Zone1 Which God?

[Stann]

Jesus was a communist? Since when do communists solicit the belief in Father in Heaven and to believe on him? Communists are atheists by definition. They are the supreme God for them. Jesus was not a socialist either. Socialism and Capitalism are earthly constructs of secular government economies. Jesus taught to freely give to help others, especially if you are rich. But, he never demanded tithing and offerings or be thrown in jail. He taught to freely give.

Jesus's philosophy was communistic, nothing to do with politics. As a carpenter and workman he was a capitalist, I'm sure he didn't work for free. Skilled workers such as carpenters were highly valued throughout the Roman Empire.

 

[Hollie]

Over the years, I have discovered that providing a source is worthless. Those who demand the source invariably discount whatever that source is. They call it nasty names, ignorant, worthless, and biased against their ideology so what's the point of providing any source. I don't even keep track of them, with very rare exceptions. I didn't make it up. You must be offended by the low retention of atheism.
Similarly there are stats showing high depression and suicide rates among atheists. That would also bother you I suspect.

Over the years, I cant recall your tirades including sources. Rather, your tirades include collections of edited, parsed and altered ''quotes''. Those ''quotes'' are intended to express your revulsion for anyone who doesn't share your extremist religious beliefs. Your anti-science, ''angry religionist'' tirades are common. Your earlier thread entitled, ''25 pages of Quotes by Scientists Refuting Darwinism'' was a cut and paste tour de force of screeching, wailing, Harun Yahya inspired silliness.

Similarly, there are stats showing high depression and suicide rates among the young boys victimized by the child abuse syndicate operated by the Catholuc Church. That wouldn't bother you at all, I suspect.

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[Stann]

Over the years, I cant recall your tirades including sources. Rather, your tirades include collections of edited, parsed and altered ''quotes''. Those ''quotes'' are intended to express your revulsion for anyone who doesn't share your extremist religious beliefs. Your anti-science, ''angry religionist'' tirades are common. Your earlier thread entitled, ''25 pages of Quotes by Scientists Refuting Darwinism'' was a cut and paste tour de force of screeching, wailing, Harun Yahya inspired silliness.

Similarly, there are stats showing high depression and suicide rates among the young boys victimized by the child abuse syndicate operated by the Catholuc Church. That wouldn't bother you at all, I suspect.

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Nothing good comes from judging other people for faults you believe they have. It only promotes hate and ignorance to everyone, especially the one doing so.

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing good comes from judging other people for faults you believe they have. It only promotes hate and ignorance to everyone, especially the one doing so.

Hate and ignorance are the default attitudes of the human race.

 

[Clyde 154]

Unfortunately Jesus never wrote any of the bible. Other men did and said these things of him. Of the great number of books that were given consideration for incorporation into the Christian Bible only those that did not conflict in the message the religion wanted to convey were finally accepted and incorporated. Men conveyed this message, not Jesus.

Now all you have to do........is prove these eyewitnesses to the "majesty" of Jesus Christ and His words were not telling the truth....when they witnessed Jesus speaking these words. (2 Peter 1:16)

Indeed, some 40 men are responsible for placing a pin to paper in recording all they were directed to record but all were "inspired of God" (2 Tim. 3:16) as directed by their Helper, the Holy Spirit of Truth (as commissioned by Jesus Himself --John 14:16-17) who was repeating to men what He had been instructed/directed to repeat from Heaven (and as to today.........not one word of the Holy Scriptures has been debunked by a presentation of History Actual or Applied Science. The Bible remains "unbroken" after 3500 years of continued attacks from those who worship "the world". The bible stands in its own "prima facie" defense and is innocent of your ad hominem accusations until you can present the objective facts in evidence to prove the bible is filled with untruths as you claim.

Jesus declared His words would remain until the end of time. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS will never by no means pass away." -- Luke 23:33

And the prima facie evidence of this statement makes it more than true. Today.........Christianity, as directed by THE WORDS OF JESUS encompasses over 1/3 of the world's total population, with the Bible......the record of Jesus' words, being the bestselling work of literature to ever exist upon earth. What % of the population does atheism represent in comparison to the world population? Less that 7%. What happened to a consensus (such as global warming claims) making truth?

To preach bigotry and tyranny as you are attempting.......you must be the one in control as with any good despot, but you are in the vast "minority". Is the Bible the 1st book you would toss on your fascist fire?

 

[Stann]

Now all you have to do........is prove these eyewitnesses to the "majesty" of Jesus Christ and His words were not telling the truth....when they witnessed Jesus speaking these words. (2 Peter 1:16)

Indeed, some 40 men are responsible for placing a pin to paper in recording all they were directed to record but all were "inspired of God" (2 Tim. 3:16) as directed by their Helper, the Holy Spirit of Truth (as commissioned by Jesus Himself --John 14:16-17) who was repeating to men what He had been instructed/directed to repeat from Heaven (and as to today.........not one word of the Holy Scriptures has been debunked by a presentation of History Actual or Applied Science. The Bible remains "unbroken" after 3500 years of continued attacks from those who worship "the world". The bible stands in its own "prima facie" defense and is innocent of your ad hominem accusations until you can present the objective facts in evidence to prove the bible is filled with untruths as you claim.

Jesus declared His words would remain until the end of time. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS will never by no means pass away." -- Luke 23:33

And the prima facie evidence of this statement makes it more than true. Today.........Christianity, as directed by THE WORDS OF JESUS encompasses over 1/3 of the world's total population, with the Bible......the record of Jesus' words, being the bestselling work of literature to ever exist upon earth. What % of the population does atheism represent in comparison to the world population? Less that 7%. What happened to a consensus (such as global warming claims) making truth?

To preach bigotry and tyranny as you are attempting.......you must be the one in control as with any good despot, but you are in the vast "minority". Is the Bible the 1st book you would toss on your fascist fire?

The bible is the greatest tool of the devil ( if he ever existed ). In other words the work of evil men. Jesus said two very important rules in his philosophy, 1. Love one another and 2. Do not judge. Love and let live. That's the only way everyone could ever live in peace. The bible didn't follow through on that. I'm certain Jesus never wanted to establish another hateful / judgemental religion, bit a new way to live.

 

[Stann]

Hate and ignorance are the default attitudes of the human race.

As we see over and over again in these posts.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus was a communist? Since when do communists solicit the belief in Father in Heaven and to believe on him? Communists are atheists by definition. They are the supreme God for them. Jesus was not a socialist either. Socialism and Capitalism are earthly constructs of secular government economies. Jesus taught to freely give to help others, especially if you are rich. But, he never demanded tithing and offerings or be thrown in jail. He taught to freely give.

Jesus taught to freely give to help others, especially if you are rich.

if it is religion, jesus would not have used "freely give" in their discourse ... as the means for pleasing the heavens.

liberation theology, self determination the events those people were willing to die for in the 1st century is certainly a derivative of a theological communism that indeed is deliberately omitted from the c-bible that no doubt is a core reason for their uninterrupted history of persecution and victimization of the innocent.

 

[Clyde 154]

The bible is the greatest tool of the devil ( if he ever existed ). In other words the work of evil men. Jesus said two very important rules in his philosophy, 1. Love one another and 2. Do not judge. Love and let live. That's the only way everyone could ever live in peace. The bible didn't follow through on that. I'm certain Jesus never wanted to establish another hateful / judgemental religion, bit a new way to live.

Is it not funny? The very first thing attempted by those who attack the holy scriptures as being untrue.......is an attempt to prove their argument by quoting from a source they, themselves, are arguing is "untrue".........the Holy Bible. I suggest you pick a lane and stay there.....or demonstrate to me just how you came to the conclusion that Jesus' philosophy is 1. Love 2. Do not Judge? Correct Me if I am wrong........did you not just construct a triad of words JUDGING THE CONTENT OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES? Ever hear of circular reasoning based upon a false premise/logical fallacy? Your false premise? Faith does not come from hearing and hearing by the word of God.........you are just innately gifted with Jesus' philosophy........you did not learn it, you were birthed with Jesus in your heart

Fact: The ideas bouncing around in your head could have never congnitively gestated in your capacity to reason............if the holy scriptures had not revealed to you what you consider to be truth. I perceive the only thing you are actually angry about is the actual content in the Holy Scriptures concerning Judgement.....which you have grossly misrepresented by taking them out of context and away form the integrity of the contextual subject matter concerning JUDGEMENT.

One could never live in this world without making judgements, some are correct, some are grossly in error........one judgement for instance is Jesus' position on Judgement. Know the facts before making a judgement on judgement.

You claim Jesus' position is to never judge another person. In reality, Jesus declares that you should not judge unless you render "righteous judgements". In other words, why point out the faults of another when you have the same fault or sin existing in your on life.......first remove the plank from your own eye instead of concerning yourself with the speck in the eye of the one you are judging.

"Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement (John 7:24) Clearly meaning......KNOW YOUR FACTS before making any charge or judgement against another.

I suspect that you are engaging in certain acts that are revealed in the Holy Scriptures to be sinful in nature....and you want to define yourself as a righteous, honest person in spite of the scriptures judging you as a sinner. News flash.........everyone sins and you are a liar if you say you do not sin (1 John 1:10). Not one person on earth is worthy of salvation, everyone in their lifetime freely decides to sin at some point.........all the Laws found in scripture do is DEFINE what God considers unrighteousness........or sin and it is enacted when you break one of these eternally existing laws.

The difference between a Christian and YOU (a clear reprobate)? We admit to our faults and ask the Christ to stand between God and our sinful nature.......and REPENT or turn away from sin. Then Jesus is sure to forgive us, not because we deserve it, but, because God loved the world so much He gave His only begotten son to stand in place as payment for the sins of the world. (1 John 2:2) There has been only one man, ever born of a woman, born under the law that lived His entire life from cradle to grave.....without sinning once even though He was tempted as are all men (Hebrews 4:15-16)

As long as you refuse to turn away from whatever sin you think condemns you as found in the holy scriptures.......you will maintain a reprobate mentality. When it fact, its YOU that needs God, not the inverse, God needs nothing from man (Acts17:25).

 

[Cougarbear]

Jesus's philosophy was communistic, nothing to do with politics. As a carpenter and workman he was a capitalist, I'm sure he didn't work for free. Skilled workers such as carpenters were highly valued throughout the Roman Empire.

LOL! There are other words to use that are not associated with communists. Mormons use a term called "United Order" in which all of our time, talents and income are to give to everyone in the community their wants and needs. Notice I wrote "wants." Also, no one is forced to be in this "Order." All freely choose to give all to the community. The Order would also be run specifically by God so all are compensated fairly and justly. It was tried by Mormons but failed. So, they went to something else known as the law of consecration. Tithing and Fast Offerings are given freely to the Church to build up the kingdom of God on the earth. Note, I wrote "freely give." Thus, nothing communistic about Jesus philosophy. Communistic would demand forceful denial of free will to give or not to give to the whole. Yes, he was a capitalist with a social welfare teaching.

 

[Cougarbear]

if it is religion, jesus would not have used "freely give" in their discourse ... as the means for pleasing the heavens.

liberation theology, self determination the events those people were willing to die for in the 1st century is certainly a derivative of a theological communism that indeed is deliberately omitted from the c-bible that no doubt is a core reason for their uninterrupted history of persecution and victimization of the innocent.

No, there is no communism involved with the church of Jesus Christ. In communism, all actions by the followers were done so freely. They chose. With communism, the government chooses everything including whether you live or die as the tens of millions of people who died under Stalin and Mao found out. As Muslims and Christians in China are finding out under XI's communism. Now, what the Roman Catholic Church did with this is more communistic as they did make people comply or die, get put on stretch racks and so on. But, that Church apostacized and was no longer following Jesus Christ's teachings.

 

[Stann]

Is it not funny? The very first thing attempted by those who attack the holy scriptures as being untrue.......is an attempt to prove their argument by quoting from a source they, themselves, are arguing is "untrue".........the Holy Bible. I suggest you pick a lane and stay there.....or demonstrate to me just how you came to the conclusion that Jesus' philosophy is 1. Love 2. Do not Judge? Correct Me if I am wrong........did you not just construct a triad of words JUDGING THE CONTENT OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES? Ever hear of circular reasoning based upon a false premise/logical fallacy? Your false premise? Faith does not come from hearing and hearing by the word of God.........you are just innately gifted with Jesus' philosophy........you did not learn it, you were birthed with Jesus in your heart

Fact: The ideas bouncing around in your head could have never congnitively gestated in your capacity to reason............if the holy scriptures had not revealed to you what you consider to be truth. I perceive the only thing you are actually angry about is the actual content in the Holy Scriptures concerning Judgement.....which you have grossly misrepresented by taking them out of context and away form the integrity of the contextual subject matter concerning JUDGEMENT.

One could never live in this world without making judgements, some are correct, some are grossly in error........one judgement for instance is Jesus' position on Judgement. Know the facts before making a judgement on judgement.

You claim Jesus' position is to never judge another person. In reality, Jesus declares that you should not judge unless you render "righteous judgements". In other words, why point out the faults of another when you have the same fault or sin existing in your on life.......first remove the plank from your own eye instead of concerning yourself with the speck in the eye of the one you are judging.

"Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement (John 7:24) Clearly meaning......KNOW YOUR FACTS before making any charge or judgement against another.

I suspect that you are engaging in certain acts that are revealed in the Holy Scriptures to be sinful in nature....and you want to define yourself as a righteous, honest person in spite of the scriptures judging you as a sinner. News flash.........everyone sins and you are a liar if you say you do not sin (1 John 1:10). Not one person on earth is worthy of salvation, everyone in their lifetime freely decides to sin at some point.........all the Laws found in scripture do is DEFINE what God considers unrighteousness........or sin and it is enacted when you break one of these eternally existing laws.

The difference between a Christian and YOU (a clear reprobate)? We admit to our faults and ask the Christ to stand between God and our sinful nature.......and REPENT or turn away from sin. Then Jesus is sure to forgive us, not because we deserve it, but, because God loved the world so much He gave His only begotten son to stand in place as payment for the sins of the world. (1 John 2:2) There has been only one man, ever born of a woman, born under the law that lived His entire life from cradle to grave.....without sinning once even though He was tempted as are all men (Hebrews 4:15-16)

As long as you refuse to turn away from whatever sin you think condemns you as found in the holy scriptures.......you will maintain a reprobate mentality. When it fact, its YOU that needs God, not the inverse, God needs nothing from man (Acts17:25).

A judged a book that has only caused this world harm since it's conception, you are judging people.

 

[Clyde 154]

A judged a book that has only caused this world harm since it's conception, you are judging people.

I am still awaiting your objective evidences in fact that proved the eyewitnesses of Christ's majesty are lying.
Again........for someone that claims they do not believe in using judgements......you sure do engage in a great deal of judging. LMAO What do you call your "Ad Hominem" attack against the Holy Scriptures......if not Judgement? FYI: I defy you to point to one passage in the N.T. that endorses any action that would "unjustly" bring harm to anyone or any nation.

There are no such passages to be found in the 27 books of the N.T. covenant. You are guilty of charging those who do not follow the doctrine described in scriptures as representing the actual content of the Holy Scriptures.......such as Hitler, who claimed to be Christian and Mussolini who declared himself an atheist in one breath and made Roman Catholicism the national religion in the next breath, or the Roman Catholic leadership that brought the world the non-scriptural un-authorized events such as the Crusades and Inquisitions......or the FAKE TV evangelists who state, "God loves you, but send your money to my address......my private jet needs fuel or one of my several mansions requires repair.........

Simply because someone claims to be a Christian does not make them a Christian. The vast majority of such people are "bat shit" crazy and pretend that they Talk to God and He answers....when the only way to know the will of God TODAY is to read from the Holy Scriptures and apply the only true Christian Doctrine, which can make the man of God perfect in comprehending the will of God in leading one into a righteous life. (2 Tim. 2:15-16), the scriptures must be rightly divided.......All scripture is inspired of God and profitable (as compared to unprofitable) for Doctrine, Teaching, Instruction, Correction. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

As Paul stated, "But thou O man of God, flee from these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness......." -- 1 Tim. 6:11

 

[Cougarbear]

A judged a book that has only caused this world harm since it's conception, you are judging people.

The Bible hasn't caused anyone harm. It's a book. You are claiming that those who have used the Bible to harm people are not guilty of the harm they caused. Typical liberal, leftist, atheist blaming an object rather than those that use the object for the wrong reasons. Just like the gun debate. Blaming the guns rather than the ones who use the guns to hurt people. Then, let the criminals out of jail to commit more gun violence.

Actually, it's God's plan of salvation and exaltation for us to dwell in a world of good and evil. Without both, we would not be able to choose good or evil, virtue or vice, pleasure or pain, righteousness or wickedness and yes, even life or death. But, it is our choice which to choose. Removing good or evil would thwart this plan for us to choose how we will spend our afterlife.

 

[Stann]

I am still awaiting your objective evidences in fact that proved the eyewitnesses of Christ's majesty are lying.
Again........for someone that claims they do not believe in using judgements......you sure do engage in a great deal of judging. LMAO What do you call your "Ad Hominem" attack against the Holy Scriptures......if not Judgement? FYI: I defy you to point to one passage in the N.T. that endorses any action that would "unjustly" bring harm to anyone or any nation.

There are no such passages to be found in the 27 books of the N.T. covenant. You are guilty of charging those who do not follow the doctrine described in scriptures as representing the actual content of the Holy Scriptures.......such as Hitler, who claimed to be Christian and Mussolini who declared himself an atheist in one breath and made Roman Catholicism the national religion in the next breath, or the Roman Catholic leadership that brought the world the non-scriptural un-authorized events such as the Crusades and Inquisitions......or the FAKE TV evangelists who state, "God loves you, but send your money to my address......my private jet needs fuel or one of my several mansions requires repair.........

Simply because someone claims to be a Christian does not make them a Christian. The vast majority of such people are "bat shit" crazy and pretend that they Talk to God and He answers....when the only way to know the will of God TODAY is to read from the Holy Scriptures and apply the only true Christian Doctrine, which can make the man of God perfect in comprehending the will of God in leading one into a righteous life. (2 Tim. 2:15-16), the scriptures must be rightly divided.......All scripture is inspired of God and profitable (as compared to unprofitable) for Doctrine, Teaching, Instruction, Correction. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

As Paul stated, "But thou O man of God, flee from these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness......." -- 1 Tim. 6:11

Like I've always said believe whatever you wish. Try not to think at all. Ignore all the inconsistencies in your belief system you want. It's no sweat off my back. And so-called scripture ( god's beliefs ) is not holy and definitely is not the word of any real god. Just a figment of man's imagination I appreciate a more natural and real concept of GOD. An entity so powerful to put the physical universe in place of itself would have no relatable consciousness to the human race on this tiny obscure planet. Not would it desire such a thing, that is simply a hope of those will very little faith on themselves.

 

[BreezeWood]

No, there is no communism involved with the church of Jesus Christ. In communism, all actions by the followers were done so freely. They chose. With communism, the government chooses everything including whether you live or die as the tens of millions of people who died under Stalin and Mao found out. As Muslims and Christians in China are finding out under XI's communism. Now, what the Roman Catholic Church did with this is more communistic as they did make people comply or die, get put on stretch racks and so on. But, that Church apostacized and was no longer following Jesus Christ's teachings.

the christian religion is based on servitude to their definition of a messiah, jesus is just an afterthought used in the persuasion of their document, no different than your false claim concerning communism.

there were many others persecuted and victimized than jesus during that time not one of them for a messiah that did not occur till the 4th century document with not one word included from the person they claim, claimed to be a messiah ... nor a stone tablet or any other article by them with such a claim.

 

[GreatestIam]

The bible is the greatest tool of the devil ( if he ever existed ). In other words the work of evil men. Jesus said two very important rules in his philosophy, 1. Love one another and 2. Do not judge. Love and let live. That's the only way everyone could ever live in peace. The bible didn't follow through on that. I'm certain Jesus never wanted to establish another hateful / judgemental religion, bit a new way to live.

???

You say not to judge, while judging what Jesus was after and giving us your opinion/judgement.

Live and let live means you would walk by evil without doing anything about it.

Regards
DL

 

[Stann]

???

You say not to judge, while judging what Jesus was after and giving us your opinion/judgement.

Live and let live means you would walk by evil without doing anything about it.

Regards
DL

If that evil attempted to harm me, I would defend myself.

 

[GreatestIam]

If that evil attempted to harm me, I would defend myself.

??

Your honor and duty is all about you, yet you would trash it.

Ok. Let your child or your neighbors child get raped.

Or am I getting your English wrong?

Regards
DL

 

[Clyde 154]

Like I've always said believe whatever you wish. Try not to think at all. Ignore all the inconsistencies in your belief system you want. It's no sweat off my back. And so-called scripture ( god's beliefs ) is not holy and definitely is not the word of any real god. Just a figment of man's imagination I appreciate a more natural and real concept of GOD. An entity so powerful to put the physical universe in place of itself would have no relatable consciousness to the human race on this tiny obscure planet. Not would it desire such a thing, that is simply a hope of those will very little faith on themselves.

Yeah..........that's why you never replied. The very fact that you respond contradicts your own words. You attack someone for their religious faith......and accuse void of any objectivity whatsoever. FYI: Even the Holy Scriptures have the right of self defense. I simply present the "actual content" of the scriptures in defending the faith against false accusations. Why bother? It's commanded of the Christian, "Always be ready to give an explanation/defense to anyone who asks for a reason for you hope..............having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile you (negative information) in Christ might be put to shame." -- 1 Peter 3:15-16.

Put to shame? Such as pointing out that you are more guilty of unrighteousness in judgment than those you are falsely accusing through Ad Hominem subjectivity, and worse, you are guilty of Blatant Fabrications when you attempt to claim that the N.T. Holy Scriptures promote violence, hate and warfare. Again something easy to demonstrate.......just point out the book, chapter and verse that proves the Holy Scriptures propagate violence, hate and warfare.

As explain, based upon the prima facie evidence of your own words.......you simply do not like being judged by the actual words of the Holy Scriptures in whatever sin you might be undertaking. Thus, your REPROBATE (without moral scruples) projection.