Zone1 Which is worse to America: the spread of socialism or of Islam?

[georgephillip]

Socialism is self-destructing. It cannot survive, and cannot in many cases even be implemented. Sure, it SOUNDS good to the people on the receiving end - what poor person already getting food stamps and free medical care wouldn't ALSO like free bus rides, such as Mandami promised? - but it ultimately dies due to its failure as an economic system,

Far more dangerous is the spread of Islam, especially to Jews but eventually to all non-Muslims. With Arab money buying off liberal universities, there are now nearly 1 million Muslim students spreading their hate for Jews. They are tearing down Jewish Heritage posters on campus, setting up No Jew Zones, chanting their support for killing Jews, and actually gunning them down at museums for the “crime” of being Jewish.

(And, social media such as this one being an example, they are positioning themselves as Christians to spread lies about Jews.)

If I had a choice between living under socialism or radical Islam, I would choose the former. The latter is the precursor to another Nazi-level Holocaust of Jews.

Victor Davis Hanson: What I Fear Worse Than Socialist Democratic Government

The two greatest cities in Western civilization, New York and London, are now headed by overt Islamicists, says Victor Davis Hanson.

www.dailysignal.com

Your link:

"You’ve got to remember that Barack Obama was a socialist, and when he left office, he lost the House, and he lost the Senate, and he lost 1400 state and local offices that were Democrats. He destroyed the Democratic Party. essentially. He did. He made it possible for [Donald] Trump to win."

Obama was a pragmatic Democrat functioning within a capitalist framework, implementing market-based reform like the ACA instead of Medicare for All which has long been a socialist objective.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/obama-statist-not-socialist

 

[martybegan]

Socialism is self-destructing. It cannot survive, and cannot in many cases even be implemented. Sure, it SOUNDS good to the people on the receiving end - what poor person already getting food stamps and free medical care wouldn't ALSO like free bus rides, such as Mandami promised? - but it ultimately dies due to its failure as an economic system,

Far more dangerous is the spread of Islam, especially to Jews but eventually to all non-Muslims. With Arab money buying off liberal universities, there are now nearly 1 million Muslim students spreading their hate for Jews. They are tearing down Jewish Heritage posters on campus, setting up No Jew Zones, chanting their support for killing Jews, and actually gunning them down at museums for the “crime” of being Jewish.

(And, social media such as this one being an example, they are positioning themselves as Christians to spread lies about Jews.)

If I had a choice between living under socialism or radical Islam, I would choose the former. The latter is the precursor to another Nazi-level Holocaust of Jews.

Victor Davis Hanson: What I Fear Worse Than Socialist Democratic Government

The two greatest cities in Western civilization, New York and London, are now headed by overt Islamicists, says Victor Davis Hanson.

www.dailysignal.com

Right now they seem to be both working together to overturn the current situation. They seem to think they can fight it out amongst themselves after the old order is destroyed.

 

[Dragonlady]

Socialism is self-destructing. It cannot survive, and cannot in many cases even be implemented. Sure, it SOUNDS good to the people on the receiving end - what poor person already getting food stamps and free medical care wouldn't ALSO like free bus rides, such as Mandami promised? - but it ultimately dies due to its failure as an economic system,

Far more dangerous is the spread of Islam, especially to Jews but eventually to all non-Muslims. With Arab money buying off liberal universities, there are now nearly 1 million Muslim students spreading their hate for Jews. They are tearing down Jewish Heritage posters on campus, setting up No Jew Zones, chanting their support for killing Jews, and actually gunning them down at museums for the “crime” of being Jewish.

(And, social media such as this one being an example, they are positioning themselves as Christians to spread lies about Jews.)

If I had a choice between living under socialism or radical Islam, I would choose the former. The latter is the precursor to another Nazi-level Holocaust of Jews.

Victor Davis Hanson: What I Fear Worse Than Socialist Democratic Government

The two greatest cities in Western civilization, New York and London, are now headed by overt Islamicists, says Victor Davis Hanson.

www.dailysignal.com

Neither. Both are IMPROVEMENTS to your nation.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Neither. Both are IMPROVEMENTS to your nation.

In what possible way is it beneficial to tax the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

In what possible way is it beneficial to tax the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work?

It’s beneficial to the democrat party who cultivate those socialist sloth welfare recipients as votes.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It’s beneficial to the democrat party who cultivate those socialist sloth welfare recipients as votes.

Yep. They create a permanent underclass rather than helping people develop life skills.

 

[Lisa558]

Yep. They create a permanent underclass rather than helping people develop life skills.

That’s why they’re so opposed to work requirements for able-bodied people without dependents to keep getting welfare. They’re afraid they might learn a decent work ethic, enjoy the satisfaction from earning one’s OWN money, move up the ladder, and boom! another lost Democrat vote.

 

[IM2]

Neither. Both are IMPROVEMENTS to your nation.

They are brainwashed. The very rich tell them capitalism is great, and it has been great-for them.

 

[IM2]

That’s why they’re so opposed to work requirements for able-bodied people without dependents to keep getting welfare. They’re afraid they might learn a decent work ethic, enjoy the satisfaction from earning one’s OWN money, move up the ladder, and boom! another lost Democrat vote.

Wrong.

 

[Lisa558]

Wrong.

What a brilliant debater!

 

[Dragonlady]

In what possible way is it beneficial to tax the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work?

Given that social spending in no way "taxes the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work" your question simply displays your ignorance and misinformation. Maybe if you understood the social safety network, how it works and why it's necessary, you wouldn't ask such a stupid, ill informed question.

I strongly suggest you take economics 101, so you will have a better understanding of how and why social spending is effective and necessary.

 

[IM2]

Given that social spending in no way "taxes the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work" your question simply displays your ignorance and misinformation. Maybe if you understood the social safety network, how it works and why it's necessary, you wouldn't ask such a stupid, ill informed question.

I strongly suggest you take economics 101, so you will have a better understanding of how and why social spending is effective and necessary.

If they supported a living wage, then there would be fewer people needing the public assistance they oppose. These guys oppose help for those in need, and they oppose paying wages so they won't be in need.

 

[Lisa558]

If they supported a living wage, then there would be fewer people needing the public assistance they oppose. These guys oppose help for those in need, and they oppose paying wages so they won't be in need.

We oppose giving welfare to able-bodied people who refuse to get even a part-time job.

 

[Dragonlady]

That’s why they’re so opposed to work requirements for able-bodied people without dependents to keep getting welfare. They’re afraid they might learn a decent work ethic, enjoy the satisfaction from earning one’s OWN money, move up the ladder, and boom! another lost Democrat vote.

Saying you're "wrong" is 100% correct. Everything in your post is a fallacy promoted to morons like you by the right. 80% of adults getting food stamps are working at least one full time job.

More poor Americans work than those who are wealthy and living off their dividends - the ultimate welfare scam. Sitting on their asses at home collecting the profits of people who are working.

Food stamps and "earned income credits" are wage subsidies to America's richest corporations. The REAL welfare recipients are Walmart and McDonalds, and other minimum wage operations who pay their executions tens of millions of dollars on the backs of their minimum wage workers.

 

[Dragonlady]

We oppose giving welfare to able-bodied people who refuse to get even a part-time job.

Are you aware that it's not possible to do what you're suggesting? Able bodied people can only receive welfare for 2 years - total.

Maybe you should stop believing right wing lies and get a clue.

 

[Dragonlady]

If they supported a living wage, then there would be fewer people needing the public assistance they oppose. These guys oppose help for those in need, and they oppose paying wages so they won't be in need.

If they supported universal government funded health care, there would be no medical bankruptcies.

I had a major heart attack last week. If not for calling 911 as soon as it started and the EMT's arriving in under 5 minutes after I called (they happened to be 2 blocks from my home when they got the call), I wouldn't have survived. Today I got my bill from the hospital. $45 for the ambulance. That's it. All of my care was fully covered, including the angiogram, stent, and 5 days in the Cardiac ICU. I gave my OHIP card to the EMT's and that completed my paperwork.

Oakland had a test program where they gave welfare recipients an extra $500 per month for one year. At the end of the year, those receiving the "extra" money, were much better off than they had been at the start of the program.

Oakland gave cash to low-income residents. A new study says it helped, but what’s next?

Participants in the city’s guaranteed income pilot experienced educational, housing, and health improvements. But expanding the program takes money and will.

oaklandside.org

Most importantly, a large percentage had reduced their dependance on government programs.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Given that social spending in no way "taxes the productive citizens in order to support those who have no desire to work" your question simply displays your ignorance and misinformation. Maybe if you understood the social safety network, how it works and why it's necessary, you wouldn't ask such a stupid, ill informed question.

I strongly suggest you take economics 101, so you will have a better understanding of how and why social spending is effective and necessary.

Ah, so they use fairy dust instead of taxes raised off working people, then. Got it.

I must have missed that when I was running my S-corp for 25 years.

How much are you getting from the government each month, btw,?

 

[Lockback]

Neither. Both are IMPROVEMENTS to your nation

You've never had an ounce of credibility to me, from the first post I read of yours. But this cinched it.
Anybody who thinks both Islam and socialism would improve the United States is so far removed from reality, you might as well be living on the Moon.
Since there's no oxygen there, that would explain the starvation to your brain.

 

[JoeB131]

We oppose giving welfare to able-bodied people who refuse to get even a part-time job.

Fine.

Then make sure everyone has a job.

Don't reward companies for outsourcing jobs or replacing them with AI.

 

[Meathead]

Fine.

Then make sure everyone has a job.

Don't reward companies for outsourcing jobs or replacing them with AI.

Can we force the likes of you to work?