White House Insists, Torture Is Legal

[dilloduck]

Either way it’s a dangerous situation.

Yes --it is. What are your suggestions for making it safer?

 

[theHawk]

How do you know what our intel ability is? Iraq’s non-existent WMD shows either that our intel ability is zero or that our leaders had made their policy decisions without regard to what our intel was saying. Either way it’s a dangerous situation.

Thanks for showing your ability to completely ignore my previous answer and just go right back to asking the same question I already answered, dimwit.

If anything GWB’s Iraq debacle has allowed more of these Islamic extremists come out of the woodwork. And now that we are bogged down in Iraq, how could we possibly go after these extremists anywhere else. I seriously doubt that we could launch major military operations anywhere in the world right now because so much of our military capacity is committed to Iraq.

Well, since they are fighting the extermists there in Iraq, why would they need to deploy anywhere else to fight them? Are you advocating that we invade another country?

You really trust these people after the way they have botched Iraq? And what happens if the guidelines these people formulate someday say you are a member of a terrorist group and thus should be subjected to torture?

What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about guidelines within government agencies. They have nothing to do with the people that 'botched Iraq'. Once again you show your stupidity by lumping every single government agency and all government employees together with the administration. You obviously don't have a clue of how the government operates at all. You think of it as one omnipotent entity, when its actually a collection(or more acurately a clusterfuck) of agencies that run completely independant of each other.

Without warrants? Without any legal definition of what a terrorist is? Without informing the Congress? Even when American citizens (who are entitled to U.S. Constitutional due process rights) are involved?

Not everything requires a warrant you know. If a police officer sees a shooting and the person with the gun runs into a house, he has reasonable cause to enter it without a warrant to make the arrest. We the People define that balance between Constitutional Rights and Safety,rights of criminals and the rights of victims. Allowing the government to listen in on terrorist converstations is no different.

If our government can monitor the activities of our citizens without obtaining a warrant, what purpose does the 4th Amendment serve?

See above.

And once again a member of the fringe shows his utter lack of respect and lack of intelligence by using profanity.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were so easily offended. Please continue to show your lack of respect and lack of intelligence by posting your absurd arguements.

 

[flaja]

Thanks for showing your ability to completely ignore my previous answer and just go right back to asking the same question I already answered, dimwit.

Either our intel or our leadership or both, have failed us in regards to Iraq. What makes you so confident that we won’t be failed just as miserably again?

 

[red states rule]

How do you know what our intel ability is? Iraq’s non-existent WMD shows either that our intel ability is zero or that our leaders had made their policy decisions without regard to what our intel was saying. Either way it’s a dangerous situation.



If anything GWB’s Iraq debacle has allowed more of these Islamic extremists come out of the woodwork. And now that we are bogged down in Iraq, how could we possibly go after these extremists anywhere else. I seriously doubt that we could launch major military operations anywhere in the world right now because so much of our military capacity is committed to Iraq.



You really trust these people after the way they have botched Iraq? And what happens if the guidelines these people formulate someday say you are a member of a terrorist group and thus should be subjected to torture?

Yes, I believe any President should be allowed to allow intell agencies (they are not 'his' operations) to conduct eavesdropping anytime known terrorists call into the U.S.[/quotes]

Without warrants? Without any legal definition of what a terrorist is? Without informing the Congress? Even when American citizens (who are entitled to U.S. Constitutional due process rights) are involved?



If our government can monitor the activities of our citizens without obtaining a warrant, what purpose does the 4th Amendment serve?



And once again a member of the fringe shows his utter lack of respect and lack of intelligence by using profanity.

Revealed: Bush Kidnapping Iraqi Womyn
It sure was a busy weekend for the Shrub. First an Egyptian ferry sank in the Red Sea, drowning all 27,000 passengers. Not surprising when you consider that Dumbya’s exorbitant new budget calls for over $900 trillion in tax cuts for the rich, yet not a single dime for improving safety conditions on Egyptian passenger ferries. Meanwhile, the Muslim World exploded with perfectly understandable rage over a series of crude and offensive cartoons that Bush submitted to a Danish newspaper. And Goddess only knows what dirt the Chimp had on the Superdome officials to make them completely ignore the 75 homeruns the Seattle Seahawks made right under their very noses. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was responsible for the drunken, face-painted barbarians who pulled down my pants and pushed me into the womyn’s restroom at the sports bar, too.

However, the Chimp’s weekend crime spree just wouldn’t be complete without a new atrocity in Iraq. As usual, this one went completely unnoticed by the right-wing controlled media. According to recently released military documents, U.S. occupying forces in Iraq have been illegally detaining the wives of Iraqi freedom fighters without an arrest warrant or benefit of legal counsel. A note is often left on the door of the family residence telling the husband to “come get your woman!” He is then forced to take time out from his busy schedule of blowing up humvees and sawing the heads off of infidels to come down to Army headquarters and retrieve his wife, only to find out it was all a trick. The next thing he knows, he’s strapped to a chair at Abu Ghraib and being forced to peruse this year’s Hooter’s calendar. How this serves our ultimate goal to win the “hearts and minds” of the ACLU is beyond me.

The Muslim culture places great value on their womyn – about a buck ninety-five on today’s market. While Muslim men work hard to provide for their families, the wife remains dutifully at home to care for their children, bringing them up healthy and strong so they explode with greater force and spread nails over a wider area. Muslim wives also assist in their husband's daily exercise regimen by serving as human punching bags in the event that there isn’t a Jew available. Such marital love and devotion is rare in this day and age.

So you see, the notion that Muslim womyn are treated worse than dogs is simply a Western myth. Indeed, as long as they keep their yaps shut and don’t get out of line, Muslim women are treated at least as good as dogs, if not better. For Bush to use the wives of Iraqi freedom fighters as bait to capture their devoted husbands goes beyond the pale, and is considered a graver insult than being saved from shark-infested waters by a Jew.

No wonder, then, that the Shrub attempted to send the Israeli Navy into the Red Sea to pull survivors out of the water - unusually icy for this time of year thanks to his refusal to ratify Kyoto - knowing full well that the Egyptians would prefer to drown.

Their blood is on his hands.







February 06, 2006 in Iraq | Permalink | Comments (33) | TrackBack (2)
No Mercy for Iraqi Children Under US Military’s Reign of Terror


The Right-Wing Attack Machine is at it again. Over the weekend, esteemed Senator, decorated war hero, and rightful inhabitant of the White House, John Fitzgerald Kerry spoke candidly on Face the Nation about the hopeless quagmire in Iraq, and why our troops are such heartless bastards.

“There is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- of -- of -- historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that.”
It’s all pretty cut and dry, and certainly nothing we haven’t heard from other Democrat leaders and high-ranking members of Al-Qaeda for months now. But before the program was even over, the right-wing blogosphere exploded with typical hate-filled bile, ignoring the crux of the interview to dwell on one or two little lines that were spoken completely off the cuff and shouldn’t be taken literally. Chickenhawk Hannity, Fatty McFatso, and Fraulein “Hooray for Internment Camps” Malkin all got their digs in, resorting to the same old playbook they’ve been using for years. By constantly spinning the senator’s nuanced statements to mean what he actually says, the fascists of conservative punditry intend to "Murtha” Sen. Kerry by forcing him to be held accountable for every tidbit of wisdom that spews forth from his stately blowhole. But John Kerry won’t be bullied. Anyone doubting his authority on the quagmire in Iraq need only remember that Rush Limbaugh had anal cysts in 1965.

Despite what republican radio hacks want us to believe, Sen. Kerry is absolutely correct: the U.S. government is indeed ordering jackbooted squads of armed goons to bust down the doors of private residences and terrorize women and children – actions that are entirely inexcusable unless done to reunite nice little Cuban boys with their loving Uncle Fidel. During these nightly raids, Muslim customs such as the ceremonial greasing of the sacred yak are completely ignored, and large collections of priceless weaponry and improvised explosives are confiscated without recompense. But perhaps out of his unwavering reverence for our brave soldiers who are merely unwitting pawns in Bush’s war games, John Kerry did not expand on all the details of our military’s campaign of terror against the innocent children of Iraq.

In addition to their barbaric stormtrooper tactics, U.S troops have been waging a highly documented guerilla war on the children of Iraq for some time. Inhuman atrocities are committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. Large numbers of soldiers have been known to descend on small Iraqi villages like packs of wild dogs, forcing unsuspecting children to wear second hand or off-the-rack clothing in a fashion reminiscent of Jingus K-mart. Many children are subjected to bizarre medical experiments and given mysterious injections. Countless more suffer unexplainable weight gain and, in rare circumstances, borderline chubbiness.

The coalition forces want desperately to paint a rosy picture of their horrifying activities. As these staged photographs suggest, many children laugh and sing at the arrival of troops, perhaps out of fear for what might befall them should they express the true, unbridled hatred that most Iraqis and half the population of Massachusetts have for our military. But as soon as the cameras are off, the innocent laughter turns to blood-curdling screams as the unsuspecting children are herded into small, non-descript buildings, where they are held against their will for several hours a day and brainwashed with pro-western propaganda. As helpless parents look on, crayons and construction paper are shoved into the tiny hands of their crying sons and daughters, who are forced to produce variety of arts and crafts with virtually no pay or health benefits. Finally, once the tots have been thoroughly “re-educated”, they are hastily ground up and fed to blacks in New Orleans.

It’s enough to make anyone sick to their stomach, but John Kerry has seen it all before. He fought to bring an end to similar atrocities in Southeast Asia, and in return for his patriotism he was assailed by GOP attack dogs like the Hateboat Haters of Hate, a group of Bush lackeys who claimed to have served with Kerry in Vietnam yet never once sat on his lap and called him “Daddy”. John Kerry volunteered for four years in the military so he could spend the next forty attacking it with impunity, and he won’t be intimidated by those who “had better things to do” than hook cell phones up to human genitals and turn up the power when their country called.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/iraq/index.html

 

[theHawk]

Either our intel or our leadership or both, have failed us in regards to Iraq. What makes you so confident that we won’t be failed just as miserably again?

I already answered the question. "Bush" doesn't micromanage our intell agencies. Our intell agencies do an immense amount of good work protecting our country from terrorists. There is always a chance that intell will be wrong, but what is the option? Just give up on all intell collection?

 

[Psychoblues]

And you're a piece of shit that smells to High Heaven. Does that make you any better than me?

You're a liar.

Psychoblues