“Where Tyranny Begins.”

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A lot of people seem to have forgotten what made Donald Trump’s presidency so dangerous. Wasn’t it just a lot of loudmouthed name-calling, like tweeting that his own secretary of state was “dumb as a rock”? What did he do that was so terrible after all? NATO is intact, inflammatory policies like the so-called Muslim ban and the southern border wall were mostly thwarted, and the economy did well, at least until Covid. We survived — right?

It’s true that the Trump presidency generated hysteria and hyperbole on both sides of the political divide. But it also produced real threats to the Constitution and the rule of law. So it’s incumbent on us to separate the bluster from the genuine menace, the sound and fury from the specific, palpable ways that Trump damaged American democracy.

In “Where Tyranny Begins,” David Rohde, a longtime foreign correspondent and national security reporter now with NBC News, takes up one very serious assault on democratic norms under Trump: the naked politicization of the Justice Department.

Trump was the first president since Nixon to utterly reject the idea that federal law enforcement should operate independently of the president’s personal desires or prejudices. Rather, he sought to use the attorney general, special prosecutors, U.S. attorneys and the F.B.I. as instruments to help himself and his friends and to punish his enemies.


Hyperbole on both sides, I think that's a fair assessment. And it hurt the credibility of the very real observations made about the threat Don posed and poses, then and now.

No doubt Don's minions will counter with the well worn lies about Biden weaponizing the DoJ against Individual 1. But the proof is in the pudding and the bowl is empty. The DoJ had no control over the decisions made by disparate grand juries when they recommended indictments against trump and his co-defendants.

The author delineates some of trump's more serious abuses..........Trump fired the F.B.I. director James Comey after learning that the agency was investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. He browbeat Attorney General Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the inquiry. He threatened to sack the special prosecutor, Robert Mueller. He had his next attorney general, William Barr, name another special prosecutor to investigate F.B.I. agents involved in the Russia probe. He punished agency officials, like the deputy director Andrew McCabe, who Trump believed conspired against him. He pardoned Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and other cronies. He pressured Barr and other Justice officials to abet his schemes to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
 
Don’s awful but as bad as he is, he might actually be better than Kamala. That’s how bad she is. Totally controlled by the billionaires and the deep state.

Don does suck really bad. It’s the way of the duopoly. Two really shitty candidates every four years.

In actuality, Trump when in the White House continued the neocon Obama’s policies on Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, China, and virtually all other foreign-policy matters. (He also continued the neocon G.W. Bush’s war against Iraq.) He didn’t reject and reverse ANY of them, and in some instances (such as Iran, Venezuela, Israel, and China) made them even worse. Furthermore, his first achievement as the President was to make with the Sauds the all-time world’s biggest ever armaments sale of $350 billion in U.S.-made weapons to the Saud Government. Furthermore, he believes that torture is an effective interrogation tactic to get the truth out of a suspect — which is itself the opposite of the truth (and it shows how ignorant he is — scarily so, for a U.S. President). He really does believe that might makes right, and that the powerful are superior to their victims. It’s not merely a Democratic-Party meme that he is; he really is like that.
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NBC news doesn't like Trump. What else is new? Tyranny happens when a president (FDR) incarcerates innocent people without due process. Tyranny happens when a president (Clinton) uses tanks and poison gas against American citizens. Tyranny happens when a mentally impaired president (Biden) shuts down schools and threatens Church goers for congregating, fires military members and government workers for refusing to take a dangerous jab and arrests people for not wearing useless masks.
 
Are you suggesting some facts in the story are in error? If so, what are they?
I'm suggesting left wing biased spin and media compliance and I'm giving evidence of real tyranny that NBC apparently thought was OK as long as it was a democrat administration.
 
I'm suggesting left wing biased spin and media compliance
Right. But you provide no evidence of it. Someone on NBC interviewed the author of a book about trump's corruption of the DoJ. What exactly was in error?
 
Right. But you provide no evidence of it. Someone on NBC interviewed the author of a book about trump's corruption of the DoJ. What exactly was in error?
They can not say
 

H.R. McMaster Doesn’t Think Donald Trump Is Very Good at Making Deals


Recently on the campaign trail, Donald Trump has talked up his aggressive stance on China, positioning himself as a tough negotiator in a brutal trade war. But a new memoir by Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, one of Trump’s national security advisers, throws that narrative, and many other stories that Trump tells about his time in office, into stark relief.

As McMaster writes in “At War With Ourselves,” the president could sometimes be kept on the straight and narrow with a clever dose of reverse psychology (Xi Jinping wants you to say this, Xi Jinping wants you to say that). But just as often, McMaster shows Trump to have been an unpredictable waffler who undermined himself to the advantage of his competitors on the world stage.

In November 2017, President Trump visited China on the third leg of a 13-day trip around Asia. It was his “most consequential” destination, McMaster explains. As they flew to Beijing, he warned Trump that Xi would try to trick him into saying something that was good for China, but bad for the United States and its allies. “The C.C.P.’s favorite phrase, ‘win-win,’” he recalls telling his boss at one point, “actually meant that China won twice.”


Another former member of trump's admin exposes Don's inadequacies as a prez. More examples of what made trump the most unqualified prez in US history.
 
It’s true that the Trump presidency generated hysteria and hyperbole on both sides of the political divide. But it also produced real threats to the Constitution and the rule of law. So it’s incumbent on us to separate the bluster from the genuine menace, the sound and fury from the specific, palpable ways that Trump damaged American democracy.
That's true, as long as we remember that this has never really been about Trump himself. It's never about one guy. This has been about the people who enable him (by playing to his profound, debilitating insecurities) for their own gain.

And we know that his return to the White House would be far more dangerous because he would carefully surround himself with intense loyalists who would not only enable him, but actively contribute to the Alt Right agenda. Hell, I'd guess Stephen Miller would be a moderate.

In his words, "retribution".
 
Trump is the least qualified person to ever RUN for President let alone serve as one
 
A lot of people seem to have forgotten what made Donald Trump’s presidency so dangerous. Wasn’t it just a lot of loudmouthed name-calling, like tweeting that his own secretary of state was “dumb as a rock”? What did he do that was so terrible after all? NATO is intact, inflammatory policies like the so-called Muslim ban and the southern border wall were mostly thwarted, and the economy did well, at least until Covid. We survived — right?

It’s true that the Trump presidency generated hysteria and hyperbole on both sides of the political divide. But it also produced real threats to the Constitution and the rule of law. So it’s incumbent on us to separate the bluster from the genuine menace, the sound and fury from the specific, palpable ways that Trump damaged American democracy.

In “Where Tyranny Begins,” David Rohde, a longtime foreign correspondent and national security reporter now with NBC News, takes up one very serious assault on democratic norms under Trump: the naked politicization of the Justice Department.

Trump was the first president since Nixon to utterly reject the idea that federal law enforcement should operate independently of the president’s personal desires or prejudices. Rather, he sought to use the attorney general, special prosecutors, U.S. attorneys and the F.B.I. as instruments to help himself and his friends and to punish his enemies.


Hyperbole on both sides, I think that's a fair assessment. And it hurt the credibility of the very real observations made about the threat Don posed and poses, then and now.

No doubt Don's minions will counter with the well worn lies about Biden weaponizing the DoJ against Individual 1. But the proof is in the pudding and the bowl is empty. The DoJ had no control over the decisions made by disparate grand juries when they recommended indictments against trump and his co-defendants.

The author delineates some of trump's more serious abuses..........Trump fired the F.B.I. director James Comey after learning that the agency was investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. He browbeat Attorney General Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the inquiry. He threatened to sack the special prosecutor, Robert Mueller. He had his next attorney general, William Barr, name another special prosecutor to investigate F.B.I. agents involved in the Russia probe. He punished agency officials, like the deputy director Andrew McCabe, who Trump believed conspired against him. He pardoned Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and other cronies. He pressured Barr and other Justice officials to abet his schemes to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
Tyranny begins with a hard core Marxist being selected as the presidential " nominee" who has never earned a single vote in a primary.
 
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