Where do you stand on State succession?

[thanatos144]

More power should be given to the states.
And if the power is already there the Federal government needs to back off.

Agreed

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[thanatos144]

Anyone wants to seceed, please do. Bye! I'll miss you. take your bullshit with you and anything you want to carry - all debts are forgiven. We will even continue your medicade for the next 20 years.

Not kidding - this is a great idea. Once you're gone, though, you stay gone.

No coming back ... ever.

Now, GTFO.

Except those leaving would be the paying the taxes. ... where does that you in your liberal utopia?

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[The T]

More power should be given to the states.
And if the power is already there the Federal government needs to back off.

Yes. They tend to overstep their bounds and forget the Constitution.

 

[The T]

I 100% support "state succession". I'd love to see all our states succeed and do well.

But "secession"? Not, I'm not for that.

And thankfully, the trend is right wingers who don't know the difference wont be elected much in the future.

Did it ever occur to YOU that the STATES and THE PEOPLE are their own sovereigns?

That is just WAY too originalist.

And it hasn't changed...Learn it, Know it, LIVE IT.

 

[kaz]

That's the point

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I think it's hilarious how liberals show what trolls you are by endlessly harping on spelling. Your ideas are inane, illogical and unsupported by empirical data. So when someone hands you a spelling mistake to go after, you go back to the well over and over so you can deflect from how inane what you think is and how stupid you look every time you defend it.

OK, you got me in a spelling mistake. Wow, OMG, now I get why we need Marxism. You won, it's over. I can no longer support liberty or freedom because I spelled a word wrong. Are you happy now?

Not liberal. Nor does not wanting to start another civil war like certain spoiled children make me one

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The question is where do you stand on State secession, it is not what price would you pay or do you favor a civil war to get it. If you are asking me if I would favor a civil war to get it, ask me that question, don't assume what was not stated.

 

[natstew]

The Declaration Of Independence makes it obvious that our Founding Fathers saw the right to secede as one of the rights endowed to us by our Creator, actually our duty when it's seen as the last resort.

You cannot support the American Revolution and deny States their Right to secede. It's like an oxymoron.

 

[O.R.I.O.N]

Not only would I move but I would fight for ANY state that wanted to secede even if I didn't agree with them politically...get one to secede the rest will fall like domino's.

 

[thanatos144]

I think it's hilarious how liberals show what trolls you are by endlessly harping on spelling. Your ideas are inane, illogical and unsupported by empirical data. So when someone hands you a spelling mistake to go after, you go back to the well over and over so you can deflect from how inane what you think is and how stupid you look every time you defend it.

OK, you got me in a spelling mistake. Wow, OMG, now I get why we need Marxism. You won, it's over. I can no longer support liberty or freedom because I spelled a word wrong. Are you happy now?

Not liberal. Nor does not wanting to start another civil war like certain spoiled children make me one

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The question is where do you stand on State secession, it is not what price would you pay or do you favor a civil war to get it. If you are asking me if I would favor a civil war to get it, ask me that question, don't assume what was not stated.

Did you think the founders didn't know the Declaration of Independance would start a war? You cannot peacefully secede. This country is not so far gone that a war should be started by lazy potheads who don't want to use the constitution to fix the issues.


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[Procrustes Stretched]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

you've finally come out as a nutter?

Socialism? As in social security?

Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Declaration Of Independence makes it obvious that our Founding Fathers saw the right to secede as one of the rights endowed to us by our Creator, actually our duty when it's seen as the last resort.

You cannot support the American Revolution and deny States their Right to secede. It's like an oxymoron.

more perfect union?

good gawd you people are dense and moronic when it comes to constitutional issues, history, interpretation, and truths.

 

[kaz]

Not liberal. Nor does not wanting to start another civil war like certain spoiled children make me one

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The question is where do you stand on State secession, it is not what price would you pay or do you favor a civil war to get it. If you are asking me if I would favor a civil war to get it, ask me that question, don't assume what was not stated.

Did you think the founders didn't know the Declaration of Independance would start a war? You cannot peacefully secede. This country is not so far gone that a war should be started by lazy potheads who don't want to use the constitution to fix the issues.


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Do you have any comments on anything I said or are you just going to continue to debate the voices in your head?

 

[kaz]

Not liberal. Nor does not wanting to start another civil war like certain spoiled children make me one

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The question is where do you stand on State secession, it is not what price would you pay or do you favor a civil war to get it. If you are asking me if I would favor a civil war to get it, ask me that question, don't assume what was not stated.

Did you think the founders didn't know the Declaration of Independance would start a war? You cannot peacefully secede. This country is not so far gone that a war should be started by lazy potheads who don't want to use the constitution to fix the issues.


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If you read the OP, who is me, my point was that I could once have never imagined supporting the United States splitting up. Now I would be in favor of it. That's what I discussed as the OP, that's what the poll asks, that's what I am discussing now.

I reject your rule that I can't discuss that because you have decided that the process would lead to civil war and you consider civil war unacceptable as the crap that it is.

If you want to discuss civil war, start a thread. That isn't what this one is about.

 

[kaz]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

you've finally come out as a nutter?

Socialism? As in social security?

Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

1) you've finally come out as a nutter?

- I haven't "finally come out" as anything. I have always advocated the same, small government policies. I consider your belief that government needs to run our lives and make our choices for us as the "nutter" position. We'll have to agree to disagree.

2) Socialism? As in social security?

- Yes, that's a great example of socialism. It's central economic planning and it makes every American dependent on government, not just the "needy." For that reason Social Security/Medicare and Obamacare are the singularly most evil programs perpetrated on the American people by their own government. I'm not sure what your point was.

3) Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

- Just a vacuous, authoritarian leftist talking point, no idea what it means. So let the red states go, we'll see who suffers and who prospers...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

The Founders rebelling against British rule is not the same thing as secession. It's similar in spirit, but not in law. The Constitution has no provision for secession, and the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled such efforts are unlawful.

It's a logistical nightmare imaging modern secession. Let's say some state did, do they give back all federal property and assets? Forgo military protection and federal law enforcement resources? The state would become a defacto 3rd world country overnight. And unless they have resources adequate to sutain themselves, what about food, water, and electricity? These are only a handfull of the issues they'd face.

Simple reality is this: anyone proposing secession is less mature than a child who threatens to run away from home by living in the backyard.

 

[Iceweasel]

Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

They wouldn't have to feed the liberal meccas so I don't share your belief.

 

[kaz]

The Constitution has no provision for secession

Right, which if you understand what our Constitution is means that secession is Constitutional. Our Constitution cedes specific, enumerated powers to the Federal government. And then prohibits everything else to the Federal government. Which means stopping secession is not a Federal power and it's the right of States to do so.

It's also illogical to believe that the founders who wrote it believed that they had the right to withdraw from a tyrannical government in London but we don't have the right to withdraw from a tyrannical government in Washington DC.

It's a logistical nightmare imaging modern secession. Let's say some state did, do they give back all federal property and assets? Forgo military protection and federal law enforcement resources? The state would become a defacto 3rd world country overnight. And unless they have resources adequate to sutain themselves, what about food, water, and electricity? These are only a handfull of the issues they'd face

The US is 5% the world's population and over 1/4 the world's economy. Obviously we could support being two countries, this is just babble.

Simple reality is this: anyone proposing secession is less mature than a child who threatens to run away from home by living in the backyard.

Funny how you keep telling us reds how you blues would be so much better of without us, then you're so hysterical at the thought of our leaving...

We'd be way, way better off without you and your greedy, hate filled intolerant comrades.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

you've finally come out as a nutter?

Socialism? As in social security?

Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

1) you've finally come out as a nutter?

- I haven't "finally come out" as anything. I have always advocated the same, small government policies. I consider your belief that government needs to run our lives and make our choices for us as the "nutter" position. We'll have to agree to disagree.

2) Socialism? As in social security?

- Yes, that's a great example of socialism. It's central economic planning and it makes every American dependent on government, not just the "needy." For that reason Social Security/Medicare and Obamacare are the singularly most evil programs perpetrated on the American people by their own government. I'm not sure what your point was.

3) Most states you'd like couldn't afford to exist without federal subsidies

- Just a vacuous, authoritarian leftist talking point, no idea what it means. So let the red states go, we'll see who suffers and who prospers...

You throw around labels so easily you should start a merchandising labeling factory

1) Dante never said he'd desire or support government running our lives

2) One size fits all negativity

3) There are really no red states. Each of the states you think of have many Democrats and over time state populations swing

 

[LeftofLeft]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

State Secession.....we heard it when Bush was President. Vermont threatened and maybe a few others. Under Obama, we have heard it as well. Never heard it under Clinton or Reagan......through we did hear many individuals threaten to leave the US.

Need to have a candidate that is a true uniter, not a divider. Need a candidate that will stay out of the bedroom and not care about same sexes marrying. Need a candidate that does not favor corporate cronies and environmentalists whose main mission is to necessarily punish US before establishing proven alternative energy. Need a candidate the is equally committed to keeping the Bible, Torah, and Quoran out of the State. Need a Candidate that pursues healing instead of inflammation during moments of racial tension.

 

[Iceweasel]

Need to have a candidate that is a true uniter, not a divider. Need a candidate that will stay out of the bedroom and not care about same sexes marrying. Need a candidate that does not favor corporate cronies and environmentalists whose main mission is to necessarily punish US before establishing proven alternative energy. Need a candidate the is equally committed to keeping the Bible, Torah, and Quoran out of the State. Need a Candidate that pursues healing instead of inflammation during moments of racial tension.

Obama ran on all that and it hasn't worked out so well. We need a candidate with some real world experience, not a mouth piece career goverment drone. We need a businessman/woman that knows that economies are based on business, not rhetoric or ideology.

 

[DiamondDave]

I support people who think a state should secede from the United States, gather up their belongings and leave the United States.

Just like a government owns everything collectivist