The 3 points that you made in #47, I think ultranationalist is the core of. Europe invented ultranationalism. But I think that Balkanization is not the same and not necessarily that negative. Balkanization is more like cantonization. In regions, where there are no ethnic boundaries, only cantonization can work. Cantonization allows the creation of small "sovereign" countries, without some central power of a national majority overlord. Much worse is when a national overlord prides itself in democratic majority rule. So, it is the cantonization that is the only solution against tyranny. In theory, the ideas of the European Union would be ideal for this. But in practice, the European Union, like the Soviet Union, practices the opposite of its ideology.
Balkanization isn’t a peaceful process, to put it mildly.
I think you contradict yourself. You want as few borders in Europe as possible, but now are talking about cantonization. I think that these things are incompatible with each other.
Team Hungarian also has a radical who struggle for Borders. In each year, they protesting in France and England, etc. for the cancellation of the Treaty of Trianon.
"A thousand years of nation building successfully delineated groups based on culture, religion, geography, and other attributes to create the countries with which we are so familiar. While some Western European nations would continue power struggles and princely battles and civil wars, Hungary, founded in 896, was a peaceful multi-ethnic state for over 1100 years and her borders were virtually unchanged.... Until 1920.
"The greatest catastrophe to have befallen Hungary since the battle of Mohacs in 1526," the Treaty of Trianon in 1920, was extremely harsh on Hungary and unjustifiably one-sided. The resulting "treaty" cost Hungary an unprecedented 2/3 of her territory, and 1/2 of her total population or 1/3 of her ethnic-Hungarian population. Add to this the loss of all her seaports, up to 90% of her vast natural resources, industry, railways, and other infrastructure. Millions of Hungarians saw borders arbitrarily redrawn around them, without plebiscites, ignoring President Wilson's lofty goal of national self-determination. The absurd treaty ignored a millenia of nation building and age-old cultural affiliations, created arbitrary borders and new countries, and created millions of new minorities who today struggle for survival of the ethnic identity. Western powers, primarily Britain and France, refused to re-visit the disaster they created at Versailles and led us into another great war. Two of the three newly created countries carved out of Hungarian territory no longer exist. The "Slovakia" (formerly Upper Hungary) part of Czechoslovakia split with the Czech Republic while "Yugoslavia" suffered from tragic civil war and the ravages of ethnic cleansing." More:
The Treaty of Trianon: A Hungarian Tragedy: American Hungarian Federation - Founded 1906
But the western powers did revisit their disaster, when Hitler forced them to in the two Vienna treaties. They even said at that time, that Hungary's 1944 borders were more correct than Trianon. But then came the communist from Moscow, and it was their common interest with the French to prevent Central European unification, so they restored Trianon quickly. This interest has not changed to this day, neither in Paris, nor in Moscow.
So, how do you stop Trianon, when the super powers pour unlimited money into keeping it every year?
Yes, there are several solutions to stop trianon, and very quickly and effectively too. But none of these solutions can be carried out with the Hungarian state of mind. Hungarians are so strictly programmed in their thinking both by Moscow and Paris, that they cannot imagine the solution to stop Trianon, even when obvious.
For example, and this will surprise every Hungarian, it was the Romanian dictator ceaucescu, that made the latest attempt to stop Trianon, in the 1970's and the Hungarians didn't even realize it.
Hungary is democracy. Here is freedom of speech. Here are some fanatics who shout stupid things on the street. This does not mean that representing all Hungarians.
Hey Maggdy, I think you may not have interpreted my post there. What I was trying to say was, that what matters is the thinking of the people, not free speech. I am lucky, I know a Hungarian girl, and she can explain a lot to me about Hungary, as well as east Europe in general.
From what she say, I gather, that if Hungarians wanted to stop Trianon, then they would have to reform their thinking in the following way:
1. A Hungarian should know who another Hungarian is;
2. A Hungarian should know who the non-Hungarian is who talks like a Hungarian but isn't a Hungarian;
3. And a Hungarian should know who isn't a Hungarian and never will be.
Without this, free speech and democracy are only a fraud.
By the way, she also explained to me, that it took a genocide of killing 60 % of all Hungarians in 1711, to destroy Hungarian thinking.
But Hungarian thinking is rooted deeper, in ancient times, even before Europe existed. Hungarians therefore should not need the fraudulent western form of democracy and any of that western manipulated free speech to rebuild their country.
Western society, and as it is imported to the entire east Europe region, is based on popular machinations, through voting power and crowding out working people with useless democratic majority freeloaders.
In contrast, the original Hungarian democracy, 4000 years old, worked per distributed power, which not only held together hungary's founding tribes, but was so popular, that many other tribes joined in too, most notably 3 Kabar tribes from Central Asia.
But when the 1st European style King was crowned, St Steven, Hungarian democracy stopped, and the tribes that wanted to join after that, namely the Pechengs and the Cumans, could not any more. This is illustrated in the 11th century map in this thread.
So, in short, if Hungarians want an end to Trianon, they need to find themselves first, and that is not in the "democracy" that Hungarians import from Western Europe.
This entire argument about Hungary, could be applied with very minor modification to the Ukraine and Russia too, in the 21st century. Interestingly, only the Russians know this.
