass extermination campaign in recorded history.

Most Israelis are refugees from MENA.

Sheikh Jarrah was built by people
coming by foot from Yemen
and Iraq, Arabs took over
only in 1948 more than
half a century later.

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The Millennials Behind the Mizrahi Project​

Meet Raj Nair, Film Director; Dan Ostrem, Documentarian; Joshua David Washington, Original Score Composer; Paul Tellefsen, Web Designer; and Loraleah Feley, Web Content Writer - the 20 and 30 somethings who are helping tell the world about the Jewish refugees of North Africa & the Middle East.

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Contradicts nothing.

There were several attempts to re-constitute Jewish sovereignty,
prior to modern Zionism of the late 19th century, mainly the Galilee.

From Nahmanides, and Dona Nasi rebuilding Tiberias,
to the Farhi brothers taking over Akko from the Turks,
and the Damascus affair following Arab pogroms
with the expulsion from the 4 holy cities -
all essentially initiated modern Zionism,
it was the local Jewish community.

However it's always fascinating how Edward Said's clones
bring up the Holocaust, and the Inquisition to brag
about their "egalitarian tolerance"...

The Gadol of Gaza: Rabbi Yisrael Najara – World Mizrachi

Odelia Glausiusz

mizrachi.org

Please share the highlights, I have no intention of spending an hour listening to something I might already agree with.

Share the highlights and please indicate the relevance to the discussion we've been having.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Most Israelis are refugees from MENA.

Sheikh Jarrah was built by people
coming by foot from Yemen
and Iraq, Arabs took over
only in 1948 more than
half a century later.

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Again, what are the key points here?

Also you claimed "Most Israelis are refugees from MENA" can you provide any sources for this?

I'm aware that lots of Jews left Yemen, Turkey and so on AFTER 1948, the Israeli ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians created a great deal of bad feeling among many Arabs but also the fact that Israel now existed and promised any and every Jew the unconditional right to live there as the superior race and build settlements on stolen land, was obviously also a motivating factor.

 

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[Deadstick]

After the war it would have made more sense for the jews to be given a part of Germany for their Zionist State.

 

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"From the River to the Sea": The Quad VS. the Squad​

The Quad (Emily Schrader, Fleur Hassan-Nahoum, Viviane Bercovici and Ashira Solomon) discuss the current arguments of what "From the River to the Sea" means and Rashida Tlaib's claim that it is a call for freedom.

The women take on each member of the progressive Democrat Squad and deal with the downright absurd takes on the current war.

Plus an interview with Dalia Al-Aqidi, US Congressional Candidate running against Ilhan Omar and of course, the scumbags and heroes of the week!

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Gaza's Jewish History - Hebrew Love Poetry​

Ydidi Ro'i Mekimi is a poem composed by Rabbi Yisrael Nagarah (1555 Safed - 1628 Gaza). The piyyut expresses the longing of the Jewish people in exile to their G-d as a flock that yearns for the guiding and supportive hand of the shepherd and for redemption.

Rabbi Yisrael Nagara was the rabbi of Gaza, buried there in an ancient Jewish cemetery, considered one of the greatest Hebrew poets of all times.

My beloved shepherd who raises me up
From being run over people of vanity

Tell me now, to whom have You abandoned a few of the herd
Return to gather Your remote, for they are seed of Your beloved

And see the peace of Your brothers and the peace of the flock

Graze me in the beautiful grass, give pasture over all the blessings
By Your hand, gather the lamb, and carry the young of the herd

Say please my redeemer my rescue, till when is my injustice
Govern me, graze me, the Shepherd of my vanity
And Abel (vanity) was a shepherd

Gather thousands, cover them and rescue them
From the hand of the hater, hasten the redeemer

Also the herd shall pass, and build the Temple and the Hall
And send the messenger of Israel, to say "redeemer came to Zion"
Rachel (ewe) comes with the flock

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Gaza’s rich Jewish history and destiny - opinion

It is perhaps due to the Jewish people’s deep roots in Gaza that despite having been expelled from the Strip seven times over the past 2,000 years, they always sought to return.

www.jpost.com

 

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YONATI ZIV - Traditional Indian-Jewish Song Written By Rabbi Israel Najjara, ​

The Chief Rabbi of Gaza​

India supplying rockets and UAVs to Israel - report

en.globes.co.il

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

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She refers to "American Israeli [military] collaboration" and that is the proof, Israel is a proxy of the United States, admittedly a temperamental and stubborn proxy but still a proxy, Israel fits the accepted definition too of a terrorist state.

The United States has a long history of collaborating with and supporting rogue states, Israel is just one of the more prominent. I know of not one example where the US has been a benevolent player in this game - by all means suggest one.

Here's a random list of terrorist and rogue actors that the US has assisted militarily

KLA in Kosovo 1999
Iraq 1980s Iran/Iraq war
Indonesia - Invasion of East Timor 1975
Multiple terrorist actors in South America (Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Chile) used to create terror and stifle democracy.

 

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Please share the highlights, I have no intention of spending an hour listening to something I might already agree with.

Share the highlights and please indicate the relevance to the discussion we've been having.

Again, what are the key points here?

Also you claimed "Most Israelis are refugees from MENA" can you provide any sources for this?

I'm aware that lots of Jews left Yemen, Turkey and so on AFTER 1948, the Israeli ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians created a great deal of bad feeling among many Arabs but also the fact that Israel now existed and promised any and every Jew the unconditional right to live there as the superior race and build settlements on stolen land, was obviously also a motivating factor.

Intellectually lazy AND reassured you can lecture on the topic?

Must be one of those Nobel nominated "Harvards".

She refers to "American Israeli [military] collaboration" and that is the proof, Israel is a proxy of the United States, admittedly a temperamental and stubborn proxy but still a proxy, Israel fits the accepted definition too of a terrorist state.

The United States has a long history of collaborating with and supporting rogue states, Israel is just one of the more prominent. I know of not one example where the US has been a benevolent player in this game - by all means suggest one.

Here's a random list of terrorist and rogue actors that the US has assisted militarily

KLA in Kosovo 1999
Iraq 1980s Iran/Iraq war
Indonesia - Invasion of East Timor 1975
Multiple terrorist actors in South America (Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Chile) used to create terror and stifle democracy.

That position explains your other gibberish.

There's a difference between a proxy ally
and a Banana republic, which is a great
miscalculation of the radical Left,
among many in this war.

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'HARBUDARBU'
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Biden doesn't want You to hear this

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How the Left lost the Israeli voter

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[Sherlock Holmes]

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Victim, victim, victim, lets use European antisemitism and a European Holocaust and Arab fears of being ethnically cleansed (which they later were) to serve as a "justification" for acting like a reincarnation of the Third Reich.

 

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JERUSALEM TODAY! Experience the Heartbeat of the Holy City!​

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Temple Mount Update | SHAVUA TOV & CHODESH TOV FROM THE TEMPLE MOUNT!




GETTING READY: FIRST THE RED HEIFER, AND NOW - THE TEMPLE INSTITUTE IS LOOKING FOR A COMPOSER!​

The Temple Institute has published a call in search of a composer to compose melodies for the singing of the "Shir Shel Yom," the specific psalms sung by the Levitical choir on weekdays and on Shabbat and holidays in the courtyard of the Holy Temple. The Institute promises a modest financial reward to the composer with the hope of performing the winning tune in the future rebuilt Temple.

Some 40 years ago, Rabbi Ariel founded the Temple Institute, and since that time the Institute has been engaged in raising awareness of the Holy Temple among the public in Israel and throughout the world. Among the well known innovations of the Temple Institute are the restoration of the Temple vessels and their public exhibition in the Old City of Jerusalem, importing red heifers from abroad, under the supervision of Rabbi Azaria Ariel, the son of the Institute's founder, in cooperation with other rabbis trained in the laws of the red heifer.
Many generations of school children and Yeshiva students have passed through the Temple Institute and seen with their own eyes the Temple vessels in their true size and shape as they were at the time of the Holy Temple.

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Currently the Temple Institute is focusing on its latest project, the establishment of the Levitical Choir, preparing for the musical aspect, essential to the service In the Holy Temple. Having already mastered the singing of the Hallel psalms of praise, the Temple Institute is appealing to music composers throughout Israel to write appropriate melodies for the "song of the day" psalms - the daily psalm sung by the Levitical Choir during the daily service of the Holy Temple, while standing upon the duchan raised platform in the innermost courtyard of the Holy Temple.
The compositions will be examined by a special committee.

In the ad published by the Institute, it is written that they are inviting musical composers to take part in the revival of the Levitical song and to compose the hymns to be performed by the Levitical Choir. The Institute clarifies that the compositions will be examined by a special committee which will select the appropriate melody and award the composer a modest monetary award.

The Temple Institute also left precise instructions for the composer. For example, not to repeat words, to be careful with the correct pronunciation of the words, and also, that the melody should be divided into three parts to allow for a trumpet blast at the end of each section.
The Temple Institute is also looking for Levites for the fulfilling various tasks in the Holy Temple.
The Temple Institute established a school for Levites where the Levites learn to sing the songs sung by the Levites in the Temple.

Once every two weeks, on Friday, dozens of Levites from all over the country gather regularly at Petach Tikva for rehearsals of the songs to be sung in the future Temple. To this end, renowned music directors of the first rank were recruited who teach the Levites voice development, complex and harmonic singing, new arrangements of the songs are being written, and in the next stage they will also write new melodies, all this alongside the orchestra consisting of many musicians who work hard to learn and practice the accompaniment of the Levites' singing with natural musical instruments.

Reminding all that about a year and a half ago after the arrival of red heifers from abroad to Israel, Rabbi Azaria Ariel of the Temple Institute was interviewed by "Kippa News" and reassured, "The Temple Institute believes in patience, my father founded the institute in 1984 and it has been active for forty years. Let it be understood that we are not standing with a stopwatch in our hand."

מתכוננים: אחרי הפרה האדומה - במכון המקדש מחפשים מלחין - כיפה

במכון המקדש פרסמו קול קורא במטרה למצוא את המלחין שילחין את מזמורי "שיר של יום" אותו הלויים היו אומרים על הדוכן. במכון מבטיחים פרס כספי צנוע למלחין ומקווים בעתיד לעשות שימוש בלחן בבית המקדש

www.kipa.co.il

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