Zone1 Which came first, Christianity or Judaism?

[Votto]

This^ was one of several times he so badly angered the Jews that they tried to kill Him.

Socrates, who lived thousands of years before Christ, once said that if a righteous man who spoke the truth walked the earth, the masses would murder him.

So yea, they murdered Socrates as well for speaking what he believed the truth. All he had to do was recant and they would have spared him, but he died for what he believed to be the truth.

Truth has a way of pissing people off.

Funny that.

 

[EMH]

In fact, the concept of a Moshiach (what yáll call a "messiah") isn't an original core tenet of Judaism. The concept springs from the 2nd Temple era, and was a fringe believe of Jewish eschatology. The first reference to a Moshiach as a core belief of Judaism was from Maimonides in the 12th Century CE.

Jews have nominated many potential candidates for Moshiach, among them, Cyrus the Great and Simon bar Kokhba. Xtians and Muslims have even more candidates claiming to be the messiah, most of which were pretty crazy

List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And the list of "anti Christs" is even longer, over 200...

 

[EMH]

Truth has a way of pissing people off

So does getting bilked out of "everything," and being forced to live in a hut, STFU, and eat whatever you are given, even if that is a tiny portion of fish and a bite of bread, which is when the whole fraud blew up. How did "Son of God" run out of food?

 

[EMH]

jesus was never a jew -



what he taught was neither christianity nor judiasm - the c-bible is written by those that crucified him.

judiaism is the corruption of a single individual, moses that for the heavenly objective set in the beginning by the journey of a&e for self determination the liar moses will either be deemed the greatest criminal of all time or humanity will perish in extinction.

Moses, rescued by Midianites.... then turns around, attacks and exterminates Midian.

A lot like Trump, who trusted Jews Chris Wray, ZPF Jeff Sessions, John Bolton, Milley, and got stabbed in the back by all of them...

 

[EMH]

Yes, this show how they rejected him though he spoke the truth.

Never mind he was STARVING HIS FLOCK because as "Son of God" he ran out of food...

 

[EMH]

Seriously? How do you come to this conclusion? I think you are confusing His church with His example.

Where TF did "everything" go then??

Good grief.

Give up everything and follow me = WHO GOT EVERYTHING = DUH....

Who was observed living it up at the BROTHEL spending all that "everything" and then ran out of everything = money and ran out of food.... but had enough $$ for some loaves of bread, but had to go out in a boat to fish...

The whole last supper is complete BS. The fraud expired when he ran out of food. Judas was the one disciple who couldn't help Jesus starve 5000 morons to death, which is what he was doing...

 

[EMH]

The Apostle Paul tells us that the God of Moses was none other than Jesus Christ

Time travel. Was Michael J Fox around too?

 

[Lisa558]

This^ was one of several times he so badly angered the Jews that they tried to kill Him.

I doubt Jesus even said that.

 

[Votto]

So does getting bilked out of "everything," and being forced to live in a hut, STFU, and eat whatever you are given, even if that is a tiny portion of fish and a bite of bread, which is when the whole fraud blew up. How did "Son of God" run out of food?

You hate Jews. Admit it and move on.

The story of Moses was a story of God setting people free from the bondage of the Egyptian state. At that time, most everyone was either a slave of the state or a slave to the state's war machine and military. This is all man is capable of minus God. God then set them free, and gave them the Sabbath which was a day of freedom for not only all men, but animals too. This was unheard of in the ancient world, and without it, we would not have one or two days from not working as well.

And when God gave the Hebrew nation their Promised land, they demanded a king to be just like Egypt as they rejected their God from being king over them. God then warned them of all the abuses that would follow having a human king, like the one in Egypt that enslaved them all, but they would not listen, so God gave them what they demanded, which was Saul to be king over them.

The Hebrew nation only lasted a few more kings until it dissolved as their nation spiraled down the drain into an abyss of eventually finding themselves in the ovens of Nazi Germany. Christ came but they rejected him, just like they rejected God in 1 Samuel 8, so nothing new there. But he will come again and finally set things straight once and for all.

But I realize you reject all things pertaining to Jews. Haters gonna hate.

 

[surada]

Christianity was born of out Judaism which was thousands of years older. In fact, Jesus was. a Rabbi so I'm not sure what this question is about.

It wasn't thousands of years older.

 

[EMH]

You hate Jews.

The instinctive card toss of the church of the unChosen moron.

Nobody quotes Einstein more here.

Not all Jews are Zionist Fascists.

Zionist Fascists are America's problem, including their army of moron card tossers....

God then set them free

What bullshit. Exodus starts with a huge battle. The Egyptian army is up in Turkey fighting the Hittites.

Another Jew of truth and distinction - Dr. Richard Gabriel.... has it down...

 

[Woodznutz]

jesus was never a jew -

Bible says he was a Jew (Judahite). He never was a Judaizer however.

 

[Woodznutz]

So does getting bilked out of "everything," and being forced to live in a hut, STFU, and eat whatever you are given, even if that is a tiny portion of fish and a bite of bread, which is when the whole fraud blew up. How did "Son of God" run out of food?

Only the twelve disciples 'gave up everything' to follow Christ.

 

[Woodznutz]

Where TF did "everything" go then??

Good grief.

Give up everything and follow me = WHO GOT EVERYTHING = DUH....

Who was observed living it up at the BROTHEL spending all that "everything" and then ran out of everything = money and ran out of food.... but had enough $$ for some loaves of bread, but had to go out in a boat to fish...

The whole last supper is complete BS. The fraud expired when he ran out of food. Judas was the one disciple who couldn't help Jesus starve 5000 morons to death, which is what he was doing...

If I remember correctly Jesus fed them.

 

[Woodznutz]

You hate Jews. Admit it and move on.

The story of Moses was a story of God setting people free from the bondage of the Egyptian state. At that time, most everyone was either a slave of the state or a slave to the state's war machine and military. This is all man is capable of minus God. God then set them free, and gave them the Sabbath which was a day of freedom for not only all men, but animals too. This was unheard of in the ancient world, and without it, we would not have one or two days from not working as well.

And when God gave the Hebrew nation their Promised land, they demanded a king to be just like Egypt as they rejected their God from being king over them. God then warned them of all the abuses that would follow having a human king, like the one in Egypt that enslaved them all, but they would not listen, so God gave them what they demanded, which was Saul to be king over them.

The Hebrew nation only lasted a few more kings until it dissolved as their nation spiraled down the drain into an abyss of eventually finding themselves in the ovens of Nazi Germany. Christ came but they rejected him, just like they rejected God in 1 Samuel 8, so nothing new there. But he will come again and finally set things straight once and for all.

But I realize you reject all things pertaining to Jews. Haters gonna hate.

Most of the descendants of the "Hebrew nation" (Israel) are doing well. Only the Jews have suffered the atrocity of the Holocaust.

 

[Blues Man]

Judaism points to the Messiah, without a Messiah there is no “Judaism”.

Elijah was prophesied to return before the Lord. (Malachi)

Elijah and Moses appeared before Jesus. (Luke 9)

So Jews were told of, and believed in the coming Messiah. So in a since they were Christians, believers in the coming Christ, even if they didn’t fully understand it.

The Jews during Jesus’s time either believed he was the Messiah, or did not. The real Jews that did were Christians. Those that didn’t were anti-Christs.

Jews do not accept Jesus as their messiah therefore they are still waiting.

You all have to face that fact that Jews and Christians worship different gods

 

[Woodznutz]

It wasn't thousands of years older.

The pattern of substitutionary sacrifice that would be fulfilled in Jesus Christ began in the Garden. Judaism began with the sect of the Pharisees about 150 years before Jesus appeared in the flesh. God was setting the stage for his death.

 

[JustAGuy1]

There is actually a 30-50 year period of "WTF" before it starts...

It did not start at death.

St. Paul's bullshit hallucination was a "catalyst" and was complete bull because THERE WERE NO SUPPORTERS OF JESUS IN JUDEA.... but there was an idea to create a "religion for unChosen MORONS"

I'm sensing some hostility here......

 

[Lisa558]

It wasn't thousands of years older.

Well, 1500 years earlier. Moses lived about 3500 years ago and Jesus 2000.

 

[BreezeWood]

jesus was never a jew -

Bible says he was a Jew (Judahite). He never was a Judaizer however.

I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill the laws.

the crucifiers claim otherwise, their book of forgeries and fallacies ... the 1st century, liberation theology, self determination - more fittingly in the view of christianity ... never existed.