Zone1 Where do you stand on facial recognition?

[frigidweirdo]

Woman wanted for more than 20 years arrested in live facial recognition pilot

The 36-year-old was among 173 suspects arrested in Croydon in a six-month period.

uk.yahoo.com

Due to the use of facial recognition by the police in one part of London "The Metropolitan Police said that crime in the area reduced by 10.5% during the trial, which took place between October 2025 and March 2026, including a 21% reduction in violence against women and girls."

So obviously there's the freedom issue here. Using facial recognition could be used for nefarious means. The police in the US are less trustworthy than the UK police.

On the other hand, it's good for reducing crime.

Which is more important to you?

 

[Oddball]

The same way I feel about firearms: they're a useful tool that can be misused and abused.

In the hands of gubmint, there's absolutely zero chance that they won't be misused and abused.

 

[Concerned American]

The same way I feel about firearms: they're a useful tool that can be misused and abused.

In the hands of gubmint, there's absolutely zero chance that they won't be misused and abused.

TSA and CBP already use facial recognition.

 

[Oddball]

TSA and CBP already use facial recognition.

TSA will be certain to abuse it, if they haven't already.

 

[Dekster]

Woman wanted for more than 20 years arrested in live facial recognition pilot

The 36-year-old was among 173 suspects arrested in Croydon in a six-month period.

uk.yahoo.com

Due to the use of facial recognition by the police in one part of London "The Metropolitan Police said that crime in the area reduced by 10.5% during the trial, which took place between October 2025 and March 2026, including a 21% reduction in violence against women and girls."

So obviously there's the freedom issue here. Using facial recognition could be used for nefarious means. The police in the US are less trustworthy than the UK police.

On the other hand, it's good for reducing crime.

Which is more important to you?

It's the new reality so might as well be fine with it. No point getting worked up about something we have no control over.

 

[JohnDB]

I dont know that theres much we can do to stop it....

It's coming with AI enhanced background databases on everyone.

Meaning....
You are being watched and tracked nonstop anymore. And it used to be you could just leave your cell phone at home to not be tracked.....not true anymore.

Live in areas without cameras....

 

[luiza]

Where do you stand on facial recognition?​

Usually there is a clear floor mark to make it easier for the subject and the photographer .

Obviously it is also better if the subject stands feet down and head up.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I still believe in the Constitution. I think it is (was?) the greatest government document ever imagined and created. It guaranteed the citizens of the USA a list of rights which (in most cases) were considered "God given." There are many good reasons why the Founders of the USA found it necessary to create such a document.

I think that the emergence of A.I. surveillance is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. I think it will be used against anyone who criticizes whomever is running the government at any given time.

A.I., coupled with drone technology, high tech microphones, and satellite imagery, will be able to peer into any home at any time for any reason. A.I. will be able to track our banking and buying transactions. It will be able to turn off your car for any reason. It will lead to a societal nightmare.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I still believe in the Constitution. I think it is (was?) the greatest government document ever imagined and created. It guaranteed the citizens of the USA a list of rights which (in most cases) were considered "God given." There are many good reasons why the Founders of the USA found it necessary to create such a document.

I think that the emergence of A.I. surveillance is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. I think it will be used against anyone who criticizes whomever is running the government at any given time.

A.I., coupled with drone technology, high tech microphones, and satellite imagery, will be able to peer into any home at any time for any reason. A.I. will be able to track our banking and buying transactions. It will be able to turn off your car for any reason. It will lead to a societal nightmare.

Yes, the US Constitution was a ground breaking document of its time. Lots of countries have benefited from it, but it's way past its sell by date.

The 4th Amendment says people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects.

But the police have always been able to see a person on the street and arrest them without a warrant.

In their homes, they need a warrant. Security cameras with facial recognition aren't much different to a police on the street with a picture of a person, only more effective.

 

[luiza]

I still believe in the Constitution. I think it is (was?) the greatest government document ever imagined and created. It guaranteed the citizens of the USA a list of rights which (in most cases) were considered "God given." There are many good reasons why the Founders of the USA found it necessary to create such a document.

I think that the emergence of A.I. surveillance is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. I think it will be used against anyone who criticizes whomever is running the government at any given time.

A.I., coupled with drone technology, high tech microphones, and satellite imagery, will be able to peer into any home at any time for any reason. A.I. will be able to track our banking and buying transactions. It will be able to turn off your car for any reason. It will lead to a societal nightmare.

I hear everything that you reference and understand the concerns .

BUT --- as ever .
Try to imagine matters in 50 years , say .
Now you may very well have entirely new social"Norms" where full honesty and transparency are considered to be desirable and good .
And secrecy judged to be Selfish , Dishonest and Bad.

Then people looking back might regard all of your concerns as selfish and lacking honesty .
And to some extent private individual minds might be something from a regrettable past and a Hive mind preference might be emerging .
Or have even been fully accepted .

With a stretch of imagination , you can even see awkward things like this Chat site being a very rudimentary stutter toward creating a Hive Mind .

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yes, the US Constitution was a ground breaking document of its time. Lots of countries have benefited from it, but it's way past its sell by date.

The 4th Amendment says people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects.

But the police have always been able to see a person on the street and arrest them without a warrant.

In their homes, they need a warrant. Security cameras with facial recognition aren't much different to a police on the street with a picture of a person, only more effective.

People in their cars, though, is a different subject. I believe there are laws on the books (at least in most States) that consider a person's car and extension of their home.

In any case, I consider all these A.I. devises as intrusive and in many cases a violation of our right to privacy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

People in their cars, though, is a different subject. I believe there are laws on the books (at least in most States) that consider a person's car and extension of their home.

In any case, I consider all these A.I. devises as intrusive and in many cases a violation of our right to privacy.

Maybe. But isn't a criminal stealing from you, going into your home, an invasion of your privacy too?

 

[SaxonJackson]

I hear everything that you reference and understand the concerns .

BUT --- as ever .
Try to imagine matters in 50 years , say .
Now you may very well have entirely new social"Norms" where full honesty and transparency are considered to be desirable and good .
And secrecy judged to be Selfish , Dishonest and Bad.

Then people looking back might regard all of your concerns as selfish and lacking honesty .
And to some extent private individual minds might be something from a regrettable past and a Hive mind preference might be emerging .
Or have even been fully accepted .

With a stretch of imagination , you can even see awkward things like this Chat site being a very rudimentary stutter toward creating a Hive Mind .

It will all boil down to total control. You will live in a "smart city." You will drive an electric golf cart that can be shut off on a whim. You will be allotted a certain amount of money. You will have to eat tofu and bugs. You will NOT own a gun. You may not think for yourself.

We're rapidly moving towards a 1984 scenario. And we already know that the wrong people will control the show.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Maybe. But isn't a criminal stealing from you, going into your home, an invasion of your privacy too?

That's where my trusty 12GA comes in handy.

But the fact that you equate someone invading my privacy to criminal behavior sort of makes my point.

 

[luiza]

We're rapidly moving towards a 1984 scenario. And we already know that the wrong people will control the show.

That is the only problem area .

But I even have a solution for that huge area of concern .
However and unfortunately a bit too cutting edge / strange for this basic chat site .
If I suggest that solutions will flow out after Disclosure has occurred , you will understand the type of answers even if you regard them as likely premature and a lot to believe in .

So let's see . The next few months literally may be very illuminating .

 

[alang1216]

Woman wanted for more than 20 years arrested in live facial recognition pilot

The 36-year-old was among 173 suspects arrested in Croydon in a six-month period.

uk.yahoo.com

Due to the use of facial recognition by the police in one part of London "The Metropolitan Police said that crime in the area reduced by 10.5% during the trial, which took place between October 2025 and March 2026, including a 21% reduction in violence against women and girls."

So obviously there's the freedom issue here. Using facial recognition could be used for nefarious means. The police in the US are less trustworthy than the UK police.

On the other hand, it's good for reducing crime.

Which is more important to you?

I like being safe but I think we need national standards on how, when, and where it can be used. It will be abused but most such abuse will come out eventually.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That's where my trusty 12GA comes in handy.

But the fact that you equate someone invading my privacy to criminal behavior sort of makes my point.

The biggest problem the US has is people thinking their guns will save them.

The problem is the rich control politics and basically do whatever they want anyway, and your guns aren't stopping that.

It's a dangerous game.

The best defense would be a better electoral system with better politicians.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I like being safe but I think we need national standards on how, when, and where it can be used. It will be abused but most such abuse will come out eventually.

Do you want criminals to be caught?

I agree that data from facial recognition should not be kept, and facial recognition should not be used to get people who are not wanted criminals.

Whether someone is a wanted criminal, I'd have thought, would be the issue here. Trump making someone a wanted criminal because they said something he doesn't like is a far bigger issue than the police going after wanted criminals with facial recognition, don't you think?

 

[SaxonJackson]

The biggest problem the US has is people thinking their guns will save them.

The problem is the rich control politics and basically do whatever they want anyway, and your guns aren't stopping that.

It's a dangerous game.

The best defense would be a better electoral system with better politicians.

Our Constitutional Republic is in a rapid state of decay. Sooner or later, Americans are going to have to face the fact that they'll be 100% under government control while the election system and the Constitution will become distant dreams.

 

[Concerned American]

People in their cars, though, is a different subject. I believe there are laws on the books (at least in most States) that consider a person's car and extension of their home.

In any case, I consider all these A.I. devises as intrusive and in many cases a violation of our right to privacy.

Sure, that's why they have red-light cameras and cameras on state lines. LOL, if they want to, they can see you as you type on your phone or computer---unless you cover the camera.