Zone1 White Catholics overwhelmingly voted for Trump

[zaangalewa]

The OP seems to think that the Catholic position on abortion should be upheld in a secular country such as ours. I was just wondering where he got that idea?

Abortion is a very complex theme - ironically a theme "without men" who are a main factor for abortions. I know that the catholic "laws" do not help in this context - although it is good to follow this "laws". We all - Catholics or not - have to learn a lot in this context. In general let me say lots of things will have to change so we are able to live in a world without abortions. As long as it is not so we will have to fight for all and every life - concrete, not abstract - also the life of a mother what could force sometimes the decision to make an abortion; but not so in hundreds of thousands or even millions of cases worldwide every year.

With every abortion dies a human being. To kill a human being is on logical reason not able to be a natural human right (see your declaration of independence). It is indeed impossible to make a constitutional right out of the fact that with every abortion dies a human being (has to die an "innocent" human being who never broke any essential law). "Death" = "not-life" is not able to be an unalienable right as well as it is not able that "not-freedom" is an unalienable right and so on and so on. Human rights need first of all living and free human beings. "Free" includes the possibility to make something wrong. But the own freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.

 

[Arlette]

Abortion is a very complex theme - ironically a theme "without men" who are a main factor for abortions. I know that the catholic "laws" do not help in this context - although it is good to follow this "laws". We all - Catholics or not - have to learn a lot in this context. In general let me say lots of things will have to change so we are able to live in a world without abortions. As long as it is not so we will have to fight for all and every life - also the life of a mother what could force sometimes the decision to make an abortion; but not so in hundreds of thousands or even millions of cases worldwide every year.

With every abortion dies a human being. To kill a human being is on logical reason not able to be a natural human right (see your declaration of independence). It is indeed impossible to make a constitutional right out of the fact that with every abortion dies a human being (an "innocent" human being who never broke any essential law). "Death"= "not-life" is not able ot be an unalienable right as well as it is not able that "not-freedom" is an unalienable right and so on and so on. Huma oetghs need frost oif all livving and free human beings. "Free" includes the possibility to make something wrong. But the own freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.

The Catholic position on abortion should of course matter to Catholics but Catholics should have no expectation whatsoever that their position should be the law of the land.
It's like when I go on a diet NOBODY gets a cookie. Would you accept something like that? Of course not.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Catholic position on abortion should of course matter to Catholics but Catholics should have no expectation whatsoever that their position should be the law of the land.

You did not understand what i said. On logical reason the death of human beings is not able to be a constitutional law. Only because a human being still is unborn this gives no one the right to ignore the unalienable human right of this human beings. Other example: Slavery had happened in the USA - but slavery is not able to be an unalienabe natural human right. With other words: Slavery broke the USA. Abortions also breaks the USA. With such things you are losing your country, your place to live, your identity. Same with institutionalized torture.

It's like when I go on a diet NOBODY gets a cookie.

It's like when I go on a diet NOBODY gets a headshot although this is good for a slim line.

Would you accept something like that? Of course not.

So now: Would you accept something like that? Killed innocent people? Of course also not, isn't it?

But let us end here now. This discussion is very old and still many people like to make the world to a better place with abortion and not to a better place without abortion.

 

[Arlette]

You did not understand what i said. On logical reason the death of human beings is not able to be a constitutional law. Only because a human being still is unborn this gives no one the right to ignore the unalienable human right of this human beings. Other example: Slavery had happened in the USA - but slavery is not able to be an unalienabe natural human right. With other words: Slavery broke the USA. Abortions also breaks the USA. With such things you are losing your country, your place to live, your identity. Same with institutionalized torture.



It's like when I go on a diet NOBODY gets a headshot although this is good for a slim line.



So now: Would you accept something like that? Killed innocent people? Of course also not, isn't it?

But let us end here now. This discussion is very old and still many people like to make the world to a better place with abortion and not to a better place without abortion.

You seem to be under the impression that the unborn has rights under the Constitution - it does not. You think it SHOULD have, but no fetal personhood amendment was ever passed.

 

[zaangalewa]

You seem to be under the impression that the unborn has rights under the Constitution - it does not. You think it SHOULD have, but no fetal personhood amendment was ever passed.

You still do not understand what I said. What you call "constitution" now I have to call "constituion of death". And a constitution of death no one should follow. Death is not a yardstick, life is the yardstick.

 

[Mashmont]

The Catholic Joe Biden was and is one of the best presidents the USA ever had. He did do - and is still doing - a great job for the USA. And whether Mr. James Donald Bowman alias JD Vance will become the third Catholic president of the USA will decide god and what JD Vance will do and will take serios from the nonsense which he said on his own this we will see when he will really become president of the USA.

Regardless of your opinion of the job he did, Biden is in no way a practicing Catholic when he openly and vigorously opposes the most critical position of the Church and uses his position to further abortion

 

[Mashmont]

The OP seems to think that the Catholic position on abortion should be upheld in a secular country such as ours. I was just wondering where he got that idea?

You seem to think the atheist position on abortion should be upheld. Where did you get that idea?

 

[Mashmont]

The Catholic position on abortion should of course matter to Catholics but Catholics should have no expectation whatsoever that their position should be the law of the land.
It's like when I go on a diet NOBODY gets a cookie. Would you accept something like that? Of course not.

Let’s substitute rape for abortion, even though rape is not nearly as violent or lethal. Just because you oppose rape, why would you force everyone to follow your wishes? Then tell me how abortion is different.

No one has ever answered this question when I have asked it All they do is slam the question. Let’s see if you’ll do the same

 

[Mashmont]

John F. Kennedy was certainly a practicing Catholic. In fact, after Kennedy was shot, President Johnson was sworn in on a missal (a Catholic prayer book for those unfamiliar) that JFK had onboard Air Force One.

Sure, JFK drank and smoked and had 3-ways with his brother and Marilyn Monroe.

But the fact he was a sinner doesn't mean he wasn't practicing his faith.

John F. Kennedy was certainly a practicing Catholic. In fact, after Kennedy was shot, President Johnson was sworn in on a missal (a Catholic prayer book for those unfamiliar) that JFK had onboard Air Force One.

Sure, JFK drank and smoked and had 3-ways with his brother and Marilyn Monroe.

But the fact he was a sinner doesn't mean he wasn't practicing his faith.

I don’t know if he practiced his faith outside of the cameras, so I will back off my implication that he wasn’t a Catholic.

 

[Arlette]

You still do not understand what I said. What you call "constitution" now I have to call "constituion of death". And a constitution of death no one should follow. Death is not a yardstick, life is the yardstick.

I understand that you are not prepared to deal with FACTS and I have no intention to argue beliefs, which are no more than opinions. Catholicism is an opinion.

 

[Arlette]

You seem to think the atheist position on abortion should be upheld. Where did you get that idea?

The Constitution, 1st Amendment, the Establishment clause.

 

[zaangalewa]

I understand that you are not prepared to deal with FACTS

No - you do not accept that all human beings are human beings. And you do not accept human beings have natural rights only on reason because they are human beings. Human beings have for example the right to live.

and I have no intention to argue beliefs, which are no more than opinions. Catholicism is an opinion.

You're lying to yourself and you know it. Truth is true independent from any human opinion. If you institutionalize the right to kill others then others will be killed. But one day you - or someone else who you love - will be "the other one".

 

[zaangalewa]

... Biden is in no way a ... Catholic ...

Biden is a Catholic. A child of god and my brother in god.

 

[Mashmont]

Biden is a Catholic. A child of god and my brother in god.

Biden isn't a practicing Catholic. He fights against core teachings of the church. A child of God, yes. I hope he publicly repents in the short time he has remaining.

 

[Failzero]

Catholics of Color followed suit and rode the White Catholics Coattails

 

[ding]

Mercy is what I want, not sacrifice.
God

"Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices. I did."
God

 

[ding]

I understand that you are not prepared to deal with FACTS and I have no intention to argue beliefs, which are no more than opinions. Catholicism is an opinion.

24,000 written manuscripts from antiquity say otherwise.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Democrats have forgotten us Catholics. They think we don't exist. They took the most radical possible position on abortion, as if we Catholics don't matter. Now, they are eating the bitter fruit of defeat.

It's because white Catholics love their Bible

What does it say?

Leviticus 20:10
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:24
24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

 

[Mashmont]

It's because white Catholics love their Bible

What does it say?

Leviticus 20:10
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:24
24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Yes. We are sorry Kamala committed adultery with a married man.

 

[Blackrook]

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Lots of stuff in the Old Testament was already abandoned by the Jews during Jesus's time.