Whitewashing History

[Yarddog]

If you need to whitewash slavery you're a racist. Thankfully the Meatball will get no opportunity to make America like Florida.

well, no one is saying today that slavery is such a good thing, that we need to re-implement it, so that it
can be a jobs program. And shaming people by calling them such things as racist and bigot ... is a way of
silencing speech that you may not agree with.. but its really not necessary.
So Florida is a horrible place ? are black people now fleeing Florida to escape the oppression? just wondering, because if its as bad as you say it is, then they must be.

 

[MisterBeale]

If you need to whitewash slavery you're a racist.

It is impossible to "whitewash," slavery.

Slavery has been with humanity since we evolved from our last common ancestor.

In fact, the name, Slavs, of Eastern Europe, comes from the Latin for slave.

Etymology​

From Middle English sclave, from Old French sclave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus (“slave”), from Late Latin Sclāvus (“Slav”), because Slavs were often forced into slavery in the Middle Ages.[1][2][3][4][5] The Latin word is from Byzantine Greek Σκλάβος (Sklábos), see that entry and Slav for more. Displaced native Old English þēow. Thrall and bondsman/bondswoman, however, remain common synonyms.

An alternative hypothesis derives sclāvus from Ancient Greek σκῡλεύω (skūleúō), σκῡλάω (skūláō, “to strip or despoil a slain enemy”).[6][7][8][9]

slave - Wiktionary

en.wiktionary.org

Slav - Wiktionary

en.wiktionary.org

 

[Arlette]

well, no one is saying today that slavery is such a good thing, that we need to re-implement it, so that it
can be a jobs program. And shaming people by calling them such things as racist and bigot ... is a way of
silencing speech that you may not agree with.. but its really not necessary.
So Florida is a horrible place ? are black people now fleeing Florida to escape the oppression? just wondering, because if its as bad as you say it is, then they must be.

No rational person is saying it. The Meatball is doing it to add insult to injury for black people. To reinforce that he's on board with white supremacy. It's dog whistle stuff. You're not bothered by it but I am.

 

[MisterBeale]

No rational person is saying it. The Meatball is doing it to add insult to injury for black people. To reinforce that he's on board with white supremacy. It's dog whistle stuff. You're not bothered by it but I am.

Wow, that is pretty outrageous.

I think we can say, his presidential run is over. . .

Florida's new Black history curriculum says "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit"

The lessons will be taught to sixth through eighth grade students this year.

www.cbsnews.com

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery​

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery

GOP presidential candidate says the controversial new Florida curriculum has ‘the most robust standards in African American history.’

web.archive.org

This is akin to saying that the Jewish folks learned job skills and physical fitness in concentration camps. . . .

 

[Arlette]

Wow, that is pretty outrageous.

I think we can say, his presidential run is over. . .

Florida's new Black history curriculum says "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit"

The lessons will be taught to sixth through eighth grade students this year.

www.cbsnews.com

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery​

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery

GOP presidential candidate says the controversial new Florida curriculum has ‘the most robust standards in African American history.’

web.archive.org

This is akin to saying that the Jewish folks learned job skills and physical fitness in concentration camps. . . .

And it's not just on this issue. He's doubling down on what doesn't work. Whatever, it's his campaign and his political career.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Wow, that is pretty outrageous.

I think we can say, his presidential run is over. . .

Florida's new Black history curriculum says "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit"

The lessons will be taught to sixth through eighth grade students this year.

www.cbsnews.com

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery​

DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery

GOP presidential candidate says the controversial new Florida curriculum has ‘the most robust standards in African American history.’

web.archive.org

This is akin to saying that the Jewish folks learned job skills and physical fitness in concentration camps. . . .

They weren't taught anything. Slaves on the other hand learned construction, blacksmithing, care of animals and horse training. They became skilled. Some artisan slaves sold their work eventually buying their freedom.

The point Desantis was making is that these skills were unavailable in Africa. Which is correct.

 

[MisterBeale]

They weren't taught anything. Slaves on the other hand learned construction, blacksmithing, care of animals and horse training. They became skilled. Some artisan slaves sold their work eventually buying their freedom.

The point Desantis was making is that these skills were unavailable in Africa. Which is correct.

Arbeit macht frei​

Arbeit macht frei - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Arbeit macht frei ([ˈaʁbeɪt ˈmaxt ˈfʁeɪ] (listen)) is a German phrase meaning "Work sets you free" or "Work makes one free". The slogan originates from a 1873 novel by Lorenz Diefenbach. It is known for appearing on the entrance of Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps.[1]

Origin

"The expression comes from the title of an 1873 novel by the German philologist Lorenz Diefenbach, Arbeit macht frei: Erzählung von Lorenz Diefenbach, in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour.[2][3] The phrase was also used in French (le travail rend libre!) by Auguste Forel, a Swiss entomologist, neuroanatomist and psychiatrist, in his Fourmis de la Suisse (English: Ants of Switzerland) (1920).[4] In 1922, the Deutsche Schulverein of Vienna, an ethnic nationalist "protective" organization of Germans within Austria, printed membership stamps with the phrase Arbeit macht frei.[citation needed]

The phrase is also evocative of the medieval German principle of Stadtluft macht frei ("urban air makes you free"), according to which serfs were liberated after being a city resident for one year and one day.[5]. . . "

Like I said, bigots and hateful folks, will do anything to rationalize the evil they do. . .

 

[IM2]

Yes you do!!!

Labour MP Kate Hoey, formerly the chairwoman of the all-party Parliamentary group on Zimbabwe and a longtime critic of the ex-president, tweeted: "Mugabe brought independence to Zimbabwe and then killed in the Gukurahundi-up to 80,000 of his own citizens in Matabeleland and brought his country to its knees economically. A hero to a brutal dictator."

The Gukurahundi was the massacres of Ndebele civilians carried out by the North Korean-trained Fifth Brigade of the Zimbabwe National Army in a bid to crush dissidents in the 1980s.

Mugabe was blamed for having orchestrated the killings, and had signed an agreement with North Korean President Kim Il-sung to have Pyongyang's military train a brigade for Zimbabwe's army.
The former president's savage reign over the former British colony, which gained independence in 1980, was dominated by murder, bloodshed, torture, corruption, human rights abuses, persecution of political opponents, intimidation and vote-rigging on a grand scale.

In 2000 he led a campaign to evict white farmers from their land, which was given to black Zimbabweans, and led to famine.

His henchmen attacked and often murdered white farmers, burning their homes, looting their possessions and confiscating their land.

The economy of the mineral-rich country descended into chaos with thousands of people reduced to grinding poverty, many of them suffering from near-starvation and worse.

Rigging elections and wrecking Zimbabwe's economy​

At one point in 2008 inflation hit the rate of 231million per cent.

A loaf of bread cost millions of Zimbabwe dollars as residents struggled to put food on the table at home and lived in despair.

Political opponents were often beaten, sexually abused and sometimes charged with treason and homosexual offences.

Robert Mugabe 'ate a zoo' and murdered enemies - but was still a hero to many

Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe ate a baby elephant when he celebrated his 91st birthday - but he did plenty worse during a reign of terror lasting almost 40 years

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Celia murdered a slave owner who she SAID, without any corroboration, raped her. Note how she received a TRIAL and an APPEAL but was ultimately found guilty of murder. At the time horse thieves were hanged so I doubt it was disproportionate for the time. Mugabe was still murdering until his death!!!

So yes; teach BOTH histories at an age appropriate level; probably High School Grade 11. (or US equivalent).

The convict story is taught here in Primary School. "The Triangle" has a whole new meaning, as does the "cat of nine tails".

Greg

Greg

We don't live in Zimbabwe.

 

[IM2]

They weren't taught anything. Slaves on the other hand learned construction, blacksmithing, care of animals and horse training. They became skilled. Some artisan slaves sold their work eventually buying their freedom.

The point Desantis was making is that these skills were unavailable in Africa. Which is correct.

No that's not correct.

 

[IM2]

The remnants of the Songhai empire.

After the gold was gone, the tribal warring states, were desperate for anything of value, at that point? They started trading flesh.

If it hadn't been for the Muslims in the North invading them? There probably would have been no slave trade.

They had been such an AMAZING civilization.

Romans & Celts would have stooped to such a thing too, if they had been in such a sorry state. . . . IN fact, they did!

7. The Songhai Empire - Africa's Age of Gold​

That was not the only empire in Africa, or should I use the original name-Alkebulan.

 

[IM2]

Purchased from whom?

In 1850, it's pretty simple to know who.

 

[IM2]

Its obvious slavery wasnt good for slaves. I dont have to agree with everything De'Santis says
and I think his point is probably a bad one in my opinion, but as an adult i can see what he was trying to say. While Slavery was and still is an abomination, he was trying to say that a person who was made to build brick walls and buildings ... probably had the skills to become a stone mason after he was liberated,
and probably then had that skill to pass down to his kids.
I understand, that may not be a very strong position based on the horrors of slavery and that Democrats are naturally going to jump all over that to paint DeSantis in the worst possible light,

However for the O.P. To equate Ron Desantis'es position to be OK with a slave girl being raped...and then hung is a complete distortion of what De'Santis was trying to say. Even if you don't agree with his position, it doesnt mean you (the OP) needs to go to the lowest place, one could just be an adult about it.

There is no good light to see this in. The OP presented an excellent example.

Ron DeSantis decided that teaching black history that showed how there were whites who did bad things was unfair. You right wingers got race pimped by Chris Rufo into opposing a CRT that wasn't CRT based on how unfair that was for whites. But now we see attempts to justify this REAL racist garbage?

Africans hd skills before they were enslaved. So slavery was not beneficial at all.

Period.

 

[Orangecat]

In 1850, it's pretty simple to know who.

Then let's hear it.
Chain of custody all the way back to when she was taken from her family.
You'll dodge that question like a liberal dodges paying back a loan, though, won't you?
Because it would illustrate culpability of multiple races, including your own.
How will you ever guilt white folk into falling for your reparations scam if black fold were involved?
Dance away, son.

 

[IM2]

So it's unfair to teach that slavery benefitted whites and helped build this country, because whites will feel uncomfortable. But we must make whites feel good so we will force people to believe that slavery benefitted blacks. And no one can see the white privilege here.

 

[Arlette]

There is no good light to see this in. The OP presented an excellent example.

Ron DeSantis decided that teaching black history that showed how there were whites who did bad things was unfair. You right wingers got race pimped by Chris Rufo into opposing a CRT that wasn't CRT based on how unfair that was for whites. But now we see attempts to justify this REAL racist garbage?

Africans hd skills before they were enslaved. So slavery was not beneficial at all.

Period.

Slavery, America's original sin.
The issue that drives the GOP is that in their opinion minorities have advanced too far and have become a threat to white supremacy. I guess when you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. All their efforts are geared to impose traditional hierarchies and gender roles. Back to the good ol days where everybody knew their place and stayed in their lane. But the bottom line is this - women are not going back into the kitchen. Gays are not going back into the closet and blacks are not going back to the rear of the bus. And that is all there is to it.

 

[MisterBeale]

That was not the only empire in Africa, or should I use the original name-Alkebulan.

I never meant to imply it was. . in fact, anyone that bothers to watch that video, will see it was built upon the ruins of older empires, and destroyed by newer ones.

List of kingdoms and empires in African history - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was just referring to the major economic causative factor the made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible.

If no one in the interior is capturing and selling humans, then there is no trade in human flesh, is there?

 

[Mac-7]

“Can Ron DeSantis explain how being enslaved was beneficial to Celia?

In 1850, a fourteen-year-old girl in Missouri named Celia was purchased by enslaver, Robert Newsom.

Over the course of five years, he repeatedly raped her.

On June 23, 1855 while pregnant with her second child, Celia defended herself against more abuse, resulting in the death of her enslaver and rapist.

During Celia’s trial, Newsom’s grandson William Powell testified.

Powell testified that Celia had complained that Newsom repeatedly demanded sex and that she had approached other Newsom family members in a vain attempt to stop the rapes. Powell also admitted that Celia told him that her attack on Newsom came from desperation and that she only intended to injure, not kill.

Celia was found guilty.

An appeal was filed.

The Missouri Supreme Court ultimately ruled against her appeal.

On December 21, 1855 at 2:30 P.M., the state of Missouri murdered Celia on the gallows.

Are we going to teach children this history?

Or are we going to continue to whitewash history because it makes some people uncomfortable?”

- Cales McGinnis

The story of that girl has nothing to do with DeSantos

Florida wants to teach children a balanced view of history that does not demonize whites

There is nothing wrong with that

 

[IM2]

Then let's hear it.
Chain of custody all the way back to when she was taken from her family.
You'll dodge that question like a liberal dodges paying back a loan, though, won't you?
Because it would illustrate culpability of multiple races, including your own.
How will you ever guilt white folk into falling for your reparations scam if black fold were involved?
Dance away, son.

No it won't. Because the importation of slaves stopped in 1808. And so she was probably the result of slave breeding. And no African was raping her. You can't just adlways fall back on that Africans sold other Africans stuff. Because:

Before the white man came to Africa, tribal wars were mostly fought with swords, spears, bows and arrows. Although these weapons were lethal they were nowhere near as quick and fatal as the gun. The problem here was that, only the white strangers had guns and decided which tribal group to support in times of battle. Any tribal group the white strangers supported with their powerful cannons, guns and ammunitions, easily conquered their enemies. This also created another major problem. The white strangers did not support any tribal group for free. In fact, the white strangers started demanding taxes (which included pieces of gold and prisoners of war) and total submission after victory. Any tribal group or community which failed to submit to the Europeans and pay taxes were wiped out. Sometimes the leaders of those communities were executed publicly as a form of warning to neighboring communities.

Africans did not sell their own people into slavery

www.africaw.com

 

[IM2]

I never meant to imply it was. . in fact, anyone that bothers to watch that video, will see it was built upon the ruins of older empires, and destroyed by newer ones.

List of kingdoms and empires in African history - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was just referring to the major economic causative factor the made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible.

If no one in the interior is capturing and selling humans, then there is no trade in human flesh, is there?

It just was not that simple.

Africans did not sell their own people into slavery

www.africaw.com

 

[IM2]

The story of that girl has nothing to do with DeSantos

Florida wants to teach children a balanced view of history that does not demonize whites

There is nothing wrong with that

That's not a balanced view and the whites that participated in slavery asnd apartheid should be demonized.