Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[eots]

Thanks for confirming (again).

I just find it remarkable that faced with facts supporting biological evolution, you're left stuttering and mumbling as you simply have no counter argument.

I DON'T find it amazing that when you're challenged to provide proof and can't, your only response is personal attacks and empty remarks. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to explain how one species became another.

I see you're still defending both your self imposed ignorance and the goofy conspiracy theories about science so common among Christian Taliban.

sounds like you are the one with the conspiracy...goofy

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

 

[Hollie]

I can't imagine why you think I'd waste the time on an invincibly ignorant batshit crazy.

If you refuse to understand the clear explanations you've already had nor can explain what you can't understand about them then there's not much point further explaining the reality based world.

Perhaps you should look at faith based stories of the world, then you won't have to bother about demanding evidence based explanations you can't understand.

I'm sure you'll be happier in fantasy land where every question has the same easy to remember answer.

'YWHW done it', in case you were wondering.

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Yours is a common error among the science illiterate.

science literate.. is that taking a theory offered and regurgitating it back?

No. That be would taking a well supported scientific theory and presenting it to you folks who make up the fringe loon component of the space alien conspiracy theorists.

I'm convinced you fundamentalist loons have no clue as to just how pathetic your denial of facts makes you appear.

 

[Hollie]

I just find it remarkable that faced with facts supporting biological evolution, you're left stuttering and mumbling as you simply have no counter argument.

I DON'T find it amazing that when you're challenged to provide proof and can't, your only response is personal attacks and empty remarks. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to explain how one species became another.

I see you're still defending both your self imposed ignorance and the goofy conspiracy theories about science so common among Christian Taliban.

sounds like you are the one with the conspiracy...goofy

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

And you're simply cutting and pasting the same nonsense you cut and pasted previously. You're just another pointless spammer.

 

[eots]

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Yours is a common error among the science illiterate.

science literate.. is that taking a theory offered and regurgitating it back?

No. That be would taking a well supported scientific theory and presenting it to you folks who make up the fringe loon component of the space alien conspiracy theorists.

I'm convinced you fundamentalist loons have no clue as to just how pathetic your denial of facts makes you appear.

what "well supported scientific theory "did I present to "folks who make up the fringe loon component of the space alien conspiracy" ?

 

[orogenicman]

irrelevant ? it is the supposed cosmic evolution that lead to our earthly and human evolution is it not ?

It is the best current knowledge, but who knows? In any case it is irrelevant to a discussion on the evidence for evolution.

so you are convinced with certainty on the mainstream science random accident theory of creation at the primordial soup stage ?

Biochemical reactions are not random, but rather, obey the laws and principles of physics and chemistry.

then in a controlled environment you should nave no problem creating a one cell lil beasty...get at it

And one day in the not too distant future we will be able to do just that.

 

[eots]

I DON'T find it amazing that when you're challenged to provide proof and can't, your only response is personal attacks and empty remarks. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to explain how one species became another.

I see you're still defending both your self imposed ignorance and the goofy conspiracy theories about science so common among Christian Taliban.

sounds like you are the one with the conspiracy...goofy

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

And you're simply cutting and pasting the same nonsense you cut and pasted previously. You're just another pointless spammer.

the spammer is the one that keeps trolling babble about alien conspiracy every third post

 

[orogenicman]

Still waiting for you to explain it in your own words. Cat got your tongue?

I can't imagine why you think I'd waste the time on an invincibly ignorant batshit crazy.

If you refuse to understand the clear explanations you've already had nor can explain what you can't understand about them then there's not much point further explaining the reality based world.

Perhaps you should look at faith based stories of the world, then you won't have to bother about demanding evidence based explanations you can't understand.

I'm sure you'll be happier in fantasy land where every question has the same easy to remember answer.

'YWHW done it', in case you were wondering.

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. You didn't know this? Huh.

 

[eots]

irrelevant ? it is the supposed cosmic evolution that lead to our earthly and human evolution is it not ?

It is the best current knowledge, but who knows? In any case it is irrelevant to a discussion on the evidence for evolution.

so you are convinced with certainty on the mainstream science random accident theory of creation at the primordial soup stage ?

Biochemical reactions are not random, but rather, obey the laws and principles of physics and chemistry.

then in a controlled environment you should nave no problem creating a one cell lil beasty...get at it

And one day in the not too distant future we will be able to do just that.

thats your version of saying Jesus is going to be here soon ...lol

 

[orogenicman]

[...] BTW, I'm still waiting for you to explain how one species became another.

You've had that explained. How about you explaining why you can't understand it?

You haven't explained a damn thing.

The explanations have been provided. You just find it perfectly acceptable to defend your ignorance.

some offered the reasons for thier belifes

And what is the reason for your belief?

 

[orogenicman]

It is the best current knowledge, but who knows? In any case it is irrelevant to a discussion on the evidence for evolution.

so you are convinced with certainty on the mainstream science random accident theory of creation at the primordial soup stage ?

Biochemical reactions are not random, but rather, obey the laws and principles of physics and chemistry.

then in a controlled environment you should nave no problem creating a one cell lil beasty...get at it

And one day in the not too distant future we will be able to do just that.

thats your version of saying Jesus is going to be here soon ...lol

No, that's you projecting your failed beliefs on others.

 

[Hollie]

I see you're still defending both your self imposed ignorance and the goofy conspiracy theories about science so common among Christian Taliban.

sounds like you are the one with the conspiracy...goofy

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

And you're simply cutting and pasting the same nonsense you cut and pasted previously. You're just another pointless spammer.

the spammer is the one that keeps trolling babble about alien conspiracy every third post

Sorry, but I'm responding to your pointless cutting and pasting of goofy material that is not related to the thread and only intended to spam the topic with your endless, silly conspiracy theories.

 

[eots]

Still waiting for you to explain it in your own words. Cat got your tongue?

I can't imagine why you think I'd waste the time on an invincibly ignorant batshit crazy.

If you refuse to understand the clear explanations you've already had nor can explain what you can't understand about them then there's not much point further explaining the reality based world.

Perhaps you should look at faith based stories of the world, then you won't have to bother about demanding evidence based explanations you can't understand.

I'm sure you'll be happier in fantasy land where every question has the same easy to remember answer.

'YWHW done it', in case you were wondering.

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. You didn't know this? Huh.

not all of evolution is incorrect.. mutation is also claimed as a mechanism of evolution,.but its not

 

[eots]

sounds like you are the one with the conspiracy...goofy

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

And you're simply cutting and pasting the same nonsense you cut and pasted previously. You're just another pointless spammer.

the spammer is the one that keeps trolling babble about alien conspiracy every third post

Sorry, but I'm responding to your pointless cutting and pasting of goofy material that is not related to the thread and only intended to spam the topic with your endless, silly conspiracy theories.

endless conspiracies ?..wtf are on about you rambling repetitive cretin ?

 

[orogenicman]

I can't imagine why you think I'd waste the time on an invincibly ignorant batshit crazy.

If you refuse to understand the clear explanations you've already had nor can explain what you can't understand about them then there's not much point further explaining the reality based world.

Perhaps you should look at faith based stories of the world, then you won't have to bother about demanding evidence based explanations you can't understand.

I'm sure you'll be happier in fantasy land where every question has the same easy to remember answer.

'YWHW done it', in case you were wondering.

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. You didn't know this? Huh.

not all of evolution is incorrect.. mutation is also claimed as a mechanism of evolution,.but its not

If your family is a species of anteater, and one has a longer snout (a mutation) than the rest, it can reach further into the ant hill to reach more ants to eat. The longer snout confers an advantage over the rest, making it more likely to live long enough to reproduce. And it confers that advantage to its children. And so on and so forth. So for you to say mutation is not a mechanism of evolution but natural selection is demonstrates that you don't know what a mutation is and you don't know what natural selection is. But we knew that already. Right?

 

[Hollie]

It doesn't like that at all.

Now run along and find more space alien conspiracies to keep you entertained.

I have no space alien conspiracy..that was

And you're simply cutting and pasting the same nonsense you cut and pasted previously. You're just another pointless spammer.

the spammer is the one that keeps trolling babble about alien conspiracy every third post

Sorry, but I'm responding to your pointless cutting and pasting of goofy material that is not related to the thread and only intended to spam the topic with your endless, silly conspiracy theories.

endless conspiracies ?..wtf are on about you rambling repetitive cretin ?

I'm just reminding you of your propensity to spam this thread with your goofy conspiracy theories and that your cutting and pasting of the same material is pointless.

 

[Hollie]

I can't imagine why you think I'd waste the time on an invincibly ignorant batshit crazy.

If you refuse to understand the clear explanations you've already had nor can explain what you can't understand about them then there's not much point further explaining the reality based world.

Perhaps you should look at faith based stories of the world, then you won't have to bother about demanding evidence based explanations you can't understand.

I'm sure you'll be happier in fantasy land where every question has the same easy to remember answer.

'YWHW done it', in case you were wondering.

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. You didn't know this? Huh.

not all of evolution is incorrect.. mutation is also claimed as a mechanism of evolution,.but its not

Of course it is. Do you feel good about announcing your abysmal ignorance in a public message board?

 

[orogenicman]

This isn't evolution, but it is related to the abiotic theory of the origin of life. I include it here because it has been part of the discussion:

Proto-suns teeming with prebiotic molecules -- ScienceDaily

Summary:
Complex organic molecules such as formamide, from which sugars, amino acids and even nucleic acids essential for life can be made, already appear in the regions where stars similar to our Sun are born. Astrophysicists have detected this biomolecule in five protostellar clouds and propose that it forms on tiny dust grains.

One of science's greatest challenges is learning about the origin of life and its precursor molecules. Formamide (NH2CHO) is an excellent candidate for helping to search for answers as it contains four essential elements (nitrogen, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen), and can synthesise amino acids, carbohydrates, nucleic acids and other key compounds for living organisms.

However, this molecule is also abundant in space, mainly in molecular clouds or the concentrations of gas and dust where stars are born. This has been confirmed by an international team of researchers, including Spanish investigators, after searching for formamide in ten star-forming regions.

"We have detected formamide in five protosuns, which proves that this molecule (in all probability also true for our Solar System) is relatively abundant in molecular clouds and is formed in the very early stages of evolution towards a star and its planets," explains Ana López Sepulcre, lead author of the study and researcher at the University of Tokyo (Japan).

The other five objects where formamide has not been detected are less evolved and colder, "which indicates that a minimum temperature is needed for it to be detected in the gas," adds the scientist.

The study, which has just been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, also offers clues on how formamide could be created in interstellar conditions. "We propose that it is formed on the surface of the dust grains of the molecular clouds from isocyanic acid (HNCO), by a process of hydrogenation or addition of hydrogen atoms," says López Sepulcre.

"Formamide formed in this way remains attached to the dust grain until the temperature is high enough (in other words, until the protostar evolves) to cause its sublimation," she argues. "And that is when we can detect it with radio telescopes."

The researchers have achieved this thanks to a telescope measuring 30 m in diameter at the Institut de Radioastronomie Millimétrique (IRAM), located in the Sierra Nevada, as part of the framework of the international project Astrochemical Surveys At IRAM (ASAI). Its principal investigators are Bertrand Lefloch from the Institut de Planétologie et d'Astrophysique de Grenoble (CNRS, France) and Rafael Bachiller from the Observatorio Astronómico Nacional (IGN, Spain).

More organic molecules in space

Yet formamide is not the only potentially prebiotic organic molecule analysed in space. Just this month the detection of methyl cyanide (CH3CN) around the young star MWC 480, already in a protoplanetary stage, has been published in the journal 'Nature'.

"This other study demonstrates that complex molecules survive until the later stages of stellar formation, and even continue forming afterwards," López Sepulcre notes, but formamide does have some advantages: "It contains oxygen (another essential element for life) and is a strong candidate as a precursor of prebiotic material, as not only amino acids can be formed from it (which could also be synthesised from CH3CN), but also nucleic acids and bases, or rather genetic material."

"This proves the significance of our study," emphasises the researcher, who sums it up as: "formamide, a significant biomolecule, is already formed in regions where stars like our Sun are born in the very early stages and in relatively high amounts."


Story Source:

The above story is based on materials provided by Plataforma SINC. Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.

Journal Reference:

1. A. López-Sepulcre, Ali A. Jaber, E. Mendoza, B. Lefloch, C. Ceccarelli, C. Vastel, R. Bachiller, J. Cernicharo, C. Codella, C. Kahane, M. Kama, M. Tafalla. Shedding light on the formation of the pre-biotic molecule formamide with ASAI. Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, 2015 [link]

 

[eots]

 

[orogenicman]

Won't waste time giving me proof but you'll waste time responding to every one of my posts with name calling and adolescent put downs? You do know other people are reading your posts, right?

Yes indeed, others are reading this. And he's right. You people wouldn't know evidence if it bit you in the arse. And the fact is, evidence isn't what you people want. What you people want is to spam science forums like this one with your scam queries about "evidence" that you don't actually give a shite about. Seems you can't argue the evidence, and so this is all you can manage with your weak minds. My advice? Take a pill. And get some therapy.

• 
  I don't think I'm misrepresenting Evolution by saying that it is randomness and accidental. That's all you guys leave us to conclude, since you don't allow God or some higher intelligence to be involved.

There is nothing about random and accidental about a nut with a soft shell developing a harder shell as a result of predation.

Scientists don't throw up their hands in frustration and proclaim "god did it" because such a tautology doesn't explain anything. That is something we leave to the faithful, and as we all know, faith is a belief in something not in evidence.

natural selection not evolution

Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. You didn't know this? Huh.

not all of evolution is incorrect.. mutation is also claimed as a mechanism of evolution,.but its not

If your family is a species of anteater, and one has a longer snout (a mutation) than the rest, it can reach further into the ant hill to reach more ants to eat. The longer snout confers an advantage over the rest, making it more likely to live long enough to reproduce. And it confers that advantage to its children. And so on and so forth. So for you to say mutation is not a mechanism of evolution but natural selection is demonstrates that you don't know what a mutation is and you don't know what natural selection is. But we knew that already. Right?

Or it could just mean that one of your family members (I won't name names) lies a lot, and so has Pinocchio syndrome.

 

[orogenicman]

View attachment 39847

Do you know what can act (and has been shown to act) as a primitive cell wall and is very common on Earth?